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So these days most entertainment seems to be re-makes or unimaginative cash grabs that wear a mask of a once beloved franchise and have none of the creativity. We get the same series over and over again. A lot of it re-hashes the same political talking points (and probably does it poorly) without something new or fresh up to the point smashing old tropes have made newer tropes. Anything halfway decent becomes milked dry and over-saturates the market like way back when space marine shooting games with grey metal corridors were in fashion, ww2 shooters were everywhere, isekai became too over-done and other such things.

I just can't get myself excited in entertainment anymore. Oh boy another franchise that's had it's last movie 15-20 years ago and already passed its 3rd movie so will likely be absolute crap. Oh man a movie that's had like 6, 9 or more movies after the point was already hammered home and fully delivered after the first or 2nd movie.

Even the comedy feels bland and unimaginative.

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I keep wanting to enjoy entertainment but everything is so lacking in substance or action or comedy or anything at all that i'm getting so frustrated i might make my own Tabletop Game and see where it goes. I want it to be really unique. I just don't know if i can but i'm so bored out of my skull i might have to. Most entertainment i consume just feels so hollow, fake and dry now and then it comes with a super inflated price tag and a multi-billion dollar company on the label.

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I suppose one of my biggest issues is i want entertainment to entertain me. I want characters to have a sensible purpose and goals which includes the bad guys and their goals and purpose. I want new content with new ideas that people generally don't think about these days. I want emotions backed up by understandable reasons and actions and consequences that make sense for the characters in a story. If we're gonna do something in the movie or game give us a sensible reason to do it where possible. Also remember character should have more than one interest or aspect to themselves. I can understand not fleshing out side characters much but it's so crappy when even the main characters feel unrelatable, unlikeable or have as much depth as paper.

Anyway i dunno. Maybe i'm asking too much these days and i've just gotten old and bored due to over-consumption of entertainment. Perhaps both things are an issue.

What do all of you guys think? Do you agree or disagree with things i've said? Let me know.

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I suppose one of my biggest issues is i want entertainment to entertain me. I want characters to have a sensible purpose and goals which includes the bad guys and their goals and purpose. I want new content with new ideas that people generally don't think about these days. I want emotions backed up by understandable reasons and actions and consequences that make sense for the characters in a story. If we're gonna do something in the movie or game give us a sensible reason to do it where possible. Also remember character should have more than one interest or aspect to themselves. I can understand not fleshing out side characters much but it's so crappy when even the main characters feel unrelatable, unlikeable or have as much depth as paper.


Not going to lie, this seems to be the weirdest time in the last 50 or so years to be making this complaint.

Even children's shows today have more depth in this regard than anything produced for mainstream adult audiences in the 80s and 90s. Its very common- if you can't find _anything_ in the entire realm of entertainment, it sounds like a 'you' problem.

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Gonna have to echo Voss here. I feel like we're absolutely spoiled nowadays for entertainment. There's so much good stuff out there I don't have time to watch it all.
   
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Yup. Bare minimum, Shang Chi just came out. With characters with believable motivations, incredibly well choreographed fights, good guys and bad guys with sensible goals, and pretty much everything in your paragraph about what you want.


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When did the last epic film come out that wasn't part of an established IP? Dunkirk? And before that? There have been barely any blockbuster-level live-action films in the last decade that weren't an adaptation or part of an otherwise established IP. Theatres are dominated by MCU, DCEU, and animated films. These movies are generally servicable, but repetitive and not for everyone.

It's the same issue with television.
Star Trek: Discovery and Picard aren't as good as previous Star Trek series.
MCU series are decent, but again, not for everyone.
I can't speak to any western animation, because outside of Invincible I generally really dislike the artstyles employed.
Oh, and Invincible and The Boys aren't MCU, but they are more of the super-hero genre and some people are sick to death of that.
The Mandalorian was good, but again, it's more of a pre-existing series.

Game of Thrones was decent/good for a few years, but it's over (and ended poorly).

The only critically-acclaimed, audience loved, live-action series that I can think of (that isn't tied into a larger IP) is The Expanse, and that's another adaptation. I guess Black Mirror would count.

A24 is producing good movies at least.

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Could you be experiencing burn-out or depression?

   
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Seconding the inquiry of burn-out. Maybe a break from movies and such might be helpful?

