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When it comes to the troops provided for the AM, its 10%. It does not have to be the top 10, just 1 in 10. I'm sure some governors provide the bottom 10% at times to get rid of the troublesome.

zamerion wrote:
In the next month (at the end of the june WD) nothing about kill team :(

More AoS and blood bowl.

Huh, wild. I guess they are actually doing a proper release as all the news from the games Expo said they'd start talking about it on Community this month. I very much figured it would be "here's a book and a push fit terrain kit, and we'll give you a boxed set sometime this year." Also nice to hear we might get those Dark Elves in July.

They have Age of Sigmar coming out this month and Adeptus Titanicus in August. Anyone that thought this was coming out in July was kidding themselves.

 Zethnar wrote:
They have Age of Sigmar coming out this month and Adeptus Titanicus in August. Anyone that thought this was coming out in July was kidding themselves.

Studio said we'll start seeing stuff in 2-3 weeks a week ago, so we'll see.

They said we'd start seeing information in 2-3 weeks, nothing about actual product releases. It could very well be that we aren't going to see anything until Rogue Trader drops later this year (in fact that would be my guess that Rogue Trader is some kind of introductory product and we'll see a core rulebook come out either at the same time or a month or two after).

GW are very much not going to drop 3 core products within a 2 month period, doing so would be insanity.

Didn't it look like different terrain in the kill team vs. kill team rogue trader? I think the basic kill team would come first.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
Didn't it look like different terrain in the kill team vs. kill team rogue trader? I think the basic kill team would come first.

There will be new ruins, but has there been any word on a starter set that includes them?

My impression is that it's going to be the other way around. Rogue Trader provides a complete Kill Team game out of the box using the floor plans, and if you want to use the 3D rules they'll handily release new terrain kits to go with that. Similar setup to Necromunda.

 Zethnar wrote:
They said we'd start seeing information in 2-3 weeks, nothing about actual product releases. It could very well be that we aren't going to see anything until Rogue Trader drops later this year (in fact that would be my guess that Rogue Trader is some kind of introductory product and we'll see a core rulebook come out either at the same time or a month or two after).

GW are very much not going to drop 3 core products within a 2 month period, doing so would be insanity.

I talked to a guy who already read the KT book. He didn't tell me anything, just that it was good (but he works for GW and likes basically everything they do, so it doesn't mean much).
But he usually doesn't get the final product until very late in the development process, so I definitely think it's coming out this summer.

From spikybits:

New Orks August/September, then wolves following shortly. genestealers around the new year. Sisters Q3 2019 and thats 50/50.

Now today we’re hearing from anonymous industry experts on the retailer side of things that there may be something planned for 40k this July that won’t really interfere with either of the big summer tournaments:


Skirmish is back for 40k with expansions like Shadespire. But on 2×2 table mats with terrain, with eventual new model support. GW plans for it to be as big as shadespire was that they were not prepared for.

For Orks and Space Wolves it's almost confirmed (same source as everything right so far, Idoneht, DOK, AOS2, etc.)

Kill Team was indeed rumored for July since April / May.

That's new for GSC (also with the recent Aberrant teaser and Rumor engine).

I can't wait for KT and Rogue Trader (which would be the *eventual new model support"....)

The interesting part of the rumor are the expansions and above all that they want to give it a lot of support.

Maybe rogue trader is only the first of a lot of expansions

I really, really hope that Kill Team isn't going to be a Shadespire-esque affair, that's completely the opposite of what I want out of it. Hopefully this is just arse-pull nonsense.

#NoCards

All rulebook based please.

I think that the rumor mentions shadespire as example of support and continuity.. not as a game system..

#Ihope

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Gangers aren't street hoodlums, as said- they're pretty much 'house militia'.

I'm not seeing how this is some huge earth-shattering difference. A militiaman, a veteran street thug, a "weekend warrior" PDF soldier, none stack up against trained, professional soldiers, who are the top 10% of those groups tithed away and given extensive additional training, reliable equipment, and unless they're a fresh founding experience fighting genuine existential horrors. A Space Marine is the equivalent of the top 1% of the latter group plus ancient genetic science, powered armour, terror weaponry, and potentially centuries of experience.

'Militia' doesn't mean he's drilling on the weekend, it doesn't mean they're incompetent wannabes. It's more in line with an actual noble house having their own private military. Considering Necromunda's a brutal place, I'd chance it to say that within a short time some of the gangers could easily serve as not only Guardsmen, but Veterans. I'm not going to say all warfare is equal, but... well, let's just say if I had a choice between enlisted hive gangers and an agri-world regiment, going in to clear a hive or forge world... the farmers aren't my pick.

You've got to remember, we also have Imperial Guardsmen that fight using tactics similar to the formation battles of the 1700's.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Gangers aren't street hoodlums, as said- they're pretty much 'house militia'.

I'm not seeing how this is some huge earth-shattering difference. A militiaman, a veteran street thug, a "weekend warrior" PDF soldier, none stack up against trained, professional soldiers, who are the top 10% of those groups tithed away and given extensive additional training, reliable equipment, and unless they're a fresh founding experience fighting genuine existential horrors. A Space Marine is the equivalent of the top 1% of the latter group plus ancient genetic science, powered armour, terror weaponry, and potentially centuries of experience.

