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WITHDRAWN duo to killjoy

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Will the Daemon Prince still be the same powerhouse that it is now

This one made me laugh for like a good 30 minutes...,ahah Deamon Prince and Powerhouse in the same sentence...

Personnaly regarding the Ghost21 Vs ADB match; i don't give a rat's ass as to who ever wins this crap fling contest...,its like watching two kids who tries to know wich of them as the longest...

I come here for rumours...,not Monkey fights, for this i'll go to the local Bar, at least you can SEE the match, while enjoying your beer.

When did the Red Angel stop being anyone but Angron?

That's just another one of his names.


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kronk wrote:
How can anyone here answer that? Wish-Listing belongs in 40k general, please.

Then so does this entire thread, because it's almost all wish-listing.

Slayer le boucher wrote:This one made me laugh for like a good 30 minutes...,ahah Deamon Prince and Powerhouse in the same sentence...

I think by powerhouse he meant decent, zero options pseudo-mandatory HQ choice that is the least bad of a bunch of awful HQs.

tarnish wrote:WITHDRAWN duo to killjoy

Nobody was being a killjoy, there's just honestly no way of us to know this. Assume that Daemon Princes are good, but that's all anyone can really say at this point.

DarknessEternal wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:

kronk wrote:
How can anyone here answer that? Wish-Listing belongs in 40k general, please.

Then so does this entire thread, because it's almost all wish-listing.

I don't disagree with you.

tarnish wrote:WITHDRAWN duo to killjoy

No need to be that way, man.

*hugs*

kronk wrote:

tarnish wrote:WITHDRAWN duo to killjoy

No need to be that way, man.

*hugs*

Awww *hugs back* all forgotten.

tarnish wrote:
Awww *hugs back* all forgotten.

In the spirit of brotherly love:

"Will the Daemon Prince still be the same powerhouse that it is now or will we see some new viable hq thats even better?"

I can't wait to see what they do with Daemon Princes. I'm betting the Tzeench Daemon might have it's own Psycher Power(s) that perhaps even the Sorceror doesn't get and that the psychic powers in general will be beefed up to match or exceed the Codex Space Marines.

There will still be powerful assault builds. However, don't discount shooty chaose armies. Havocks, Obliterators, and defilers can lay down some serious fire power. I doubt those will be weakened.

Okay, I don't want to keep this thread derailed for longer than possible with continued ADB v. ghost21 discussion, but back a few pages ago, ghost21 told ADB that the next time he saw him, he would let him know who he was.

Now, this throws up a big red flag for me. This tells me that:
A) If ghost21 has been sitting in on these meetings with ADB, he doesn't really care that much about his position with GW. Otherwise, how can he be sure that ADB wouldn't report his breach of an NDA?
B) Or, if he truly has been in on these small meetings, as ADB describes them to be, then he is one of the higher ups and doesn't care if ADB knows that he's breached his NDA because he's intentionally leaking misinformation.
C) Or, he's someone who does get information somewhere along the line, though it may not be the most accurate, and he's just lying about being in the meetings with ADB.

marmaduke wrote:

kronk wrote:.

How would the bikes stack with Marks or Icons of nurgle? Would they be T5(6)? Would they be T4(6)? Are we talking true plague marines or just icons of nurgle?


Edit: Calvary/Cavalry.

personally i am hoping for T4(6) and then give them FNP that would make it worth taking the bike and not make them to tough

that and just drop the blight grenades when they get on the bike cause they are too busy steering. that or make it that they cause any unit within X" to suffer a -1Ld

gosh i really hope that this is somewhat true

Absolutely NO to T4(6) Nurgle bikers, and while we're at it, T4(5) for Nurgle Lords and Characters (I'm looking at you, Typhus). It's sad how the Herald of Nurgle himself can be insta-gibbed by some no-name dill weed sergeant of (insert random Ultramarines successor) can strike him down in one swing.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Okay, I don't want to keep this thread derailed for longer than possible with continued ADB v. ghost21 discussion, but back a few pages ago, ghost21 told ADB that the next time he saw him, he would let him know who he was.

Now, this throws up a big red flag for me. This tells me that:
A) If ghost21 has been sitting in on these meetings with ADB, he doesn't really care that much about his position with GW. Otherwise, how can he be sure that ADB wouldn't report his breach of an NDA?
B) Or, if he truly has been in on these small meetings, as ADB describes them to be, then he is one of the higher ups and doesn't care if ADB knows that he's breached his NDA because he's intentionally leaking misinformation.
C) Or, he's someone who does get information somewhere along the line, though it may not be the most accurate, and he's just lying about being in the meetings with ADB.