You mentioned creating your own tabletop game. Sounds like an awesome idea! Why not give it a shot and see where it spins?

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 trexmeyer wrote:
When did the last epic film come out that wasn't part of an established IP?

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A24 is producing good movies at least.


The Green Knight would be the last film. Before that would have been Tenet? The pandemic through off a lot of things.


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I don't know if Tenet fits the bill for an epic, but The Green Knight certainly doesn't. That's a very small scale film.

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 trexmeyer wrote:
I don't know if Tenet fits the bill for an epic, but The Green Knight certainly doesn't. That's a very small scale film.
Its an epic in the very classic sense of a hero going on the Heroes Journey encountering fantastical elements like literal giants, ghosts, and an immortal knight monster man.

Epic is a genre of narrative defined by heroic or legendary adventures presented in a long format.[1][2] Originating in the form of epic poetry,[3][4] the genre also now applies to epic theatre, epic films, music, novels, stage play, television series, and video games.[4] Scholars argue that 'the epic' has long since become "disembedded" from its origins in oral poetry.[5]

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I recommend turning off the TV set. I went through a similar thing with TV shows and movies. Another thing is that I don't read articles about or look at internet discussions of movies and TV, either. There are way too many people out there picking apart every little detail looking for "plot holes" to drive internet views. However, they've usually only found continuity errors. That said, I still don't watch nearly as many movies or TV shows that I used to.

I'm currently going through the same thing with video games.



   
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 Lance845 wrote:
 trexmeyer wrote:
I don't know if Tenet fits the bill for an epic, but The Green Knight certainly doesn't. That's a very small scale film.
Its an epic in the very classic sense of a hero going on the Heroes Journey encountering fantastical elements like literal giants, ghosts, and an immortal knight monster man.

Epic is a genre of narrative defined by heroic or legendary adventures presented in a long format.[1][2] Originating in the form of epic poetry,[3][4] the genre also now applies to epic theatre, epic films, music, novels, stage play, television series, and video games.[4] Scholars argue that 'the epic' has long since become "disembedded" from its origins in oral poetry.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_(genre)


You snipped out the part about scope.
Epic films are a style of filmmaking with large scale, sweeping scope, and spectacle.


The Green Knight is arguably an epic poem, but it doesn't translate into an epic film IMO.

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Are you sure you are looking in the right places for entertainment or getting out of your comfort zone?
For example, I would have never picked up centaurworld if It wasn't recommended by someone I trusted but didn't have the same tastes.(you all need to watch centaurworld, it's not what you think it is)
Go looking for stuff, you never know what you might find

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 trexmeyer wrote:
I don't know if Tenet fits the bill for an epic, but The Green Knight certainly doesn't. That's a very small scale film.


Both among the worst movies I've ever seen.

I understand the OP's feeling and I somehow agree. I mean mainstream movies/tv series/videogames are exactly like that, pure cash grab. But there's a lot of stuff with huge depth.


 
   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Could you be experiencing burn-out or depression?


This was my first thought, too. Usually if I stop finding something I know is fun, fun, then that's a really good sign that I'm hitting a depressive episode. Take care of yourself, OP.

That said, idk, it kind of depends just how this burnout is hitting you. If contemporary popcorn films aren't doing it for you, I'd suggest trying stuff outside your comfort zone. When you mentioned modern media being dominated by re-fried movies from the last 50 years, while I kind of agree with you, one of my current favorite franchises - the Korean Kingdom series - absolutely isn't that. While it's really solidly in the 'unplug brain, have fun' spectrum, it's also gorgeously stylish, the set design and costuming is absolutely world-class, and it manages to meld intrigue with creepyness wonderfully, without being too pretentious to just fully lean into kitsch Korean horror.
It might just be that between Hollywood reckoning with the advent of streaming supremacy, and then also the pandemic really throwing a spanner in the works on top of that, that you've consumed all of the cinema from (I'm assuming, pardon me if I'm wrong) the Anglophone film industry. If you try broadening your horizons a little, and you might have more fun? What's big in Indian cinema right now? What has happened in domestically-made Chinese film in the last 25 years? You ever checked out those hoity-toity French films from like the 60s that all the hipster girls who smoke clover cigarettes always seem to like? Post-war Japanese gangster flicks? British indie cinema? Challenge yourself! You never know, you might accidentally find something utterly brilliant.
Alternately, it never hurts to look at what influenced the movie makers you like best. Often, film makers are real nerds, and have a huge list of favorite film makers that the vast majority of us have never heard of.

