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I called my GW store earlier today, and asked about 8th edition, and they said they can't tell anyone anything 'till the 15th of june.

So that is bs, all he said he could do is tease customers and discuss it a bit, but no revealing it.

My GW source is pretty reliable so I'm more willing to believe him. I'm not naming names in case he did something stupid but this guy is pretty good about shutting up when the company tells him to and never spreads rumors, only reports what he's allowed to say (and even that is very rare). I think your GW is more likely not to have gotten the memo yet.

Someone on warseer has volunteered to do a sticky of the rumoured errata changes for 8th. I said I would pass on anything I heard, so if anyone does know anything just post here or pm me please.

Asked at the Bunker last week, and the local GW today- still no whiff of them running demo games. Today they told me it definitely won't be before June 15th, when the book should be up for pre-order and it'll be in there to look at.

I'm jealous of those who have stores running the demos!

Edit: Also, the info in the White Dwarf was a major disappointment- basically just an ad for the new edition, no substance at all! Need....... more........... info...!

Terrain effects (if true) would be bizzare and a bit dumb. Why would you eat a load of mushrooms upon entering a forest? Who in their right mind does this in the middle of a battle?

Night Goblins, for one.

RiTides wrote:Edit: Also, the info in the White Dwarf was a major disappointment- basically just an ad for the new edition, no substance at all! Need....... more........... info...!

Remember when WH40K 4th Edition came out, and the WD articles had almost a dozen new / changed rules revealed at least a month before the new edition was released? Remember when GW was secure enough in that what they were doing wasn't going to piss off their customers that they felt they could actually provide information? I miss those days. :(

RiTides wrote: Also, the info in the White Dwarf was a major disappointment- basically just an ad for the new edition, no substance at all! Need....... more........... info...!

I expected that much when an Australian GW official announced the biggest GW marketing campaign ever for a GW product. Which is: They don't deny its existence before preorder date

Kroothawk wrote:

RiTides wrote: Also, the info in the White Dwarf was a major disappointment- basically just an ad for the new edition, no substance at all! Need....... more........... info...!

I expected that much when an Australian GW official announced the biggest GW marketing campaign ever for a GW product. Which is: They don't deny its existence before preorder date

Even more amazing, they are allowing people in stores to hint at what may be in the rules. As well as, *gasp*, some confirmed information, like it being a big book! Truly GW is pulling no blows for this edition!

Does anyone know if GW is putting out their own line of dice? Sounds like it with the apparent rampant randomness these rumors indicate. I can just see it now:
Movement Dice
Terrain Effects Dice
Fighting In The Woods Dice
Casting a Spell Dice
Dispel Dice
Anything Else We can Think of to Sell Dice

All different! All prominently emblazoned with the Games Workshop Logo! (un)Reasonably priced!

Demogerg wrote:Night Goblins, for one.

I said "right mind"

Flashman wrote:

Demogerg wrote:Night Goblins, for one.

I said "right mind"

The right half of a dismembered Night Goblin?

Durzod wrote:Does anyone know if GW is putting out their own line of dice? Sounds like it with the apparent rampant randomness these rumors indicate. I can just see it now:
Movement Dice
Terrain Effects Dice
Fighting In The Woods Dice
Casting a Spell Dice
Dispel Dice
Anything Else We can Think of to Sell Dice

All different! All prominently emblazoned with the Games Workshop Logo! (un)Reasonably priced!

You're about 4-6 years too late for this joke's translation to reality. Remember the 40K Vehicle Damage Dice(in collectible tins for 4 DIFFERENT RACES!) and Apocalypse Big Gun Dice?

I was trying until you reminded me. Thanks a lot, Gilligan!

Flashman wrote:

Demogerg wrote:Night Goblins, for one.

I said "right mind"

Whos to say they aren't the sane ones, and we are all crazy?

its all relative/based on perspective.

A huge list of updates I will try and copy into the first post tommorow. I did some tiny typo corrections that are not in the list below:


You have to take a minimum of 3 units, not including characters.

If you are playing games over 3000pts with allied forces, one general has to be nominated as the Grand General, who increases his leadership radius to 18".

Chaos Dwarfs are not in the book.

Failed Charge
• I think you only move the result of the D6's you rolled, you do not add on your basic movement.

Fliers
• While fleeing or pursuing, they move 3D6"

Reforming
• In the Remaining Moves phase, a unit with a musician may reform for free, as long as the unit passes a leadership test. You can shoot, but count as moving.

• Charging Skirmishers, you line up to them, not them to you.
• Skirmishers are NOT stubborn in a forest. I think this is Wood Elves only.

Lost Control chart:

Another result: All your wizards take a Str 6 hit with no armor saves
11-12 result: Your caster lose d3 wizard levels, and forgets that many spells.


