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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

Seriqolm wrote:

 Reality-Torrent wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
When you type Blue Table Painting review into google all you get is your video and some links from years ago.

Maybe the successfully pressure people into taking down negative reviews or maybe people don't bother out of shame. Maybe some thing they get a good deal.

Although there is this one from last year.

http://sistersofbattle.org/2013/07/blue-table-painting-review/

They resolved it, but it ends by saying not to use again.

http://sistersofbattle.org/2013/08/blue-table-painting-review-update/

Seem to me BTP and MWG claims that unsatisfied customers are very rare seem more and more like nothing but dirty lies.

Another one posted on Warseer by Wombone that mirrors Tenebre's experience

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400889-My-Blue-Table-Painting-Experience-with-Chaos-Dwarves/page21

Ugh, if it is true that Shawn is sharing private e-mail conversations with other clients that is absolutely disgusting and makes me question his business ethics even more than I have been with this commission.

Thats implying he had any to begin with

 Ustrello wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

Seriqolm wrote:

 Reality-Torrent wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
When you type Blue Table Painting review into google all you get is your video and some links from years ago.

Maybe the successfully pressure people into taking down negative reviews or maybe people don't bother out of shame. Maybe some thing they get a good deal.

Although there is this one from last year.

http://sistersofbattle.org/2013/07/blue-table-painting-review/

They resolved it, but it ends by saying not to use again.

http://sistersofbattle.org/2013/08/blue-table-painting-review-update/

Seem to me BTP and MWG claims that unsatisfied customers are very rare seem more and more like nothing but dirty lies.

Another one posted on Warseer by Wombone that mirrors Tenebre's experience

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400889-My-Blue-Table-Painting-Experience-with-Chaos-Dwarves/page21

Ugh, if it is true that Shawn is sharing private e-mail conversations with other clients that is absolutely disgusting and makes me question his business ethics even more than I have been with this commission.

Thats implying he had any to begin with

Touche!

Jeez, sharing client emails now?

Good thing it is just an "isolated case" innit, MWG?

 curran12 wrote:
Jeez, sharing client emails now?

Good thing it is just an "isolated case" innit, MWG?

I've said it before but MWG has been doing the slow circle around the drain since they started begging on kickstarter

For what it's worth, both BTP and MWG's YouTube channel subscriptions have only increased these past 30 days. People talking about unsubscribing and whatnot have not even had any effect.

http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/bluetablepainting
http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/miniwargaming

 Absolutionis wrote:
For what it's worth, both BTP and MWG's YouTube channel subscriptions have only increased these past 30 days. People talking about unsubscribing and whatnot have not even had any effect.

http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/bluetablepainting
http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/miniwargaming

Which isn't surprising, not everyone is on dakka or warseerer. I mean I am still subbed to MWG if only for the old world wars videos because ash actually has enthusiasm for the game and I enjoy seeing fantasy bat reps.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:



Ugh, if it is true that Shawn is sharing private e-mail conversations with other clients that is absolutely disgusting and makes me question his business ethics even more than I have been with this commission.

I'm not sure about the US, but I can tell you as an absolute fact that if he did such a thing in the UK he would be in breach of several privacy laws, including the data protection act, not only could Tenebre seek damages, BTP would be in court on criminal charges too.

NoggintheNog wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:



Ugh, if it is true that Shawn is sharing private e-mail conversations with other clients that is absolutely disgusting and makes me question his business ethics even more than I have been with this commission.

I'm not sure about the US, but I can tell you as an absolute fact that if he did such a thing in the UK he would be in breach of several privacy laws, including the data protection act, not only could Tenebre seek damages, BTP would be in court on criminal charges too.

I hope we have similar laws here. Any of Dakka's lawyers able to weigh in on whether or not BTP would be breaking US law by sharing client e-mails with other would-be clients?

A few more people coming out of the woodwork in that Warseer thread.

And sharing emails like that. Wow. Just... Wow.

According to Warseer, not just sharing them but selectively editing them before sharing them too.

Serious? Link?

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400889-My-Blue-Table-Painting-Experience-with-Chaos-Dwarves&p=7309226&viewfull=1#post7309226

 curran12 wrote:
Serious? Link?

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400889-My-Blue-Table-Painting-Experience-with-Chaos-Dwarves&p=7309176&viewfull=1#post7309176

anyone with info about more experiences or "sharing" etc please PM me or send them my way please.

So I guess for clarity I want to ask what was edited? Were individual emails just excluded or did BTP actively alter what tenebre said?

Seriqolm wrote:
Another one posted on Warseer by Wombone that mirrors Tenebre's experience

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?400889-My-Blue-Table-Painting-Experience-with-Chaos-Dwarves/page21

Jesus Christ... opening that link was like finding a can o' worms on one of the worms from this can o' worms. One filled with even deeper, thicker and darker layers of filth and corruption.

Is it time to add BTP to the same wall of shame as Redstarone?

 tenebre wrote:

The repainters have had the army 2 weeks.... yesterday I spoke with the artist . The time of that phone call was LONGER than all the communication from BTP the entire time.
And yes I will be showing off the work done as soon as possible. So far, I am stunned at how different the process is (for the better).

