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**Spidey0804**

Im thinking of adding a 10 man Dominions squad with 5 flamers so that I would have 3 Dom squads.

**Zefig**

Can it be that sisters are actually getting a break? I didn't see them on the price-increase-list, unless ctrl+f managed to miss them entirely. Assuming the list is correct and complete, immolators could actually end up CHEAPER than rhinos.

Or strike one up for wishful thinking, as on the other hand, they might have just left sisters off the list to retailers since retailers don't stock sisters.

Which is sad.

**Spidey0804**

Sad for who?... Sounds good the me LOL...

**pretre**

Sad that they are direct only, is what I think he is saying. Let's keep the price increase out of this thread though, please.

@Spidey, the 5 flamer squad is pretty nasty.

**Spidey0804**

They would have to have a Sim. That squad needs to be able to wipe anything it hits every time.

**pretre**

Unfortunately, SIM doesn't really mean it will go off, but yeah. And now you're getting waaaay spendy.

**Spidey0804**

LOL Pretre you know me I dont mind spending the points when I think it will pay off. I think this squad could easily make back any points I spend on it.

**Amerikon**

Spidey0804 wrote:LOL Pretre you know me I dont mind spending the points when I think it will pay off. I think this squad could easily make back any points I spend on it.

I think a Simulacrum is worth it in a full size Dominion squad. Nothing's guaranteed, but at 4+ you've got a 75% shot and at 3+ it's almost 90%. When you've got 200pts riding on the outcome of that roll, an extra 20pts is a sound investment for a second chance. My question though, is what will you drop to add the Doms?

**Jancoran**

simulacrum in full squad = win

**Spidey0804**

I think I would base this list around the Dominions. With maybe double conclaves and going with 4 BSS.

**pretre**

Spidey0804 wrote:I think I would base this list around the Dominions. With maybe double conclaves and going with 4 BSS.

We still talking 1750 or did we move to 2k?

**Spidey0804**

No its still at 1750.

**Amerikon**

Spidey0804 wrote:No its still at 1750.

Something's going to have to give then. Your other list with the PEs, Repentia, and Seraphim taken out, adding a second conclave, a flamer Dom squad, and a 4th BSS comes to right around 2000 pts.

You could get almost exactly 1750 by dropping the second Conclave.

**pretre**

I think he's talking a new list with 3 Doms, 4 BSS and 2 Conclaves. Presumably with some rets and PEs to back it up or something.

**Jancoran**

Just remember which horse got you there. You're facing less as well as deploying less, so structurally if what you're doing is working, try to keep it as close to that as possible. Bells and whistles may have to go but if the structure works for your strategies, I say go with that and just find the wargear and fat. Dont entirely abandon the form of the army if its working.

**Spidey0804**

Jancoran wrote:Just remember which horse got you there. You're facing less as well as deploying less, so structurally if what you're doing is working, try to keep it as close to that as possible. Bells and whistles may have to go but if the structure works for your strategies, I say go with that and just find the wargear and fat. Dont entirely abandon the form of the army if its working.

Your exactly right... However I was looking at a quazi foot list last night. 3x (20) Bss wtih TW-LK MM Immoloator attached, 3x(6) man Repentia squad and Uriah and Kyrninov.

Low KP think its 11 total and the Troops are then worth 400 plus points when you attach the Immolator to it. In Nova style I only need 1 sole to survive to get the full 400 points for table quarter missions.

Im thinking I might reserve one or two of the BSS squads and put Uriah and Kyrniov in the 1 to start out with. If I even attempt it.

OK this is a Rules question..... So if I bought the Immolators for the BSS as a dedicated transport when I roll for reserves would I roll 1 time seeing as it is 1 unit? or would I have to roll for the Immolator and the BSS since a Combat squaded unit of space marines is rolled for 1 time and guard blob units are considered 1 unit. I would roll for them 1 time if they were in the Immolator It just would make scene that it all comes in at the same time. Anyways the reason I ask because I have never used this configuration before.