Bound spells
• Bound spells are cast like normal spells now, but instead of your caster's power level, you add the level of the magic item. They do not roll on the Loss of Control table, the items are just destroyed if they roll the double 6. Bound abilities like the warrior priests they just forget the spell.

Lore of Fire

Special Bonus: If the enemy suffered a wound from a fire lore spell earlier this magic phase, the casting costs of Lore of Fire spells on the same target is lowered by d3, cumulative.

Lore of Metal
Basic Spell (name): D6 flaming hits, No armor saves allowed. casting value 10

Lore of Beasts
(name). Caster Buff. The level 6 beast spell has 2 (possibly 3 casting values). The caster BECOMES the creature, not summoned on any board edge etc.

At 16+
Mountain Chimera
S7 T7 W10, Fly, 4D6 attacks! complexity is 24. mage has to be on foot. Remains in play.


20+
Greater Fire Dragon
WS8 S8 T8 W8 A8 Ld9, breathweapon S5, scaly skin 2+, terror, fly. mage has to be on foot. Remains in play

Something for a Hydra as well, I don’t know any more about this.

Lore of Heavens
• 'Something' Razor (not sure of the name). Unit Buff. The units strength are their Ld stat.
• Several levels of Comet. It scales up.

Lore of Life

Special Bonus: Every time the caster successfully casts a spell from the Lore of Life he can restore a wound to one model within 12”

• Basic spell: Shooting -1 to hit modifier and -1 leadership. If the enemy didn’t use BS they are 4+ to shoot. 7+

Forest Lord: Magic missile attack to any enemy unit within 18" of a forest. Or D6 strength 5 hits or 2d6 strength 5 hits to a unit in the forest.

Regeneration (name?): Unit Buff. Regeneration (6+) to one unit within 12”

Master of Stone: Unit Buff. +2 Toughness to one unit. Casting value 8

Regrowth (name?). Unit Buff. One unit regains D3+1 wounds/models, just like invocation (champ first, then musician/standard, then rank and file. Characters are selected separately)

Throne of Vines: Caster Buff. If this is successfully cast it increases the effect of other lore of life spells made by the caster: Regeneration becomes 5+, Master of Stone becomes +4 Toughness!!!, Forest Lord all hits become Strength 6, Regrowth regains D6+1 wounds. Something for the 6th spell as well.

I heard something about an immunity to miscast on a 2+ for the lore of life, but I don’t know if this is their 6th spell, a remains in play caster buff.

Stone Thrower
• Reduced to S3(9), armour saves are allowed.


Make Way
• After charges, before even impact hits are done, a champion can move to the front of the attacked rank.


One Save..
I'm just going to move this back here again for now. Armour saves as normal, then either Ward Saves OR regeneration. This is coming from 1 person who has read the book, and another who has been very reliable in the past.

Crush them! or Stomp, one of these names. 1 rank only

Quick to Fire
• Pistols, thrown weapons, and blowpipes Dont suffer the -1 to hit while moving. These are also the only weapons you can stand and shoot with if the enemy charges you from within their basic movement range.


Fear and Terror: It may be you get to keep your full amount of attacks.

Frenzy
What I am hearing about this is that if the enemy is within Movement +12”, you have to take a leadership test. If you fail, you have to attack the closest target.

Mounts no longer are granted frenzy/hated/etc from riders.


Magic Resistance
• It seems magic resistance does not work at all against Curses (or Hexes), only against magic missiles, direct damage and power whirls.

Strider..(insert type of terrain)
• A new special rule. This allows you to treat the type of terrain in brackets as open terrain. For instance Strider (Forests). There is a plain Strider that allows you to treat everything as open terrain (presumably not buildings).

Regeneration
Flaming attacks play a much bigger role. People with flaming weapons cause Fear in War Beasts (hounds etc), chariots, and Monsters. When you have regeneration and are wounded by flaming attacks, you lose regeneration until the next phase (combat to combat for example).


Magic Items
Scarecrow: Banner. 5 Points, makes the unit cause fear to flyers.
(name?): Banner. Plain Strider, which means you ignore all terrain (except buildings I think).
Dispel Scroll: As normal.

There are some other Scrolls I keep hearing about, but I don't know the full details yet:
4+ ward against wounds done by the spell used.
Irresistible force on every double.
Something about turning someone into a frog..

Terrain
Cavalry treat all non-open terrain as Dangerous Terrain

Karon wrote:I called my GW store earlier today, and asked about 8th edition, and they said they can't tell anyone anything 'till the 15th of june.

So that is bs, all he said he could do is tease customers and discuss it a bit, but no revealing it.

Which means they know nowt. But even then, the Interwebs probably know less.

Trust nothing until you have the book in hand.

