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No way that is staying in the game. If it is, I am sure it has changed.

I'm sure it will be modified especially given some of the new wargear we've heard about. The 2+ was not permanent, once you failed even 1 hit you lost the entire save. However, I've rarely had an Archon die when I use it.

Rymafyr wrote:I'm sure it will be modified especially given some of the new wargear we've heard about. The 2+ was not permanent, once you failed even 1 hit you lost the entire save. However, I've rarely had an Archon die when I use it.

thought it might get nerfed in the new dex to +3 or +4 and not limited to one per army

Last I heard it had stayed the same, as it is one of the defining items.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Last I heard it had stayed the same, as it is one of the defining items.

If that is true then an Archon with shadow field, the sword and cube is going to be one of the most deadly models in-game hands down. Archons were tough even in the old book as with Combat 'enhancers' you could get about 7 attacks on a charge using a power weapon.

Rymafyr wrote:I'm sure it will be modified especially given some of the new wargear we've heard about. The 2+ was not permanent, once you failed even 1 hit you lost the entire save. However, I've rarely had an Archon die when I use it.

I'm jealous. my Archon always failed the very first save he was ever called on to make. Lasgun--*pew*..... "AARRRGGH!!"
It's especially fun when you get hit by an auto cannon or a relic blade.

Pen≥Sword wrote:

Rymafyr wrote:I'm sure it will be modified especially given some of the new wargear we've heard about. The 2+ was not permanent, once you failed even 1 hit you lost the entire save. However, I've rarely had an Archon die when I use it.

I'm jealous. my Archon always failed the very first save he was ever called on to make. Lasgun--*pew*..... "AARRRGGH!!"
It's especially fun when you get hit by an auto cannon or a relic blade.

My Archon could survive currents of fire coming at him, battle cannons, las cannons, bolter fire, everything but one guardsmen butt to the head and hes dead.

No jetbike or skyboard option for non-sc IC

Sorry if this has been discussed earlier, but can anyone confirm this? Are there any characters that come with Jetbikes or Skyboards? Perhaps an IC upgrade in the Hellion or Reaver entry?

Trying to decide what to do with my Archon & Dracon on Reavers and Archon on Skyboard... hopefully they won't become totally irrelevant and can be used as a "counts as" something; just trying to figure out what.

Erasoketa wrote:

Defiler wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:I always consider Vect as being too expensive.

About the Archon:

Archon model has access to the Huskblade, which causes Instant Death on any model that suffers an unsaved wound, regardless of their Toughness

Ouch!
How much will this blade cost? About 50 to 60 pts?

30, and his soul trap pyramid (the strength doubler after he kills an IC/MC) costs like 20.

*From memory, from rumors

30+20+ another 50 if the Shadowfield hasn't changed? 160p for a really fully equipped Archon. Sounds painful.

yo ho ho ho, if these rumors are true doesn't look like i'll see much use for agonisers on my lord then.

So, my GW got the book in.

I am going tomorrow with a notepad.

I won't be posting any rules though. Mostly going to take notes for my FAQ.

Gwar! wrote:So, my GW got the book in.

I am going tomorrow with a notepad.

I won't be posting any rules though. Mostly going to take notes for my FAQ.

um...okay?

Gwar! you're such a tease...

Disappointed with the Lelith rules. Even with a mountain of attacks, her Str3 means she ain't killing much.

nickthewise wrote:Sorry if this has been discussed earlier, but can anyone confirm this? Are there any characters that come with Jetbikes or Skyboards? Perhaps an IC upgrade in the Hellion or Reaver entry?

Baron Whatsisname (a SC) does.


My (now informed) comments from memory:

I *think* that the kudos that Phil K. will receive for this codex will mirror what Jes received on the models. It's a dense, flavorful book with lots of great choices and options.

I apologize if any of this has been mentioned previously, but here's a few snippets.

WWP is in. Bearer drops it in the shooting phase. It then acts more or less like a board edge that you can bring reserves on. The WWP is indestructible once it's down...and in a change, cannot be used to bring on vehicles. Also, if you have a WWP you can always put things in reserves even if the mission doesn't allow.

Agonizer works as it did before.

The three types of Beastmaster beasts have different statlines, but the main differences is that one has an invulnerable save, one gets bonus attacks when wounded, and one has rending.

DE Warrior options:

One can have a shredder for a termagant or a blaster for 3 termagants. Also one per every 10 can have a splinter cannon for 2 termagants or a dark lance for 5 termagants. Unit leader can have (among other things) a venom blade (4+ poison?) for a termagant, a power weapon for two termagants, or an agonizer (same profile as before) for 4 termagants.

The dedicated transports section states that you can't purchase a ded. transport if the unit has more models than the transport carrying capacity. So no spamming raiders from 20-man Warrior squads.

Thanatos_elNyx wrote:Disappointed with the Lelith rules. Even with a mountain of attacks, her Str3 means she ain't killing much.

Doesn't she have a Poisoned weapon?

WWP could be fun. Drop near enemy base in capture and control, flood in grotesques and haemonculus. ENJOY!

This is sizing up to be a very fun, interesting codex. Everything seems appropriately priced. Am waiting with baited breath to get my hands on the damn codex to peruse the options. I'll wait for the fluff for when my own copy arrives.


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Gwar! wrote:Doesn't she have a Poisoned weapon?

