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 vipoid wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Tyel wrote:
If Lelith remains a 90 point character then she's probably going to be "okay". We wait on stuff - but perhaps more so than she's ever been.
But in the Timmy-stakes as we review each faction's top dog, its a bit pathetic.

Hopefully, once the codex rolls around, Lord Vect will put everyone in their place with a new model.

Please no.

Dark Eldar haven't had a new unit in 12? 13? years now.

The last thing I want is for their entire release to be spent on a single special character who would inevitably be ridiculously overdone.

How about we focus on expanding the generic characters first and then consider supplementing them with special characters?

If they release Vect it'd be with a total refresh of the line, same as what happened with Necrons getting Szarekh.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
What does the psychic power section of the rulebook look like? Are we allowed to use each and every power listed? And multiple times for different psykers?

And is Deny the Witch gone?

There is no Psychic Power section. Psychic is a keyword and powers are weapons/abilities on the cards of the models/units that can use them.

There is no Deny because Psychic Phase and Psychic Tests aren't a thing.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
What does the psychic power section of the rulebook look like? Are we allowed to use each and every power listed? And multiple times for different psykers? And is Deny the Witch gone?

There is no psychic power section. Psychic Powers are now either weird guns that the wielder just shoots (and they usually have an overcharged version that can hurt them to simulate Perils), or some rando buff they can do.

You don't get to choose powers. Powers are set to specific characters. There's no deny the witch. The only faction that has any variety here are 1KSons as they have a list of generic powers that anyone can cast based on their Cabal Point system. Everyone else is just one or two set powers per psyker.

It's what you might call a massive over-correction, or, in GW terms, business as usual.

I've always liked psychic powers in 40k, but I've never really seen the need for a whole phase or special rules around them.

They're either buffs, debuffs (these 2 cover everything from teleporting to protection etc), ranged attacks or melee attacks.

It was relatively arbitrary how they represented them, but I don't see anything wrong with them being listed as abilities or weapons.

perils was more for flavour than anything else, which is probably why in the last edition psychic powers produced mortal wounds so much, to offset the risk of perils.

THere's really only two things I would like to see potentially appear in the current version:

purchasable extra powers (ie farseers buying mind war)
psychic duelling/deny style rules

so like the melee section lists a basic melee weapon to fight with, the psyker key word might list the 'psychic defence' ability that all psykers get.

They may target an enemy psyker within 12" in the command phase. Roll 1d6: 1 -2 fail, 3-4 success, 5-6 super success

If they succeed the target must make a LD test to avoid having a psychic keyworded attack/ability shut down (target player's choice). super success gets -1 to Ld test.

Something like that. You could have a feed back rule where if the target succeeds on their test and rolls a double, the attacker must test for hazardous as their mind is scrambled by feedback.

Provides a little uncertainty and risk so it's not always used.

Other than that, a psychic blast is mechanically just a gun, so treating it as one is not an issue for me.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Tyel wrote:
If Lelith remains a 90 point character then she's probably going to be "okay". We wait on stuff - but perhaps more so than she's ever been.
But in the Timmy-stakes as we review each faction's top dog, its a bit pathetic.

Hopefully, once the codex rolls around, Lord Vect will put everyone in their place with a new model.

Please no.

Dark Eldar haven't had a new unit in 12? 13? years now.

The last thing I want is for their entire release to be spent on a single special character who would inevitably be ridiculously overdone.

How about we focus on expanding the generic characters first and then consider supplementing them with special characters?

If they release Vect it'd be with a total refresh of the line, same as what happened with Necrons getting Szarekh.

That's a pretty far-fetched assumption, since the last few 'faction bosses' were part of versus boxes or standalone releases: Azrael, Ghaz, and even the Lion.
if they aren't going to do it for marines, they aren't going to do it for Dark Elfs.

 Hellebore wrote:
Other than that, a psychic blast is mechanically just a gun, so treating it as one is not an issue for me.

Changing them to weird guns isn't what bothers me, and I certainly don't care whether there's a psychic phase or not. It's that there's no choice and powers are set per model type.

