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Personally, I think having Warriors in Troops is a biggie. Now I have a unit that can sit on an objective and actually do something (prolly firing deathspitters).

If Warriors aren't hellishly expensive, I'd imagine that they'll still be useful without eternal warrior. Especially if they can still abuse wound allocation.

I can't stop smiling thinking about the Tervigon. This codex is great. I also like that they leave room for future FW tie ins with product. Really makes me think that they will have more of this type of thing for the non-marine codexes.

lordbug wrote:Now some of you gys said you have seen these minis in your local game store...can you buy them or do they only have a few and have to wait to release them im so confused and dont want to drive there for nothing to far.

They're not for sale. For sale in January. The ones at the stores are just to show off.

We got a pretty good look at hormagaunts there. I'm going to collate a couple of rumors about them and look at them as a profile...

Troop Choice - hormagaunt

WS3 BS3 S3 T3 I5 W1 A2 LD5 SV6+

unit type: infantry

wargear: scything talons

special rules: instinctive behavior - rage

5 points per model. Each model may be given toxin sacs (poison 4+) at a cost of ?? and/or adrenal glands (furious charge) at a cost of ??



It looks like we lost beasts. I would be shocked if we got 5 point beasts to be honest. Did we also lose fleet? That could say a lot about the unit. As was asked earlier, scything talons seems to have lost its +1 attack, but gained the re-roll 1's in CC ability. This statline, with that wargear and upgrade options, and the synapse interaction feel about right. I could believe fleet, but not beasts at 5 points. A full brood of 30 naked hormas is only 150? That brood could be fearless, and when it isn't fearless is doesn't run away, it runs towards enemy models? I think that sounds pretty nice for a scoring, choppy tarpit.

So here is the next question... given this unit entry, and assuming that the points costs for toxin sacs and adrenal glands were both reasonable... Which would you take if any?

With a natural initiative of 5, the initiative boost of furious charge isn't as valuable as it is on I4 models. And with strength 4 basically amounting to not quite as good as poison against non vehicles, the strength boost of furious assault is not that exciting. Really the only thing furious charge has going for it are attacking rear armor 10 of vehicles for glances, and attacking units with initiatives 5 and 6. Those units generally aren't something you want your troops choices to be messing with.

Toxin sacs, however, seem like a no-brainer, barring an overcost situation.

Am I missing anything?

Flying Trygon? Another big critter that craps out Gaunts? It seems that the term Nidzilla might just get a new meaning. ('eh! out of the way, ya weedy little Carnifexes!)

I hope they haven't taken Fleet away from the 'Nids. That would just be crazy.

I wouldn't pay any more than a point per model, at most, for Furious Charge. For toxin sacs, I'd probably go 2 points per. You start talking about 8-point T3 models without saves, and that adds up in a hurry, regardless of how good they are. 7, I could stomach, but I think I'd rather just leave them alone and take more bodies instead unless I knew I was going to be in a mirror match or up against a lot of Thunderwolves or Wraithlords or something.

I feel like Gaunts will always have fleet. Axing the leaping/beasts on Hormagaunts seems a little weird since they've always had it, but I can't see them only costing 5 points per model with I5 and multiple attacks if they were still that fast. Then again, Fenrisian Wolves have +1 on stats across the board and only cost 8 points per. If they wanted to get people using hordes again, 5 point, I5 beasts would certainly be one way to do it.

Overall, I'm thrilled with the seemingly reliable rumors coming out. This is going to rock.

We got a pretty good look at hormagaunts there. I'm going to collate a couple of rumors about them and look at them as a profile...

I think its even money that they still have a 12" charge, they just no longer get stuck on the bottom floor of a ruin (one of many 5ed rules oddities being shored up based on other rumors). And losing fleet would be something mentioned I am sure. The absence of info should not be read as the absence of the rule. We'll see though.

Also the half points has been rumored to be based off of 12 point adrenal gland hormies, so 6 points for the stats mentioned, but with 12" charge, seems perfectly reasonable next to fen wolves stats. Even at 5, with the way cc works in 5ed I would not be too shocked. I guess we'll see soon enough. That I5 is sure gonna be useful incase they do lose a combat and are outta synapse.

That brood could be fearless, and when it isn't fearless is doesn't run away, it runs towards enemy models?

That's not my reading of the IB rumor at all. I don't think the IB roll applies when combat is lost or similar, only when out of synapse at the start of the turn. Could be mistaken though. Does make one wonder what happens when they do lose a regular morale check out of synapse (do they still fall back toward synapse?)

updated hormagaunt entry...

Troop Choice - hormagaunt

WS3 BS3 S3 T3 I5 W1 A2 LD5 SV6+

unit type: infantry

wargear: scything talons (re-roll 1's to hit in CC)

special rules: instinctive behavior - rage (when not in synapse range, make a leadership test before moving. If failed the unit must move as fast as possible to the nearest enemy unit and must charge), fleet, quick (roll 3D6 and pick the highest when running)

5 points per model. Each model may be given toxin sacs (poison 4+) at a cost of ?? and/or adrenal glands (furious charge) at a cost of ??




No 12" charge... discuss.

It seems that different units will act differently outside synapse. Horm's have IB-Rage. Biovore has IB-Lurk. I'd imagine there may be one or two different other's as well.