**calypso2ts**

The Immolator is a separate unit from the squad it is bought for. If you do not embark a squad into the Immolator, and reserve both, you need to roll for them seperately.

**pretre**

Second c2ts's point.

**Spidey0804**

calypso2ts wrote:The Immolator is a separate unit from the squad it is bought for. If you do not embark a squad into the Immolator, and reserve both, you need to roll for them seperately.

Ok so I can put the BSS in Reserve and not the Vehicle than. Like I said before I ussally dont play with squads that are split up like this.

**calypso2ts**

You can do that - nothing requires you to embark in a transport and unlike an IG Platoon or a SM Combat Squad, the BSS and Immolator are never considered to be a single unit.

**Spidey0804**

Except for purchasing the vehicle for the unit.

**pretre**

Even then they aren't considered one unit; they are considered one choice.

**Spidey0804**

Ok maybe your misunderstanding the Question/ Statement. Because the Vehicle is purchased for the Unit the cost/points goes into the "Troop" category this then take the cost of the entire unit up.

An due to the fact that I purchased the Immolator for the BSS Squad the cost is added into their total. So if everything is destroy except 1 sister it still counts as having 100% of the unit in the quarter including the cost of the vehicle because the vehicle could not have been purchased if it wasn't for the Unit.

**calypso2ts**

The vehicle does not count towards having a 'cost' in a table quarter unless it is actually in the table quarter (and alive at the end of the game). --A single sister being present from the unit that unlocked it as a dedicated transport is insufficient.

In your example, most times you would only get 50% of the unit for totaling victory points in a table quarter because the unit is below half strength.

**Spidey0804**

Nova Format isn't like that.

**calypso2ts**

Just checked it, you are referencing the bias for Nova built into the existing VP rules which is:

SCORING units count as worth their full VP value regardless of damage sustained

I was not aware you were talking specifically to Nova. That said, you do not get credit for the transport taken with the BSS squad for determining their VP contribution to a table quarter.

**pretre**

Yeah, the transport doesn't count to that at all.

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c2ts has my full confidence on this matter as I keep just echoing him. lol

**Lucre**

Spidey0804 wrote:Im thinking of adding a 10 man Dominions squad with 5 flamers so that I would have 3 Dom squads.

My problem with this, is it doesn't have it's own reliable tank popper. It requires working in conjuction with something. Where as I like anything that makes your units feel like less of throwaway or helps allow more breadth than suicide alpha strike tactics, I don't like how it lumps a couple of your units together to constrict your number of actions. I can see it rolling up with a melta dominion squad with an immolator, hurting 2 transports and then your fire starters would play top hatch games or hop out for some bbq action. That might be good.

Times like these, I really wish the repressor was legal, or that sister superior upgrades were better. You know, I think I'd go out and buy an army of sisters if the repressor were legal, and the cononness had a couple of upgrades that called domina or celestial that allowed her to join up/be beneficial to those squads and their USR.

**Jancoran**

This is in the BRB by the way, in the side bart on dedicated vehicles and in the missions section

**Spidey0804**

Here it is, the only thing Im not sure about is the 2 heavy flamer Immolators and whether I should make them HBs

1750 Pts -Sisters of Battle Nova GT Invitational Qualifier

HQ: Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith

Battle Conclave (9)
Crusader (4) Death Cult Assassin (5)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10) Storm Bolter (x1); Meltagun (x1);
Sister Superior Storm Bolter (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Storm Bolter(x2); Hunter-killer Missile;

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10) Storm Bolter (x1); Meltagun (x1);
Sister Superior Storm Bolter (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Storm Bolter(x2); Hunter-killer Missile;

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10) Storm Bolter (x1); Meltagun (x1);
Sister Superior Storm Bolter (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Storm Bolter(x2); Hunter-killer Missile;

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (5)
Retributor Squad Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1);
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1);
Immolator Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (5)
Retributor Squad Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1);
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1);
Immolator Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer

Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Dominion Squad Meltagun (x2); A
Dominion Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta

Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Dominion Squad Meltagun (x2); A
Dominion Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta

Elite: Repentia Squad (5)

Elite: Repentia Squad (5)