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It really has always been comic book level nonsense. But comic books have gotten much dumber lately.

And yes, the Imperial Fist guy still looks really stupid with a helmet on. So it's not just the head.

Imp Fist guy looks like he’s taking a dump in his Gravis armor. Especially Insaniak’s edit.

Galef wrote:Details I noticed and like:
-Adrax's shin plate are solid, including the knees. We haven't seen this for Primaris.
-His hammer is rounded, which gives it a more 'artisan" look compared to the blocky, unrefined look of the square hammers

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I love the hammer, it's very MKIII-esque

Platuan4th wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
If you have to explain who he is to a grey beard like HBMC or me, he most assuredly isn't.

Or HBMC is a little out of touch with the fluff from the past five years?

Not exactly surprising considering most of the fluff in the last 5 years has been god awful comic book level nonsense :p Anyway, he's not a big deal because he never had a model.

40K fluff has always been comic book level nonsense, it's only your nostalgia filter that makes you think otherwise.

I believe the term is memberberries.

Platuan4th wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

40K fluff has always been comic book level nonsense, it's only your nostalgia filter that makes you think otherwise.

Well yes, but it used to be much better comic book level nonsense!

Hells Angels Space Dwarves were once a thing, so not really.

That describes my RT army. Bikes n Trikes were sooooooooooooooo much fun.

I love both these new characters, that Salamander is amazing.

Quasistellar wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
If you have to explain who he is to a grey beard like HBMC or me, he most assuredly isn't.

Or HBMC is a little out of touch with the fluff from the past five years?

Ok, let me revise. Anybody who has been pulled out of GW's arse less than 5 years ago isn't a big deal.

Maybe you need to take a break from playing with plastic toy soldiers.

What a curious non sequitur.

How does the fisty bloke work is pipboy with that huge hand?

Carefully.

I don’t know that I super care for the Salamanders guy due to how overwrought his armor is. Like he almost doesn’t look like a Primaris or share a lot of their design elements other than the hips.

I like 'em both... I even like the mockup with two bunkerbuster-fists.

Maybe there's something completely wrong with me

But I also hope, that Lysander is going to be the first Marine in Terminator V2 Armor.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
It really has always been comic book level nonsense. But comic books have gotten much dumber lately.

And yes, the Imperial Fist guy still looks really stupid with a helmet on. So it's not just the head.

There's a picture with a helmet? Where?

Nostromodamus wrote:How does the fisty bloke work is pipboy with that huge hand?

Via the neurological connection that all Space Marines have to their armour? Ie, controls it with his mind and the screen is just for visual readouts.

Galef wrote:Details I noticed and like:
-Adrax's shin plate are solid, including the knees. We haven't seen this for Primaris.
-His hammer is rounded, which gives it a more 'artisan" look compared to the blocky, unrefined look of the square hammers

I noticed these things too, and I really like the design of the armour. You can see the solid shinplate, even with the Primaris "lip," which is very very reminiscent of the Mk6 Corvus armour. You can also see the chestpiece with the cabling and central vent that is again, very reminiscent of Corvus armour

Solid shin plate is part of what I Don’t like about it, Because none of the other Primaris have it. Different shins, different abdomen, different chest, different shoulders, no helmet, he’s just Too different from the baseline Primaris design cues imho.

 AduroT wrote:
Solid shin plate is part of what I Don’t like about it, Because none of the other Primaris have it. Different shins, different abdomen, different chest, different shoulders, no helmet, he’s just Too different from the baseline Primaris design cues imho.

That would likely be a deliberate design choice to accentuate the artisan nature of Salamander's equipment.

 insaniak wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Solid shin plate is part of what I Don’t like about it, Because none of the other Primaris have it. Different shins, different abdomen, different chest, different shoulders, no helmet, he’s just Too different from the baseline Primaris design cues imho.

That would likely be a deliberate design choice to accentuate the artisan nature of Salamander's equipment.

Which would be cool if it was a few pieces, rather than the 90% different armor than every other Salamander.

When I saw that intercessors had seperate shin plate pieces I assumed that was to allow them to do chapter-specific ones. That would have been cool.

I have a crazy theory, that’s probably already been mentioned, but I think that Vulkan not getting a model is because he’s gunna die and the Primarch Vulkan is going to come back and take his relics back.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I have a crazy theory, that’s probably already been mentioned, but I think that Vulkan not getting a model is because he’s gunna die and the Primarch Vulkan is going to come back and take his relics back.

Unfortunately that is perfectly plausible.

Of course it's possible, but it's also possible they just wanted to give the salamanders a new character (in regards to the tabletop, not fluff). I think Adrax is easily the best of the new bunch, so either way I'm not complaining.

Vulkan might just return and want some of his stuff back, meaning He'stan shouldn't also have the same equipment and as such they're not releasing him as a primaris now just so they'll have to redo him in a couple of years.

Personally I'd love it if Vulkan came back but AFAIK the rumours about returning primarchs as of right now are Angron and Leman Russ. Vulkans amazing but hardly the most obvious one..

The fact that his armour is reminiscent of older marques could herald the implementation of the older marks being worn by Primaris marines and allowing GW to wipe out smol marines. Same can be said for the beaky helmets with RG.

Adrax is cool as hell I think.

 Crimson wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I have a crazy theory, that’s probably already been mentioned, but I think that Vulkan not getting a model is because he’s gunna die and the Primarch Vulkan is going to come back and take his relics back.

Unfortunately that is perfectly plausible.

I suggested it earlier and keep in mind I'm not even saying GW is PLANNING on doing it, but if they're even remotely considering it sometime in the next 10-15 years or so they might not want to commit to a plastic mini of another character named Vulkan to minimize confusion

The Salamander is cool. The Imperial Fist is a new level of stupid.