That was my thought process as well. When rumors go by and they say, "I've got a guy-who-knows-a-guy-who-knows-a-guy." as their source I am usually reluctant to believe them. When they say they are the guy leaking the information I'm even more speculative. I only say that because if you really are that guy you're an idiot because it will end up costing you your job and future employment. I wouldn't employ someone who has a history of not being able to keep their mouth shut when it comes to R&D projects. The next question would be, what is his actual position? I don't think he made the cut to be a designer or writer. Maybe an IT guy that is reading someone else's emails? He can get the info from the meeting without being present but is still "in the room". Then again, item C still holds water as well.

DarknessEternal wrote:When did the Red Angel stop being anyone but Angron?

That's just another one of his names.

In the Horus Heresy card game, artbook, and novels the "Red Angel" was written as captured and possessed blood angel used a medium to communicate with daemonic allies in the warp. So for about the last 7 years or so.

Just throwing this out here;

*IF* chaos marines/legions get buffed versions of the daemon prince and/or the basic 4 daemonic units, (horrors, 'letter et all), for lower costs than what the daemon codex gets them, could this mean we get a new Codex: Daemons before a full-on chaos renegades 'dex?!?
Basically, I'm thinking about what's happened in fantasy as possible evidence; Tomb Kings got an update in May and things like skeletons dropped to 4pts, while Vampire counts still pay 8pts for the same unit. (and theirs come with a worse statline to boot!) But now only 7/8'ish months later, VC's are getting their fix so that they're no longer being massively over-taxed for the same option/s.

Daemons are more popular than alot give them credit since it's an army that crosses over 2 games... They simply have no versitility right now and are stale as all feth. I'd honestly hate to think that GW would force daemonic players to wait upwards of almost 3 more years before we get some desperately help.
If chaos marines do get 'better' daemons, I just hope there's a way for us daemon players to play a mainly daemonic list untill we get an actual working codex!

DarknessEternal wrote:When did the Red Angel stop being anyone but Angron?
That's just another one of his names.

ghost21 himself said that it referred to the pic, not Angron.

aka_mythos wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:When did the Red Angel stop being anyone but Angron?

That's just another one of his names.

In the Horus Heresy card game, artbook, and novels the "Red Angel" was written as captured and possessed blood angel used a medium to communicate with daemonic allies in the warp. So for about the last 7 years or so.

Evidence?

Rules of Engagement by Graham McNeill refers to Angron as the Red Angel.

So basically, 80% of these rumors (aka ones by ghost) are completely BS. We should make a list of people who gave rumors, quotes for rumors and which ones actually had inside info. That way, we could look forward to REAL rumors. I mean for friggles sake, I could jog down some of what I've heard right now and they'd be as accurate as that front post:

More Chaos Gifts
More Special characters other than Abaddon and the four cronies
Legion Based special characters
Said special characters will have army wide rules
At least one plastic cult marine box set
Demons completely removed bar the prince
A greater focus on the non-chaos-gods-worshiping-leigions with special rules to reflect this
New chaos spells with more god specific spells
There are "pick a model and roll" spells and stat based template spells
More upgrade for terminators including cult terminators

Daemons completely removed besides princes? That seems quite unlikely to me. What would Word Bearers spend their time doing if not summoning daemons?

Are posts proclaiming Ghost's rumors to be the gospel or posts proclaiming Ghost's rumors to be garbage really nessessary.

wyomingfox wrote:Are posts proclaiming Ghost's rumors to be the gospel or posts proclaiming Ghost's rumors to be garbage really nessessary.

No, but is it entertaining?

Personally, I don't see the point of discussing the rumours when the rumour-monger's reliability is so suspect...

A nice find by Shabbadoo on Warseer

Shabbadoo wrote:Not sure if anybody posted it yet, but here is a possible tidbit from the rules for the new Land Raider Proteus:

Power of the Machine Spirit(Imperial)/Infernal Device(Chaos): A
Land Raider can fire one more weapon that would normally be permitted
based upon its movement speed; this weapon may be fired at a separate
target if desired. A Land Raider may also fire a single weapon even if it
has suffered a Crew Shaken or Crew Stunned result that turn.

While Forgeworld does make up its own rules for things, they usually don't do it for a core piece of equipment on a core vehicle, so perhaps the Chaos Land Raider will soon enough be more useful(which would be nice).