I remember Ghaz releasing alongside a ton of new ork models. It's different for loyalist marines because they just get new stuff whenever anyone else gets new stuff and also get new stuff in between other factions getting new stuff.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I remember Ghaz releasing alongside a ton of new ork models. It's different for loyalist marines because they just get new stuff whenever anyone else gets new stuff and also get new stuff in between other factions getting new stuff.

Ghaz was on his own with Ragnar in a vs box, the big Ork wave came later

Yeah Ghas came out in 8th in 2020, Beast Snagga Boyz and other kits were 2021. Unless they were referring to speedfreekz range but that was a few years prior.

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 Arachnofiend wrote:
I remember Ghaz releasing alongside a ton of new ork models. It's different for loyalist marines because they just get new stuff whenever anyone else gets new stuff and also get new stuff in between other factions getting new stuff.

Speedfreeks wave came with 8th edition codex, Ghaz was Psychic Awakening, Beastsnagga and AOBR 2.0 waves came with 9th edition codex, Kommandoz were a KillTeam release and now we got Snikrot as our Arks of Omen release.

For all our problems with the rule writers, orks are undeniably one of the best supported factions in terms of model releases.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I remember Ghaz releasing alongside a ton of new ork models. It's different for loyalist marines because they just get new stuff whenever anyone else gets new stuff and also get new stuff in between other factions getting new stuff.

Speedfreeks wave came with 8th edition codex, Ghaz was Psychic Awakening, Beastsnagga and AOBR 2.0 waves came with 9th edition codex, Kommandoz were a KillTeam release and now we got Snikrot as our Arks of Omen release.

For all our problems with the rule writers, orks are undeniably one of the best supported factions in terms of model releases.

Not just with GW itself, but Space Orks in general there's tons of 3rd party options.

Gearing up for tpdays preview, I'm expecting cult ambush to either be gone or represented as a detachment that allows more deepstrike/a deployment shenanigan. I'd wager crossfire is the army rule now, with a modifier to hit when targeting units already wounded that turn. I'd also imagine either acolytes as the unit or the weapons preview so they have an excuse to prep people for the inevitable consolidated mining weapons melee profile.

There's no way Crossfire survives the dumbening down of 10th.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Tyel wrote:
If Lelith remains a 90 point character then she's probably going to be "okay". We wait on stuff - but perhaps more so than she's ever been.
But in the Timmy-stakes as we review each faction's top dog, its a bit pathetic.

Hopefully, once the codex rolls around, Lord Vect will put everyone in their place with a new model.

Please no.

Dark Eldar haven't had a new unit in 12? 13? years now.

The last thing I want is for their entire release to be spent on a single special character who would inevitably be ridiculously overdone.

How about we focus on expanding the generic characters first and then consider supplementing them with special characters?

Basically, all you have to do is put a diorama on a Tantalus and call it good.

Having the Tantalus in plastic would be a great step forward

Acehilator wrote:
There's no way Crossfire survives the dumbening down of 10th.

It might do if it has no stipulations on positioning.

For what it's worth, here's an image going around of the first rules interaction punishing knights.



It can't charge the russ due to terrain & objective marker.

If you put something physical in place of the 40mm base, it makes a lot more intuitive sense.

Yeah, I don’t care for the No Standing On Objective Markers rule. But also that’s bad terrain placement.

No standing on objectives works a lot better with physical 3d objectives that are meant to be held rather than just abstracted circles on the ground. Not much point in holding a sacred statue if you just run it over to park a baneblade on the spot it is mounted.

Going to be extra care needed for terrain placement to stop stuff like that.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If you put something physical in place of the 40mm base, it makes a lot more intuitive sense.

I had the same thought. That has been setup to punish the knight. When you arrange terrain and objective markers you need to think through the implications.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
Other than that, a psychic blast is mechanically just a gun, so treating it as one is not an issue for me.

Changing them to weird guns isn't what bothers me, and I certainly don't care whether there's a psychic phase or not. It's that there's no choice and powers are set per model type.

So basically we're back 3rd edition. Early 3rd edition, 1999-2000. Time to break out my skinny black jeans and Phantom Menace T-Shirt.



