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Im defiantly gonna build a Fallen army (probably a small one) for my FLGS's big Gathering Storm finale (a giant Apocalypse size battle with many participants) and those images just get me excited.

Sanguinius was prescient. He could see future events to a degree, along with the psychic/emotional bond with his Legion.

It's also what speaks to the "Jesus" allegory knowing he was going to die for his father, but he still went to his death.

I can't see him having any "Attacking" type psychic powers, but I can see them working the prescience in there somewhere. Which could lead to some cool scenarios where he "knows" where to attack and gets to strike beforehand.

 Jackal wrote:
Ah right, I knew he was able to see things before they had happened etc.

So if they do give him the psykers rule chances are they will be pre selected ones that suit him.
Rather than an all out psyker.

Probably like Sevatar? Or Lorgar? Something like that.

Making Sanguinius a ML 2 Divination psyker seems logical. Giving him Precognition and Foreboding as pre-selected powers would fit the fluff. Also making him DtW on 4+. Nic addition to a melee monster th Angel will be.

 hordrak wrote:
Making Sanguinius a ML 2 Divination psyker seems logical. Giving him Precognition and Foreboding as pre-selected powers would fit the fluff. Also making him DtW on 4+. Nic addition to a melee monster th Angel will be.

So let it be written, so let it be done!

Carved oak plaque based on the emperors children plaque from page 114 of heresy book 1 betrayal. I think this has turned out awesome.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
Long story short, magnus has an army with him simply to feed his crazed warpcharge addiction.

I think it's at the high end of stupidly good, but not broken.
30k has issues with psykers to begin with due to having limited numbers of them in armies, and most of which don't do a lot.

Due to having a low number of psykers, the defence against it really wasn't needed before as it was nothing special.
This however can given it a pretty nasty shake.

I've seen the more competitive players scouring ebay for sisters of silence to try and cut down the damage.




While I'm no fluff nut, isn't sanguinius also a pretty strong psyker? (Not as strong as magnus though)
This kind of makes me edgy about what's to come.

Then you have the emperor, in a talon list where nearly half the units shut down psykers altogether lol.

I don't think Sanguinius was, but I know the Khan was.

The Khan isn't a psyker?

Edit: well, all the Primarchs were innately psychic beings to some extent, but the Khan isn't a psyker in the traditional sense.

The Khan showed he was a Psyker when he battled Mortarion, if I recall correctly.

Nice work, Knockagh!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
The Khan showed he was a Psyker when he battled Mortarion, if I recall correctly.

I don't remember that, and I've read Scars a few times now. Might've missed something though!

 ImAGeek wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
Long story short, magnus has an army with him simply to feed his crazed warpcharge addiction.

I think it's at the high end of stupidly good, but not broken.
30k has issues with psykers to begin with due to having limited numbers of them in armies, and most of which don't do a lot.

Due to having a low number of psykers, the defence against it really wasn't needed before as it was nothing special.
This however can given it a pretty nasty shake.

I've seen the more competitive players scouring ebay for sisters of silence to try and cut down the damage.




While I'm no fluff nut, isn't sanguinius also a pretty strong psyker? (Not as strong as magnus though)
This kind of makes me edgy about what's to come.

Then you have the emperor, in a talon list where nearly half the units shut down psykers altogether lol.

I don't think Sanguinius was, but I know the Khan was.

The Khan isn't a psyker?

Edit: well, all the Primarchs were innately psychic beings to some extent, but the Khan isn't a psyker in the traditional sense.

Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.

I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.

I've been through the units for Custodes and Sisters twice now and I still can't find which of them is armed with the Proteus Las Lance listed under "Custodes Battlefield Support Weapons" is this the "other" weapon the Jetbikes were suppose to be armed with

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.

I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.

It was when they were battling the psychneuein on Prospero. The Khan was able to psychically charge his blade or something to destroy them. He also has some internal dialogue about how all the primarchs are psykers, even ones like Angron and Mortarion.

Sanguinius was prescient, absolutely a Psyker.

It's also been mentioned many times, in many threads, on many sites, that ALL Primarchs had some psychic attunement, but only a few of them could actually use it.

 gorgon wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.

I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.

It was when they were battling the psychneuein on Prospero. The Khan was able to psychically charge his blade or something to destroy them. He also has some internal dialogue about how all the primarchs are psykers, even ones like Angron and Mortarion.

Just finished reading Scars, and it wasn't clear if it was Khan doing it, something Magnus did or something else.

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
Long story short, magnus has an army with him simply to feed his crazed warpcharge addiction.

I think it's at the high end of stupidly good, but not broken.
30k has issues with psykers to begin with due to having limited numbers of them in armies, and most of which don't do a lot.

Due to having a low number of psykers, the defence against it really wasn't needed before as it was nothing special.
This however can given it a pretty nasty shake.

I've seen the more competitive players scouring ebay for sisters of silence to try and cut down the damage.




While I'm no fluff nut, isn't sanguinius also a pretty strong psyker? (Not as strong as magnus though)
This kind of makes me edgy about what's to come.