I will start a new thread for the repaint as i do not want to mix the discussions.

When I first read this, I thought you meant your army was sent back to BTP. I was about to call you a sell out.

When can we see pics of the army?

Surely posting those client emails is some kind of breach of privacy?

 whitedragon wrote:
Is it time to add BTP to the same wall of shame as Redstarone?

BTP is making RSO look like a noob.

 Lt. Coldfire wrote:

 whitedragon wrote:
Is it time to add BTP to the same wall of shame as Redstarone?

BTP is making RSO look like a noob.

Maybe Shawn has a "silent partner".....

And with the revelation of sharing private communications with potential new clients, Shawn has sunk to a new low.

This is absolutely dire and unethical business practice.

 tenebre wrote:


The repainters have had the army 2 weeks.... yesterday I spoke with the artist . The time of that phone call was LONGER than all the communication from BTP the entire time.
And yes I will be showing off the work done as soon as possible. So far, I am stunned at how different the process is (for the better).

I will start a new thread for the repaint as i do not want to mix the discussions.

This is good news!

I'm glad to see that you're getting the army you were after in the first place!

I look forward to seeing the 'rescued' miniatures, and I hope that whatever studio graciously offered to do this sees a serious uptick in their business thanks to this goodwill gesture - and their quality work too, of course!

 techsoldaten wrote:

 tenebre wrote:

The repainters have had the army 2 weeks.... yesterday I spoke with the artist . The time of that phone call was LONGER than all the communication from BTP the entire time.
And yes I will be showing off the work done as soon as possible. So far, I am stunned at how different the process is (for the better).

I will start a new thread for the repaint as i do not want to mix the discussions.

When I first read this, I thought you meant your army was sent back to BTP. I was about to call you a sell out.

When can we see pics of the army?

never sold out in my life

I hope to post a video next week. I will make a separate thread and try to do weekly updates on the progress of the new CDs. The artist totally gets my thoughts and energy so im not even a little bit worried. (and he calls me and talks to me and answers emails)

Can I ask who you used for the repaint?

NoggintheNog wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:



Ugh, if it is true that Shawn is sharing private e-mail conversations with other clients that is absolutely disgusting and makes me question his business ethics even more than I have been with this commission.

I'm not sure about the US, but I can tell you as an absolute fact that if he did such a thing in the UK he would be in breach of several privacy laws, including the data protection act, not only could Tenebre seek damages, BTP would be in court on criminal charges too.

When Tenebre made his 2nd video I was actually worried that one might hurt him because he was sharing correspondance publicly which might hurt any subsequent legal action, but I have no idea... I probably would have consulted a lawyer as soon as it was clear that BTP were just going to screw me around.

It's really a shame that people don't do reviews of their commissioned models more often. It's so damned expensive and if BTP have had 8000 projects surely more of them would have done reviews. I'm not even just saying BAD reviews, but even people who are happy if they posted reviews with lots of close up shots it'd let people in the market for commission painters actually get an idea what they might be in for when commissioning a company. If at the same time people did more reviews of other commission painters that weren't BTP, I have a feeling that would hurt their business more than anything because people would see the quality available from other commission painters.

TL;DR, people need to do more reviews of stuff

 curran12 wrote:
Jeez, sharing client emails now?

Good thing it is just an "isolated case" innit, MWG?

If I'm not mistaken, BTP advertises on MWG, which mean literally any criticism of them might be grounds for breach of contract. I rather like MWG, so I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt at least. After closing shop I'm sure they don't have the operating budget to be burning bridges with sponsors right now. Kind of a rock and a crud place.

 lobbywatson wrote:
Can I ask who you used for the repaint?

dont worry saving it to show the work they did with their name together

I'd believe that not given the way MWG has handled this situation. Matt is giving the full appearance of dismissing tenebre and his issues and doing everything they can to help BTP whitewash the event.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

NoggintheNog wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:



Ugh, if it is true that Shawn is sharing private e-mail conversations with other clients that is absolutely disgusting and makes me question his business ethics even more than I have been with this commission.

I'm not sure about the US, but I can tell you as an absolute fact that if he did such a thing in the UK he would be in breach of several privacy laws, including the data protection act, not only could Tenebre seek damages, BTP would be in court on criminal charges too.

When Tenebre made his 2nd video I was actually worried that one might hurt him because he was sharing correspondance publicly which might hurt any subsequent legal action, but I have no idea... I probably would have consulted a lawyer as soon as it was clear that BTP were just going to screw me around.

It's really a shame that people don't do reviews of their commissioned models more often. It's so damned expensive and if BTP have had 8000 projects surely more of them would have done reviews. I'm not even just saying BAD reviews, but even people who are happy if they posted reviews with lots of close up shots it'd let people in the market for commission painters actually get an idea what they might be in for when commissioning a company. If at the same time people did more reviews of other commission painters that weren't BTP, I have a feeling that would hurt their business more than anything because people would see the quality available from other commission painters.

TL;DR, people need to do more reviews of stuff

Agreed! i planned to do a review positively. I find it odd no one else reviews their commissions done by them if there are that many.

Also privacy laws protect the private citizen not the company in this case. (yes i verified i could make that video before i did it)