Holy @#$% HBMC changed avatars?! This is like a once in a decade thing!

The Black Adder wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If you put something physical in place of the 40mm base, it makes a lot more intuitive sense.

I had the same thought. That has been setup to punish the knight. When you arrange terrain and objective markers you need to think through the implications.

It's likely not an immediate or obvious thought though, that gap is wide enough for a knight to get through under other circumstances.

Further to that there's all sorts of weird set ups we might see with stuff placed strategically to make it impossible to charge units, such as rhinos at 12 and 6 on the objective then a unit deployed 1-5 and just far enough away from the marker that you can't actually charge them and are forced to go through the transports.

Why have they changed the rules for obscuring on ruins? Seems like now Towering units like Knights ignore obscuring both ways so they cannot be obscured but you can't be obscured back either? Seems a little screwed up to me?

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Why have they changed the rules for obscuring on ruins? Seems like now Towering units like Knights ignore obscuring both ways so they cannot be obscured but you can't be obscured back either? Seems a little screwed up to me?

You would still get cover at least.

 vipoid wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Tyel wrote:
If Lelith remains a 90 point character then she's probably going to be "okay". We wait on stuff - but perhaps more so than she's ever been.
But in the Timmy-stakes as we review each faction's top dog, its a bit pathetic.

Hopefully, once the codex rolls around, Lord Vect will put everyone in their place with a new model.

Please no.

Dark Eldar haven't had a new unit in 12? 13? years now.

The last thing I want is for their entire release to be spent on a single special character who would inevitably be ridiculously overdone.

How about we focus on expanding the generic characters first and then consider supplementing them with special characters?

I honestly think Drukhari are in Fyreslayer territory when it comes to sales. So only one new HQ(or redo) is what I expect at this moment.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Why have they changed the rules for obscuring on ruins? Seems like now Towering units like Knights ignore obscuring both ways so they cannot be obscured but you can't be obscured back either? Seems a little screwed up to me?

I don't understand why do you think it is screwed up?

 Eldarsif wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Tyel wrote:
If Lelith remains a 90 point character then she's probably going to be "okay". We wait on stuff - but perhaps more so than she's ever been.
But in the Timmy-stakes as we review each faction's top dog, its a bit pathetic.

Hopefully, once the codex rolls around, Lord Vect will put everyone in their place with a new model.

Please no.

Dark Eldar haven't had a new unit in 12? 13? years now.

The last thing I want is for their entire release to be spent on a single special character who would inevitably be ridiculously overdone.

How about we focus on expanding the generic characters first and then consider supplementing them with special characters?

I honestly think Drukhari are in Fyreslayer territory when it comes to sales. So only one new HQ(or redo) is what I expect at this moment.

If they were going to give us a new HQ, they probably wouldn't have worded the detachment abilities to refer exclusively to the existing HQs.

 Trickstick wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Why have they changed the rules for obscuring on ruins? Seems like now Towering units like Knights ignore obscuring both ways so they cannot be obscured but you can't be obscured back either? Seems a little screwed up to me?

You would still get cover at least.

this is the 10th edition of the rules, by now they should terrain rules so useable and yet so well written that everyone is praising them and other systems essentially copy them as there are none better

 vipoid wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Tyel wrote:
If Lelith remains a 90 point character then she's probably going to be "okay". We wait on stuff - but perhaps more so than she's ever been.
But in the Timmy-stakes as we review each faction's top dog, its a bit pathetic.

Hopefully, once the codex rolls around, Lord Vect will put everyone in their place with a new model.

Please no.

Dark Eldar haven't had a new unit in 12? 13? years now.

The last thing I want is for their entire release to be spent on a single special character who would inevitably be ridiculously overdone.

How about we focus on expanding the generic characters first and then consider supplementing them with special characters?

I honestly think Drukhari are in Fyreslayer territory when it comes to sales. So only one new HQ(or redo) is what I expect at this moment.

If they were going to give us a new HQ, they probably wouldn't have worded the detachment abilities to refer exclusively to the existing HQs.

They mean when the codex comes round.