 Deadshot wrote:

Nostromodamus wrote:How does the fisty bloke work is pipboy with that huge hand?

Via the neurological connection that all Space Marines have to their armour? Ie, controls it with his mind and the screen is just for visual readouts.

That's ridiculous. Obviously he presses buttons with his nose tip.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
It really has always been comic book level nonsense. But comic books have gotten much dumber lately.

And yes, the Imperial Fist guy still looks really stupid with a helmet on. So it's not just the head.

There's a picture with a helmet? Where?

No, somebody did a photoshop of him with a helmet on.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/1027036-Tor%20Garadon%20With%20Helmet.html

Personally I think Tor Garadon is the perfect level of stupid.

I'm not sure what the point of contention is regarding Adrax Agatone getting a model. He's been part of the lore since Salamander was publishing in 2009, and he's not even a one hit wonder in that his character is developed throughout the events of Firedrake and Nocturne. In comparison, Vulkan He'Stan gets very limited screen-time in Firedrake (Where he mostly acts as a foil to the bellicose Veteran Sergeant Zek Tsu'Gan), and a bit of an expansion in a short story 'Forgefather'.

In terms of actual deeds done, Agatone is his own man - He'Stan is following a set path that countless Forgefathers have done before. He quite simply isn't a typical Salamander, even if he is revered by them. Even the relics he has 'recovered' are slightly odd, in that (Spear excluded) they're relics that weren't selected for preservation by the original Forgefather when Vulkan left for the Dropsite Massacre (Which is the origin of the 7, then somehow 9, Relics of Vulkan), and more to the point - Vulkan was actually wearing these when he got to Isstvan V, and curiously they were somehow not instantly vaporised when he got mulched by a tactical thermonuclear warhead (As the rest of his armour definitely was)...

In all, Agatone make sense to be Primarised - He's supported in the Codex and supported in the lore by books that most Salamanders fans will have read (Being as it's their own dedicated series). For those of you who are unfamiliar with Salamander's lore, one of the key points of the Salamander's Trilogy, and the follow up 'Rebirth' (That Nick Kyme seemed to drop like a ton of hot bricks...) is that Veteran Sergeant Zek Tsu'gan is very hot-blooded, and is forced to go renegade/mercenary for the Inquisition after being captured by Chaos and mind controlled. However, one of the few things to calm him is the presence of the Forgefather. One almost wonders if the abrupt hiatus of the next phase of Salamanders books coincided with the initiation of the Primaris stuff - and if He'Stan was destined to be killed off and replaced by 'Vulkan Tsu'Gan'. Hence, why we may not get a model for him...

Quasistellar wrote:
Personally I think Tor Garadon is the perfect level of stupid.

Indeed. He's ridiculous and I love it.

Sterling191 wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
Personally I think Tor Garadon is the perfect level of stupid.

Indeed. He's ridiculous and I love it.

And just like that, I realize why I like Marines in general, despite not really playing them. As a whole, they are the "perfect level of stupid"

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Warpig1815 wrote:I'm not sure what the point of contention is regarding Adrax Agatone getting a model. He's been part of the lore since Salamander was publishing in 2009, and he's not even a one hit wonder in that his character is developed throughout the events of Firedrake and Nocturne. In comparison, Vulkan He'Stan gets very limited screen-time in Firedrake (Where he mostly acts as a foil to the bellicose Veteran Sergeant Zek Tsu'Gan), and a bit of an expansion in a short story 'Forgefather'.

In terms of actual deeds done, Agatone is his own man - He'Stan is following a set path that countless Forgefathers have done before. He quite simply isn't a typical Salamander, even if he is revered by them. Even the relics he has 'recovered' are slightly odd, in that (Spear excluded) they're relics that weren't selected for preservation by the original Forgefather when Vulkan left for the Dropsite Massacre (Which is the origin of the 7, then somehow 9, Relics of Vulkan), and more to the point - Vulkan was actually wearing these when he got to Isstvan V, and curiously they were somehow not instantly vaporised when he got mulched by a tactical thermonuclear warhead (As the rest of his armour definitely was)...

In all, Agatone make sense to be Primarised - He's supported in the Codex and supported in the lore by books that most Salamanders fans will have read (Being as it's their own dedicated series). For those of you who are unfamiliar with Salamander's lore, one of the key points of the Salamander's Trilogy, and the follow up 'Rebirth' (That Nick Kyme seemed to drop like a ton of hot bricks...) is that Veteran Sergeant Zek Tsu'gan is very hot-blooded, and is forced to go renegade/mercenary for the Inquisition after being captured by Chaos and mind controlled. However, one of the few things to calm him is the presence of the Forgefather. One almost wonders if the abrupt hiatus of the next phase of Salamanders books coincided with the initiation of the Primaris stuff - and if He'Stan was destined to be killed off and replaced by 'Vulkan Tsu'Gan'. Hence, why we may not get a model for him...

I think the contention doesn't lie with Adrax himself, but rather, why he and by extension, Garadon, are getting Primaris models instead of upgrading Vulkan and Lysander as has been the case with Khan, Shrike, Calgar and Tigurius thus far. As in, why not bring those old and Finecast models up to date with plastic minis. He sounds like a pretty cool character but I think people are just worried about their favourites like Vulkan vanishing.





On a side note, for anyone interested I did a quick mock-up of Tor Garadon with an Aggressor helmet and it improves the model significantly

Tor's knuckleduster fist is just screaming for Angry Marines usage....

The helmeted head from the IF upgrade sprue would probably work too. I wish every character came with a helmet. Worst case scenario you have the bit to use on another model.

He looks awesome with that Agressor helmet.