Good question. Last gen, she had an Agonizer, but perhaps not this go 'round.

On the Haemi front, I checked out Wracks. I'm a little foggy, but I *think* they were S3, T4 with two poisoned weapons and about 2 termagants in price. They look pretty bada$$ in the artwork.

And speaking of artwork, Scourges have a TOTALLY new look. Think beaked helmets and actual feathered wings. They look like some kind of twisted, more organic Swooping Hawk.

Oh, and I noticed something.

In the new codex (if my info is right), Lelith doesn't use Combat Enhancers Drugs.

This is, I would imagine, a bit of an In Joke, since RaW she can't use Combat Drugs in the current codex (and the DE FAQ, while changing this, makes a note that she would be the only Wych ever to not use them).

I am sure GW have written them to be a good match against the other factions.

Gwar! wrote:Oh, and I noticed something.

In the new codex (if my info is right), Lelith doesn't use Combat Enhancers Drugs.

This is, I would imagine, a bit of an In Joke, since RaW she can't use Combat Drugs in the current codex (and the DE FAQ, while changing this, makes a note that she would be the only Wych ever to not use them).

Or it could simply be a way to differentiate her as a champion gladiator whose martial skills and discipline set her apart from her followers, who have to rely upon a cocktail of drugs and enhancements to even become a mere shadow of her.

Warboss Narznok wrote:I am sure GW have written them to be a good match against the other factions.

I tend to agree with Deadshane that at first glance they look to do a number on Tyranids. Plentiful poison and a decent amount of instant death means uh-oh for MCs. Not to mention Blasters, Heat Lances, Dark Lances, etc.

One can have a shredder for a termagant or a blaster for 3 termagants. Also one per every 10 can have a splinter cannon for 2 termagants or a dark lance for 5 termagants. Unit leader can have (among other things) a venom blade (4+ poison?) for a termagant, a power weapon for two termagants, or an agonizer (same profile as before) for 4 termagants.

Dammit, now I've got to go buy a box of Termagants just to build an army... talk about a way to increase sales!

They put feathers on Scourges?... I'm trying hard to picture this looking cool somehow, and it's not working.
As always, I'll reserve judgment until I see models, but I'm thinking bat wings would have been better.


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Gwar! wrote:Doesn't she have a Poisoned weapon?

Good question. Last gen, she had an Agonizer, but perhaps not this go 'round.

I bet she still does. I highly doubt they would make her use her S3 to wound.

Think of tattered raven wings, and it works alot better.

In fact, aren't groups of ravens sometimes referred to as "scourges"?
I know a group of crows is a "murder", but eh. Food for thought.

Well as an nid player i think that bone swords are worth it now more then every i mean, lash whip and bonesword on a prime is half the ponits of this husk blade although they have an easy way pasting i also reduc the I of the oppent so its seems like an equal trade but i thinking that with Archons being I7 and using huskblade=bye-bye methpsion(really sorry on spelling).

Kanluwen wrote:Think of tattered raven wings, and it works alot better.

In fact, aren't groups of ravens sometimes referred to as "scourges"?
I know a group of crows is a "murder", but eh. Food for thought.

An unkindness of ravens, actually. That's one of the better ones. Parliament of owls is another good one.

Back on topic, that's probably a good description. It's an aggressive look in the art. More Hawkman than angelic.

A CRASH! of Rhinos has always been my favorite.

BTW, shouldn't the model discussion go to the other DE thread?

gorgon wrote:One can have a shredder for a termagant or a blaster for 3 termagants. Also one per every 10 can have a splinter cannon for 2 termagants or a dark lance for 5 termagants. Unit leader can have (among other things) a venom blade (4+ poison?) for a termagant, a power weapon for two termagants, or an agonizer (same profile as before) for 4 termagants.

Oh Christ... this is so asinine. Can we just say the points value? It's not as if by saying "5 points" rather than "1 termagant" GW is suddenly going to descend from their Ivory Tower and sue us all. Let me re-post this so it's not a pain in the ass to read:

"One can have a shredder for 5 Points or a blaster for 15 Points. Also one per every 10 can have a splinter cannon for 10 Points or a dark lance for 25 Points. Unit leader can have (among other things) a venom blade (4+ poison?) for 5 Points, a power weapon for 10 Points, or an agonizer (same profile as before) for 20 Points."

Is that so difficult?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

gorgon wrote:One can have a shredder for a termagant or a blaster for 3 termagants. Also one per every 10 can have a splinter cannon for 2 termagants or a dark lance for 5 termagants. Unit leader can have (among other things) a venom blade (4+ poison?) for a termagant, a power weapon for two termagants, or an agonizer (same profile as before) for 4 termagants.

Oh Christ... this is so asinine. Can we just say the points value? It's not as if by saying "5 points" rather than "1 termagant" GW is suddenly going to descend from their Ivory Tower and sue us all. Let me re-post this so it's not a pain in the ass to read:

"One can have a shredder for 5 Points or a blaster for 15 Points. Also one per every 10 can have a splinter cannon for 10 Points or a dark lance for 25 Points. Unit leader can have (among other things) a venom blade (4+ poison?) for 5 Points, a power weapon for 10 Points, or an agonizer (same profile as before) for 20 Points."

Is that so difficult?

Thank you

Hats off to you H.B.M.C.