I like the quick + fleet rule. Even without the 12 inch charge it seems they could still easily have a 11-12" move easily before the charge. I would say it evens out there (even though now with optimal rolling you could get a 6" move+ 6" fleet + 12" charge).

No 12" charge... discuss.

yep, I'd be outta money I guess on the coin toss . Does look like they want them to be faster, just not too fast. I like it personally but I know some people who dug the old beast rush that will not be happy.

Wonder what else gets quick, if anything.

I like quick. We went from a 33% chance to get a 5+ run to a 70% chance.

I'll take consistent higher movement with a big price reduction over a 12" charge .

If either toxin sacs or adrenal glands are cheap, I think hormaqaunts will be good.

Big news from BramGaunt on Warseer:

Dedicated Transports

Spore Capsule

You may buy a Spore Capsule for lots of units: it may transport 1 Monstrous Creature or up to 20 Infantry.

The Spore Capsule is Deep Striking, and the unit within disembarks. It may neither move nor attack. It may still shoot.

The Capsule has WS and BS 2. It has Toughness 5 or 6 and 3 Lifepoints. It has, if i remember correctly, 3 attacks S 6.

It has a Assault 6 Strength 6 shooting attack with a range of 6 inches.

That has a lot of implications, IMO.

Wow, MC's right in the mix. That could get really interesting with Carnifex broods and Deep Striking Trygons.

Time to buy some softballs....

gorgon wrote:
That has a lot of implications, IMO.

Understatement!

I think this just basically took all of the posters that were thinking it was going to be 'bio-guard' and said... nope it's a CC army.

How much for a carnifex with double crushing claws and a spore?

Remember ironclads? I don't either

WOW!


A killer deepstriking assaulty carnifex with a side of awesome sauce please.

*Head explodes*

Curious whether it has similar rules to a drop pod or not (no scatter and half first turn). Also kinda surprised they made it a full on model with stats.

So is this BramGaunt guy reliable as a source? I'm new to the whole rumours thing and am just trying to keep up.

I have to say there do seem to be more rumours than can be expected to fit into the nid book...It will be nice to see which will pan out and which won't.

'Nids getting one of SM's biggest unique assets (make no mistake, the Spore Capsule as described above is a Drop Pod)? Sounds a bit fishy to me. Even accepting this as some attempt at homoginizing armies, GW has always protected their SM's. While I'd like to see it from a 'Nid player perspective, this really stinks of wishlisting. Just 'cause it's on Warseer doesn't make it true- look through their archives to see how many "locked solid" DE release dates have come & passed.

Tyrainds did have the Mycetic Assault rules awhile back that acted similarly to drop pods, so this development isn't totally out of the blue. In fact, it was something I sort of suspected might get included. I'm pretty sure others suggested it in the Tyranid codex fixing thread thingy over in the Proposed Rules forum, too.

man, I'm really anxious to see this codex now. With "CC monster" MC's that boast Bane Wolf flamers, getting dropped on could seriously suck. 20 Hormagaunts or 10 CC Warriors in your face probably wouldn't be much fun, either.

So Mycetic Spores are in, and they're actual units? Guess we'll never see models for them either.

And yeah, Mycetic Spores have been around for a very long time. Introduced in the first rules for 'Nids in Epic and later brought into 40K 3rd Ed via the Mycetic Spore sub-list.

Anyone remember the days of Codex: DA and Codex: CSM? I know I can't. Talk about a wild and crazy codex. Man o man. "The Great Tightening" may begin immediately after this codex, but as a Tyranid player I'm gonna be enjoying the next 5+ years, LOL.

Neith wrote:Lictors deploying like Marbo?

Well, it's a start- shame they wouldn't be able to assault though. I'm also surprised that Trygon may be S6, I sort of expected a little higher.

Some of the other things listed are just insane, if this is true then 'Nids are getting one hell of a shakeup.

Wonder if I can get Raveners to count as Troops anyway- I'd love a Ravener-centric army

Yep, it's a step in the right direction. Looks like I may be using Lictors again Or Death Leaper, in any case.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:So Mycetic Spores are in, and they're actual units? Guess we'll never see models for them either.

Guess it's time to grab the green stuff and get to work on that SM drop pod. Maybe a bloated egg of some sort akin to the sacs in Alien

If they can't assault after deep striking, and still suffer from the "extremely vulnerable yet lacks the destructive ability to compensate for it" syndrome, then Lictors are going to spend another edition in the storage bin. It's a shame, because I've liked Lictors from the day I started Warhammer 10 years ago and they just haven't lived up to what they are written up to be.

H.B.M.C. wrote: [...] and later brought into 40K 3rd Ed via the Mycetic Spore sub-list.

Oh yes I remember introduced by Pete Haines and he promptly had an error in his example list . Ah, those were the days.

This is back in the days when GW sample lists had Dev squads with 4 completely different weapons, so anything's possible.

Ok...so it's the mycetic spore drop pod now. Maybe the lictor will get some playtime after all. With it, your spores can come down more reliably.

But I fear a no-brainer!

Greets
Schepp himself

EDIT: It's simply not cool when an army gets into assault turn two and there is nothing you can do about it. Takes away all the tactics and fun of 40k.

Just thought I would mention there's a pretty nice thread on warseer with a compilation of most of the rumours into 1 post. Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but if you didn't know it's worth a look.