'Militia' doesn't mean he's drilling on the weekend, it doesn't mean they're incompetent wannabes. It's more in line with an actual noble house having their own private military. Considering Necromunda's a brutal place, I'd chance it to say that within a short time some of the gangers could easily serve as not only Guardsmen, but Veterans. I'm not going to say all warfare is equal, but... well, let's just say if I had a choice between enlisted hive gangers and an agri-world regiment, going in to clear a hive or forge world... the farmers aren't my pick.

You've got to remember, we also have Imperial Guardsmen that fight using tactics similar to the formation battles of the 1700's.

Unless the farmers are these guys

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Athonian_Tunnel_Rats

Some hive gangers are street hoodlums, but some are better than that and act as the Houses' militia. There's no one "level" of house gang. Most of the ones we've seen - the ones you play out in Necromunda - are lower-level gangs. They're in the Underhive because that's a dumping ground for excess population and a pressure valve for conflict and stress. The betterones get called back to the hive city to get a "proper" job (there's an example of a House Escher "Queensguard"-pattern autogun, for example).

News of playing on 2x2 mats does sound nice, doesn't take up too much space and if it plays fast enough, Lunch Hammer will make a return.

 BrookM wrote:
News of playing on 2x2 mats does sound nice, doesn't take up too much space and if it plays fast enough, Lunch Hammer will make a return.

I think I'll consider it "rumors of playing on 2x2" a little longer. That seems a little cramped to me.

 Geifer wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
News of playing on 2x2 mats does sound nice, doesn't take up too much space and if it plays fast enough, Lunch Hammer will make a return.

I think I'll consider it "rumors of playing on 2x2" a little longer. That seems a little cramped to me.

I expect it is 2x2 x 2x2 (4 boards), but seeing some of the newer games, maybe not.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:


'Militia' doesn't mean he's drilling on the weekend, it doesn't mean they're incompetent wannabes. It's more in line with an actual noble house having their own private military. Considering Necromunda's a brutal place, I'd chance it to say that within a short time some of the gangers could easily serve as not only Guardsmen, but Veterans. I'm not going to say all warfare is equal, but... well, let's just say if I had a choice between enlisted hive gangers and an agri-world regiment, going in to clear a hive or forge world... the farmers aren't my pick.

Yeah, but when they have to fight outside a hive or forge the fact that half your troops are curled in a ball with crippling agoraphobia won't help your cause. Bring out the farm boys...

 Skinnereal wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
News of playing on 2x2 mats does sound nice, doesn't take up too much space and if it plays fast enough, Lunch Hammer will make a return.

I think I'll consider it "rumors of playing on 2x2" a little longer. That seems a little cramped to me.

I expect it is 2x2 x 2x2 (4 boards), but seeing some of the newer games, maybe not.

It's certainly the easiest one to guess considering GW sells very specific sized Realm of Battle tiles and may want to push them with the release of Kill Team. It's a big part or why I'm wary of the 2x2 rumor. That's another easy guess as long as you base it on the tiles alone and disregard the gameplay implications.

id be extremely surprised if its played on 2x2, im imagining 4x4 like Necromunda and previous smaller scale 40k games.

The wait is killing me.....

 Graphite wrote:
Yeah, but when they have to fight outside a hive or forge the fact that half your troops are curled in a ball with crippling agoraphobia won't help your cause. Bring out the farm boys...

That is true. There's Soldiers trained for everything.

All the point I'm trying to make is that they could be converted over. We're talking GW's "Fluff vs. Crunch" again, where a Space Marine is an unstoppable killing machine with the strength of a dozen men... that also gets killed by a guardsman with a bayonet in the actual game. Game is gonna game, fluff's gonna do its own thing.

I hope we get some actual news or rumors for this soon. The relative quality of gangers etc isn't as exciting.

 Eldarain wrote:
I hope we get some actual news or rumors for this soon. The relative quality of gangers etc isn't as exciting.

Hopefully we will. But AoS 2.0 is the big thing right now, so they're going to ride that wave out. I'd say we should get some news by July.

The sooner it drops the happier I'll be.

These July release rumours are sounding a bit fishy to me, as my local manager vehemently denied it was getting released anytime soon

 Rolsheen wrote:
These July release rumours are sounding a bit fishy to me, as my local manager vehemently denied it was getting released anytime soon

Your local manager probably knows less about what's coming up than you do, given GW takes a very "treat 'em like mushrooms" approach to their own staff. That said, it is seeming fairly unlikely unless we're going to go back to the concept that Kill Team is its own thing more on the scale of Shadow War(ie, a one-off book mainly designed to help push the terrain kits coming out with it), while the whole Rogue Trader/"40K Shadespire" thing is an entirely separate product line and the actual proper "big deal" release, in which case them chucking KT out on one weekend during the glut of AoS 2.0 material to keep 40K people on the line isn't implausible.

 Geifer wrote:
I think I'll consider it "rumors of playing on 2x2" a little longer. That seems a little cramped to me.

Agreed, but 4x4 sounds just right .