Looks to me like it's just FW making it equally usable for both factions.
I can't imagine GW would just copy the rule directly over to Chaos, only with a different name.

terranarc wrote:So basically, 80% of these rumors (aka ones by ghost) are completely BS. We should make a list of people who gave rumors, quotes for rumors and which ones actually had inside info. That way, we could look forward to REAL rumors.

1.) Actually we don't know if ghost21's Chaos rumours are true. We will find out in about a year.
2.) The first post makes it quite clear who is the source for each rumour.
3.) Most rumour posters started with no proof of their credibility, even Harry raised a nerdrage when he predicted a High Elf chariot dran by lions. Most of ghost's rumours are so far in the future that we will not see in the next 6 months, if they are true.
4.) There is no such thing as REAL and UNREAL rumours. If we know they are true, they stop being rumours and become fact.

wyomingfox wrote:A nice find by Shabbadoo on Warseer

Shabbadoo wrote:Not sure if anybody posted it yet, but here is a possible tidbit from the rules for the new Land Raider Proteus:

Power of the Machine Spirit(Imperial)/Infernal Device(Chaos): A
Land Raider can fire one more weapon that would normally be permitted
based upon its movement speed; this weapon may be fired at a separate
target if desired. A Land Raider may also fire a single weapon even if it
has suffered a Crew Shaken or Crew Stunned result that turn.

While Forgeworld does make up its own rules for things, they usually don't do it for a core piece of equipment on a core vehicle, so perhaps the Chaos Land Raider will soon enough be more useful(which would be nice).

THAT is most certainly news worthy! If this carries into the codex, I wonder if it would replace the Daemonic Possession upgrades.

Back in the day i seem to recall a machine spirit as having BS 2. i wonder if thats the case with this new rule.
If indeed its at the crews skill, that would be huge.

Kroothawk wrote:

terranarc wrote:So basically, 80% of these rumors (aka ones by ghost) are completely BS. We should make a list of people who gave rumors, quotes for rumors and which ones actually had inside info. That way, we could look forward to REAL rumors.

1.) Actually we don't know if ghost21's Chaos rumours are true. We will find out in about a year.
2.) The first post makes it quite clear who is the source for each rumour.
3.) Most rumour posters started with no proof of their credibility, even Harry raised a nerdrage when he predicted a High Elf chariot dran by lions. Most of ghost's rumours are so far in the future that we will not see in the next 6 months, if they are true.
4.) There is no such thing as REAL and UNREAL rumours. If we know they are true, they stop being rumours and become fact.

True but wouldn't you rather read plausible rumors from people who get things right more of the times than just people spouting wishlist? I mean there IS a place for wishlist stuff.

And 1 year... *cry*

Dammit GW. Dammit.

DarknessEternal wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:When did the Red Angel stop being anyone but Angron?

That's just another one of his names.

In the Horus Heresy card game, artbook, and novels the "Red Angel" was written as captured and possessed blood angel used a medium to communicate with daemonic allies in the warp. So for about the last 7 years or so.

Evidence?

Rules of Engagement by Graham McNeill refers to Angron as the Red Angel.

Both the card of this character and the artbook name the guy in the picture as the Red Angel... as you can see in the lower left hand corner of the picture. He is separate and distinct from Angron, who has his own card and artistic depiction.

tarnish wrote:Back in the day i seem to recall a machine spirit as having BS 2. i wonder if thats the case with this new rule.
If indeed its at the crews skill, that would be huge.

I doubt it would be BS2. Daemonic Spirit is BS3. Also, The BT codex was updated from BS2 to BS4 with the latest FAQ.

BS2 would be a step backwards, IMHO.

Experiment 626 wrote:Daemons are more popular than alot give them credit since it's an army that crosses over 2 games... They simply have no versitility right now and are stale as all feth. I'd honestly hate to think that GW would force daemonic players to wait upwards of almost 3 more years before we get some desperately help.
If chaos marines do get 'better' daemons, I just hope there's a way for us daemon players to play a mainly daemonic list untill we get an actual working codex!

I think the reason why Daemons lack versatility is primarily because the Daemons split from CSM was never done cleanly. The Daemons codex is essentially compiled of the daemonic units that were removed from the CSM codex, with the special characters and the Soul Grinder being the only unique additions. The sad part is that there wasn’t enough daemonic units in the old CSM book to make a full codex (nor were replacement units added to the CSM codex), which essentially left us with two badly written (and incomplete) books.

The rumours of 6th edition don’t mention daemons which leads me to believe that either a) it is a long wait before they get a new book or b) Daemons don’t get a new book but primarily Daemonic forces are still playable via one of the two 6thEd CSM codices (Word Bearers and LATD?).