Another thing to bear in mind is... interests just change sometimes. For like, more than the last 10 years, I was a HUGE music nerd, constantly listening to new stuff, making music, reading about musicians, chewing over theory and history, wondering what makes a pop song good, going to shows, and then, like the last 3 or so years? I just stopped.
That's not to say I don't listen to music anymore, and if anything, I'm listening to a broader range of music now than I was then, but... nothing hits me the same way anymore, or at least, not as often
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I listened to The Weakerthans' Saga of a Cat Named Virtue and boy oh boy that got me good
as it used to. I rarely pick up my guitar anymore. It feels really weird, because it was such a huge part of who I was, and who I understood myself to be, and then suddenly it just wasn't.

But that's not a bad thing, unless you feel like it is. As music stepped out of my life, I was already developing new hobbies. I got super into photography, and as much as my best pictures are all on digital, I love film the best. Photography took me to art museums, and now that scruffy punk teen who thumbed his nose at the art establishment actually really likes theory, composition, and the minutiae of anatomy. He even has favorite painters!
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I still think the impressionists are boring though. feth Monet.


Change can be scary, but it can also be a growth thing, and that's sometimes good. It's fine to feel frustrated about stuff you like - you like it, it makes you happy, there's an emotional investment there. Sometimes, like Bob says, losing interest in something you know you like can be a warning sign about your overall mental health. But at the same time, maybe you just need to try something else? Idk, hope this helped! Interesting thread! If you, or anyone else ever wants to talk mental health stuff, my DMs are open!

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Tomorrow’s War is a big budget action film not based on any really established IP. I found it to be entertaining.

It’s a matter of opinion, but I think Discovery stands up quite well to TNG. it’s a grittier take on the franchise, but I like it.

Disney have released Soul, Raya and Luca recently, and Zootopia a bit further back.

Cinema recently has been dominated by Star Wars and MCU, but there are other things out there.

If you want to watch basically the best thing ever go find Hey Duggee. It’s animation for young children, but it is basically the best programme ever made

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There’s just so much content.

Any given person is unlikely to enjoy the vast majority of it.

This leads to the impression that virtually all of it is garbage.

Of course, a large amount of it probably is pretty dire.

But there is also a significant portion that somebody, just not you or I, finds enjoyable.

Contributing to the impression that “everything is worse” is many of the most famous of rebooted franchises (e.g., Star Wars, Star Trek) being truly God awful in significant ways.

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 trexmeyer wrote:
When did the last epic film come out that wasn't part of an established IP? Dunkirk? And before that? There have been barely any blockbuster-level live-action films in the last decade that weren't an adaptation or part of an otherwise established IP. Theatres are dominated by MCU, DCEU, and animated films. These movies are generally servicable, but repetitive and not for everyone.

It's the same issue with television.
Star Trek: Discovery and Picard aren't as good as previous Star Trek series.
MCU series are decent, but again, not for everyone.
I can't speak to any western animation, because outside of Invincible I generally really dislike the artstyles employed.
Oh, and Invincible and The Boys aren't MCU, but they are more of the super-hero genre and some people are sick to death of that.
The Mandalorian was good, but again, it's more of a pre-existing series.

Game of Thrones was decent/good for a few years, but it's over (and ended poorly).

The only critically-acclaimed, audience loved, live-action series that I can think of (that isn't tied into a larger IP) is The Expanse, and that's another adaptation. I guess Black Mirror would count.

A24 is producing good movies at least.


Well Dunkirk is just a poor remake of a much better B/W film by a (IMO) very weak director but putting that aside and having several friends with depression - this sounds like exactly the same thing they report when I speak to them - they just can't anything they want to watch and things they know they should enjoy - they don't/can't.

We have so much choice now - in genre, in ways to watch things, in access anytime and in creators both proffessional and amuteur.

Even in franschises like the MCU - the films are IMO exremely well crafted and full of excellent and variable characters.

Game of Thrones started well but ended badly and that was sad for many many of us - there are plenty of exqually good fantsy shows (often with much lower budgets telling interesting stories.