The one save thing is pretty nice, sounds like they are combining regeneration from 6th and 7th edition also. 6th edition once you got hit by a flaming attack you lost regen, now it just stops regen from being taken for that attack...

The frenzy thing doesnt make a lot of sense to me. Taking frenzied units is already dangerous, especially against a competent opponent. Ive had my plague furnace not do a thing cause it was run all over the board by fast calvary...

Grimstonefire wrote:A huge list of updates

No kidding!

Grimstonefire wrote:Something about turning someone into a frog..

A Bloodthirster of Khorne appears!

I use Frog curse!

*squish*

It's super effective!

Guys. Seriously. I'm in a position to know more, and I know *nothing*.

Rumours are rumours. Believe nothing until the book is in your hands.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Karon wrote:I called my GW store earlier today, and asked about 8th edition, and they said they can't tell anyone anything 'till the 15th of june.

So that is bs, all he said he could do is tease customers and discuss it a bit, but no revealing it.

Which means they know nowt. But even then, the Interwebs probably know less.

Trust nothing until you have the book in hand.

I meant that he does have the book in the store, and has read it 2-3 times, but he can't reveal anything but teasers to the customers.

Karon wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Karon wrote:I called my GW store earlier today, and asked about 8th edition, and they said they can't tell anyone anything 'till the 15th of june.

So that is bs, all he said he could do is tease customers and discuss it a bit, but no revealing it.

Which means they know nowt. But even then, the Interwebs probably know less.

Trust nothing until you have the book in hand.

I meant that he does have the book in the store, and has read it 2-3 times, but he can't reveal anything but teasers to the customers.

Karon, you do know MDG works at a GW store, right?

Wait, if any Tomb King rolls a double six for incantations they lose the incantation? That's... crap. I mean, I know it doesn't come up often, but that's still gak. It destroys a Casket of Souls one-in-36 uses, a lot lower if it uses 3D6 (I can't recall if a High Priest can use 3D6 or not).

EDIT: Reading more:
Stone Throwers are made S3 with no save modifiers? I mean, I know it's to counter the cheese Stone Throwers would become, but this counter almost does the reverse and makes them worthless. They'll only be useful in such a scenario against things with neither toughness nor saves - a typical Saurus unit is going to only lose one-in-six hit on average.

With Flaming changed, that's also reducing the effectiveness of some units. In this case, Trolls. Since Fire Attacks are going to be on the rise, Trolls are going to quickly lose their effectiveness as they go from 4+ save against most enemies to the tried & true "Brettonians fire single fire arrow now GO FORWARD TREBUCHETS & ALLIED BOLT-THROWERS!"

Show of hands: When you saw "Strider = Ignore Terrain", who didn't immediately imagine that someone from the WotR team had to go "They'll know we just copied it if we keep the name Pathfinder, what other names we have?"

Meh the regen thing kinda sucks, but back in 6th edition if they took a wound from a flaming attack they lost regen alltogether...

ShivanAngel wrote:Meh the regen thing kinda sucks, but back in 6th edition if they took a wound from a flaming attack they lost regen alltogether...

Huh, I forgot my reference to 6th Edition last post. My bad.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned Bretonnians specifically: Archer + Flaming Arrows = Turn 1 loss of Regen.

Platuan4th wrote:

Karon wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Karon wrote:I called my GW store earlier today, and asked about 8th edition, and they said they can't tell anyone anything 'till the 15th of june.

So that is bs, all he said he could do is tease customers and discuss it a bit, but no revealing it.

Which means they know nowt. But even then, the Interwebs probably know less.

Trust nothing until you have the book in hand.

I meant that he does have the book in the store, and has read it 2-3 times, but he can't reveal anything but teasers to the customers.

Karon, you do know MDG works at a GW store, right?

I did not.

I just want to be able to use my dogs of war models again...

The stonethrower piece makes sense, as not having to measure and no partials would make them way overpowered if they kept the current Str and no armor saves. Having it Str 9 under the hole works too, as that basically doesn't allow any armor saves anyways.

The magic phase has me somewhat worried, as alot of the spells seem really, really good. High casting values, but I guess that'll tie in with the whole "higher chance of losing control". I hope though that the .PDFs that are coming out for each army address some of the stuff though, as it would seem that lore of metal would be virtually useless against say a Steam Tank or High Elf Dragon Princes.

Quick question - is there a confirmation yet on if the # of choices is still the same (i.e. 4 specials allowed), or is it straight percentages with the "no more than 3 of the same kind of special"?

Still though - sounds interesting and not as bad as everyone was predicting.

Drake_Marcus wrote:I just want to be able to use my dogs of war models again...

You're not the only one...

So Lore of Beasts now lets you turn yourself into Chimeras and Dragons? O... K...