Then you have the emperor, in a talon list where nearly half the units shut down psykers altogether lol.

I don't think Sanguinius was, but I know the Khan was.

The Khan isn't a psyker?

Edit: well, all the Primarchs were innately psychic beings to some extent, but the Khan isn't a psyker in the traditional sense.

Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.

And ironically Mortarion as well.

For what it's worth, both the Proteus Las Lance and Adrathic Exterminator aren't available to units yet.

The Adrathic Exterminator will be a heavy turret upgrade that's been shown from weekender pics on the Caladius chassis.

The last Lance is a pretty welcome weapon though depending on what they give it to.





Jetbike have the ability to fire multiple weapons yet only have the bike mounted weapon and grenades.
It's believed this is for future releases.


The Misericordia is also believed to be the power dagger.
However, nothing has been shown to confirm this 100%
Considering its Latin for "mercy" though, it could go either way.

 gorgon wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.

I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.

It was when they were battling the psychneuein on Prospero. The Khan was able to psychically charge his blade or something to destroy them. He also has some internal dialogue about how all the primarchs are psykers, even ones like Angron and Mortarion.

There you go! That. I couldn't remember, been some time since I read it. Definitely a Psyker who can utilize powers in combat.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.

I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.

It was when they were battling the psychneuein on Prospero. The Khan was able to psychically charge his blade or something to destroy them. He also has some internal dialogue about how all the primarchs are psykers, even ones like Angron and Mortarion.

There you go! That. I couldn't remember, been some time since I read it. Definitely a Psyker who can utilize powers in combat.

That was right after talking to not-magnus, so he/it could have been the cause of it.$


Edit: Look, I know all the Primarchs have psychic potential, but Khan was NOT a Psyker, nor did he use psychic abilities AFAIK.

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.

I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.

It was when they were battling the psychneuein on Prospero. The Khan was able to psychically charge his blade or something to destroy them. He also has some internal dialogue about how all the primarchs are psykers, even ones like Angron and Mortarion.

There you go! That. I couldn't remember, been some time since I read it. Definitely a Psyker who can utilize powers in combat.

That was right after talking to not-magnus, so he/it could have been the cause of it.$


Edit: Look, I know all the Primarchs have psychic potential, but Khan was NOT a Psyker, nor did he use psychic abilities AFAIK.

Stop peddling your #alternativefacts!


Automatically Appended Next Post:

- Vyronii and Malinax transfers are done and send to the printers. We may see some Blood Bowl transfers down the line, but nothing is set in stone yet.

OMG OMG OMG!

From Lady Atia!

Pleased about the Bloodbowl transfers?!

About time!

DORN must be the next Primarch for sure now!

(heh heh!)

Jackal wrote:The Misericordia is also believed to be the power dagger.
However, nothing has been shown to confirm this 100%
Considering its Latin for "mercy" though, it could go either way.

Just for reference, IRL, a Misericorde is a dagger - typically a stilleto or rondel that was plunged through an incapicitated Knight's eye slits or punched up into exposed joints such as an armpit to finish him off or 'put him out of his misery' if you like. You can pretty much bet that if Misericordia is mentioned, it's gonna be the dagger.

Vorian wrote:
Pleased about the Bloodbowl transfers?!

Actually, yes. Though clearly not the primary reason for my glee.

Though BB decals may be too late for me, as I have my two teams started and I am using a mix of 40k and BB box set decals for them. C'est la vie.

 RiTides wrote:
Nice work, Knockagh!

thanks, but sadly I can't take full credit! Local sign maker routed it, its about a foot tall and for game by club prize. I want to keep it big style, it's awesome. I put up some other pics in my gallery.

Warpig - makes sense then bud, cheers.

Give what the use is of the dagger IRL and that it's Latin for mercy that makes it fairly certain.
Just hoping it performs as a power dagger.

is it true that Valdor is primarch level in terms of rules (not talking about fluff)

LightKing wrote:
is it true that Valdor is primarch level in terms of rules (not talking about fluff)

You see the leaks? I wouldn't fear any other footslogging HQ ever outside him.

He isn't primarch level by any means.

However, if you plan on killing him in combat I'd recommend throwing one at him.
He is one hell of a combat character.

Resilient, great stats and amazing damage output.
Also gives custodes free transponders so you can deepstrike them for free, rather than paying for them.

All this for under 300.






Edit: The only real downside I see is people will throw him in a unit with upgrades, which is going to be a fair chunk of points.

With 5 custodes (spear) the units damage output is stupidly high however, meaning most things you fight will be severe overkill.
In a trial game against a friends iron hands they tore through a 10 man breaches team, 20 man tac and a talon of 2 contemptors.

As long as he stays in combat he tends to kill most things with ease and be safe from shooting.
Unfortunately I couldn't get to ferrus though as I buried him in shield custodes and a unit of jetbikes.

Either way, unless the character can strike before him and kill him that turn, there's a good chance he will just outright kill them.