The Zombie theme is said to be "old and tired" by soem but there are plenty of quality variations compare Walking Dead to I Zombie to Black Summer to Z Nation.

Superheor shows are the same - Black Lightning is my favourite of these with a great story and characters plus plenty of poltical commentary whereas others are darker (Boys), fluffier (Stargirl, most DCU), wierder (Umbrella Accademy) whatever you want.

Comedies - - new Season of Archer is out, enjoying Ghosts on BBC

I have not got time to watch all the shows I enjoy....

Maybe take some time for yourself and see if there is anything else thats really causing you to feel bad....

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Comedies? What We Do In The Shadows is superb.

There’s a new series of American Horror Story too, a show I absolutely adore, even if the seasons are somewhat uneven (Roanoke took a couple of watches, but Hotel is my absolute favourite).

But I’d like to echo the concerns of other posters that you might be experiencing depression. As a long time sufferer myself, I urge you to talk to your Doctor, as support is out there.

Other than that? We’re literally spoiled for choice these days. Streaming has opened up our entertainment options like never before. We can enjoy brand new content (Only Murders in the Building is great), and still comfort binge old favourites, as well as discovering classics from yesteryear.

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As you get older, more and more stuff will seem like something you've seen before. It might be worth seeing the reactions of people who are genuinely new to whatever you're fed up with to recapture that first time awe.

I remember the pre-X-Men superhero movies. I remember old kid's cartoons. I remember pre-LOTR fantasy movies (the very few that you could find). We're in the Golden Age right now.

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Went through a major depressive episode last year and felt like this a lot of the time. Hope you're just bored and it's not the onset of something like that, wouldn't wish it on you.

   
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 trexmeyer wrote:
When did the last epic film come out that wasn't part of an established IP? Dunkirk? And before that? There have been barely any blockbuster-level live-action films in the last decade that weren't an adaptation or part of an otherwise established IP. Theatres are dominated by MCU, DCEU, and animated films. These movies are generally servicable, but repetitive and not for everyone.



I'm sorry, but I really had to laugh out loud at this. Using Dunkirk as an example of something not in an "established IP"? I'm pretty sure that, at this point, World War II is very well established.
But, this does help make a good point. How many epic war movies do you have to see before they all start to feel the same? When you're younger, and everything is still a new experience, it's easier to enjoy things as they are. As you get older, and see/read/hear more stuff, you start to recognize the tropes and the archetypes, and things can start to feel the same.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:


I'm sorry, but I really had to laugh out loud at this. Using Dunkirk as an example of something not in an "established IP"? I'm pretty sure that, at this point, World War II is very well established.


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What an incredibly rude response.

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I suppose things i've enjoyed in the past would include Psycho-Pass and i suppose Berserk (the anime), Monster (anime) or Parasyte (another anime).

I think i tend to prefer more serious or philosophical things or things that deal with fairly serious questions. I've never read Dune or Starship Troopers but both sound like they could be up my alley.

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As far as stories i'd personally make there's one i wanted to make that kind of criticized both main political parties at the cost of the citizens with political corruption and disenfranchising of the average citizen that eventually a Caesar-like individual comes into being after he sees everything he once believed in to seem like a total sham. Eventually he goes from semi-normal to a dude that starts committing nuclear genocide near book's end. He basically pulls out at the end after a matter of personal conscience but he gets betrayed and killed and his power seized. It's kind of tragic for everybody involved. It's more a story to tell everybody IRL to calm the feth down and settle things down a bit if you don't want things to end violently and horribly.

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Another story is about a guy in some made up world (it's not a fantasy world) that's similar to probably the 1800s to early 1900s in technology level and he basically gets recruited after his town suffers at the hands of an enemy army only to later find out the group he sides with has its own skeletons in the closet. The end has him saving somebody from being raped and killing the friendly soldiers responsible only to be tried and sentenced to firing squad. Part of the idea was the actual history varies from written history and what the books choose to remember or are authorized to remember.

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The tabletop game i wanted to make was about biker gangs in hell. This one i think i've decided will be more light hearted but include sex, violence and 80s rock n roll with demons and bikes and they war over territory in hell trying to claim ownership of hell. Over-the-top and silly dark parodies of the Real World are common. I'm probably gonna keep it less serious so people have fun.

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Final story idea i had was about people and their families getting abducted and put into psychological experiments (often times ending with them killing each other). By the end of the story it ends up governments and companies use these psychological experiments in order to learn the masses in order to control them. Some do it to prevent things like mass genocide and others do it to help themselves. Ofc the idea one of the Good Guys says is that people are corruptible and the leaders that think they know the best for others are willing to sacrifice others but never themselves or their own families for the betterment of society. Also people are flawed and a lot of the experiments might not be correct and they're for an end that is unknown but the known is they're committing real mass death in the here and now.

The Bad Guy convinces himself and tries to convince others he only is trying to help society from another genocide and is one of those "Ends Justify the Means" types. Ofc all of this is happening somewhat in secret so the abducted people are in lower income neighborhoods and the ones in power use money, influence and connections to prevent police from investigations. It's basically about shady as a certain scummy individual being found hung in a jail cell for "Suicide" when things didn't add up to that.

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Oh and i think another story was about a guy that goes psychotic but it ends up he tries to show people how fake and superficial society has become and that we only care about the most worthless of things rather than our family, mental or physical disorders, homelessness, love, death, etc. Meanwhile we focus on who is best at sex, hashtag activism (without putting in the physical labor in person) and so on. Basically people being shells of a normal functioning person.

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I suppose part of my issue with entertainment is the depth of the story is about as thin as cardboard. It's not like Deus Ex, the Manchurian Candidate or other great stories.

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You might want to give Overlord a try- the anime, not the movie. It really does a great job of a villain with no regards for human life trying to be a hero- for their own ends.

Otherwise it sounds like you're looking for high concept, weird, philosophical shows. I'd highly recommend Altered Carbon- although you can stop after season 1, it's much more impressive than season 2.

Sense8 is a really interesting exploration of the reality of spontaneous telepathic connection with a cluster of 8 individuals. Very, very strange and unique.

I bounced off of it, but the OA may be another one to explore.

edit- Oh, and I can't believe I forgot it- The Magicians. Imagine a school for witchcraft and wizardry, but it's actually a college, and every attempt to use magic to fix their problems inevitably ends up creating further problems and complications. It's a complex world, where the characters are allowed to fail, and has a great cast of deeply flawed individuals.

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You're not the only one who feels that way, OP. A lot of previously dependable sources of entertainment have soured for me over the past five years. Staples like Star Trek, Star Wars, and Doctor Who have significantly worsened for me and the fragmentation of newer properties via streaming means I'm not watching many of them. The ones I do watch and somewhat enjoy on prime/Netflix tend to have the double whammy of shortened seasons AND longer gaps inbetween. I suppose I'll have a ton to catch up on it I ever sub to hbomax and Disney again.

And that's before considering the pandemic and family health problems that put a damper on my other sources of entertainment like movie going and in person gaming.

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@trexmeyer: I have heard The Expanse was good. I'm guessing i'd need a streaming service to watch it though.

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Part of my issue with entertainment is over-saturation. For instance since my sister lives in Los Angeles i asked if going to Disney Land so much now made the experience less impactful and fun for her and she said "Of course it does." Perhaps the issue is that we get so much of the same standard crap over and over it's just nothing i haven't seen before.

I think there's a SMBC comic on this where an older man becomes bored with things due to age and then he tries to remember fun things as he did as a child and then dies from eating too much candy with diabetes.

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The amount of entertainment is bigger than it has ever been. There is so much out there that there is something for you.
Are you looking for entertainment? or are you looking for something to fill a void you have? OR are you looking for a new obsessions.
Because to me, it sounds like you are looking for something to fill a part of your life and impact your life

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:


I'm sorry, but I really had to laugh out loud at this. Using Dunkirk as an example of something not in an "established IP"? I'm pretty sure that, at this point, World War II is very well established.


I can't believe this needs to be said, but WW2 is not an intellectual property.
   
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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
 Tannhauser42 wrote:


I'm sorry, but I really had to laugh out loud at this. Using Dunkirk as an example of something not in an "established IP"? I'm pretty sure that, at this point, World War II is very well established.


I can't believe this needs to be said, but WW2 is not an intellectual property.

Obviously not, but it has been absolutely beaten to death as a topic, and reused over and over again in the most shallow and tropey ways.
Dunkirk wasn't a departure from anything, except reasonable volume control.

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