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Kid_Kyoto wrote:SOunds more like Planet Strike! wil be about sieges and assaulting prepared postions than landing.

In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, all landings are contested ones. But more seriously, uncontested landings just lead to ground force meeting engagements which can be fought out with the existing 40k/Apoc rules.

The only thing that has really piqued my interest is the possibility of more terrain and plastic fortifications.

Yeah, about those fortifications. Everyone go and look at the picture on the new Sentinel box. Look at the far left of the picture.

See those walls? Look familiar? If you don't recognise them go to page 81 of the 5th Ed rulebook. See that bunker? Notice its walls? No look at the Sentinel pic again. See how they're the same?

I think that's our first Planet Strike building.

Maybe, or it could just be custom studio terrain.

Hordini wrote:

Hellfury wrote:Just because GW doesn't write a story about something doesn't mean one should restrict their own creativity to match a story that is written.

Quoted for truth. I can think of a bunch of reasons and situations for every 40k race to be on the defensive, especially at the tactical level (which is what 40k battles represent).

Ok I admit I wasn´t clear. It´s not that nids will defend but that races like them or DE don´t have a reason to fortify and defend from fixed positions. I see a roaming nid TF patrolling the feed areas a reasonable thing but something like the Line Buginot bugs me no end (bad pun intended )

M.

So are you saying the Dark Eldar don't have bases and staging areas from which to refuel, re-equip, and launch their raids? Or just that they're too awesome to ever let their bases get attacked?

Hellfury already explained the Tyranid angle pretty well, I think. And besides, the Tyranids have to stay in place at least long enough to harvest the planet. It isn't the kind of job that's done the instant the Tyranids take over a planet.

DE are just so awesome they don't need to refuel or have a home base. They do everything on the fly AS they're attacking, don't you see?

And if you try and explain it away in real-world terms (you NEED to resupply at a base at some point) you're a bad person because this is sci-fantasy.

Nope, DE have a home base in the middle of everywhere or nowhere that nobody else (but the harlequins) can reach because they are sooooo awesome that everybody else lost the maps to it..

M.

Oh dude, I totally forgot this was grimdark sci-fi fantasy. I retract my previous statement. There's no point in comparing the DE (who are fictional) to a raiding force in the real world (which is real), that would need real things like fuel, supplies, and ammunition to launch raids. Who's to say what the (fictional) DE need? It's the 41st millennium! Fuel and supplies and bases probably don't even EXIST.

Well, maybe there should be a special rule that the DE can defend their super secret space base in another dimension, but the attackers have to be Harlequins because everyone else lost the maps.

Well the only defenses I think they might have would be against each other. DE don´t get along very well you know something about the "I want to suck your soul"

M.

To recap:

Hellfury wrote:I personally don't care who thinks what or why an army should or shouldn't do something, there is always a way to justify an action in someway.
But if the rules allow such aggressive armies as tyranids and darkeldar to be a defender in a mission (which I imagine wouldn't likely be a very consistent occurrence), then its best to figure out why they would do it instead of arguing about the impossibilities of such an act.

Dark Eldar? You mean like Eldar but with spikes and skulls?

Oh yeah, those are the guys they used to make back in the 90s right? Them and the Squats.

Yup KK you are right and they have a city in someplace that moves around a lot where they have the wildest parties of the galaxy. And no, you can´t go there unless you are cool! (and only the space elves are cool enough)

M.

jabbakahut wrote:sadly it's the closest we'll get to a 40K movie.

Except, you know, the direct to video 40K short films GW did in the early 90's.

Hordini wrote:Oh dude, I totally forgot this was grimdark sci-fi fantasy. I retract my previous statement. There's no point in comparing the DE (who are fictional) to a raiding force in the real world (which is real), that would need real things like fuel, supplies, and ammunition to launch raids. Who's to say what the (fictional) DE need? It's the 41st millennium! Fuel and supplies and bases probably don't even EXIST.

Bases and resources only exist as an abstract construct in DOW because otherwise people will cry about the lack of a tech tree - see DOW2. They really don't exist. At all.

I just wonder....do you think GW will use this planet strike release to launch a new army? perhaps one which uses the termite??

Mm. No. Planetstrike and an army would be too much for their release schedule. I mean, they sorta did it with Eye of Terror, but that was because they didn't need to come out with any new models.

Platuan4th wrote:

jabbakahut wrote:sadly it's the closest we'll get to a 40K movie.

Except, you know, the direct to video 40K short films GW did in the early 90's.

Oh yes, I've seen them. They were...what's the word...ah yes, TERRIBLE! That's the word I was looking for


Also, if GW planned to bring out a new army this summer we would probably know it by now.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Oh yes, I've seen them. They were...what's the word...ah yes, TERRIBLE! That's the word I was looking for .

So was STT, so that's not a good argument for not watching them.

My lord this sounds exiting!

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah...about those fortifications. Everyone go and look at the picture on the new Sentinel box. Look at the far left of the pictur
See those walls? Look familiar? See that bunker? Notice its walls? No look at the Sentinel pic again. See how they're the same? I think that's our first Planet Strike building.

H.B.M.C. I looked for the walls, but I couldn't see them. Could you post up a picture of what you mean? I love walls.

I am excited if Planetstrike actually does turn out to be for seiges. My guard are already manning their posts.

Ok I admit I wasn´t clear. It´s not that nids will defend but that races like them or DE don´t have a reason to fortify and defend from fixed positions. I see a roaming nid TF patrolling the feed areas a reasonable thing but something like the Line Buginot bugs me no end (bad pun intended )

a tad late, but an idea for nids using fortifications:

under the fortification is the enterance to a hive, they are protecting it from any invaders.

Oooh.. Nice! I see metal Mordians and plastic beret Storms.

Miguelsan wrote:Yup KK you are right and they have a city in someplace that moves around a lot where they have the wildest parties of the galaxy. And no, you can´t go there unless you are cool! (and only the space elves are cool enough)

M.

I always get invited to their sexy parties!

But, I have to admit, their party games hurt like hell

And for some reason I have to only wear a big spiky collar...

s.j.mccartney wrote:I just wonder....do you think GW will use this planet strike release to launch a new army? perhaps one which uses the termite??

I heard that the new army that uses the Termite will be called the Foot Clan, they will be led by a dude with bladed armor and a little brain with tentacles, and will be able to ally themselves with evil mutants and Stone Warriors from Dimension X. They will have one weakness though: an overwhelming love of Turtle Soup.

Platuan4th wrote:

jabbakahut wrote:sadly it's the closest we'll get to a 40K movie.

Except, you know, the direct to video 40K short films GW did in the early 90's.

I've got one on my phone (some people don't even believe GW did that), and sadly still, I think Starship troopers is still closer to a 40K movie than those. Although I've only got the Inquisitor one, but it has the trailers for the other two, did those get made?

Hordini wrote:I heard that the new army that uses the Termite will be called the Foot Clan, they will be led by a dude with bladed armor and a little brain with tentacles, and will be able to ally themselves with evil mutants and Stone Warriors from Dimension X. They will have one weakness though: an overwhelming love of Turtle Soup.

Hordini wins the thread.

I see 'nid defenders in a Planet Strike mission as a very good way to represent a landing party's assault on a hive ship.

As for Eldar- their big Weapon platforms strike me as more defensive than anything else in the army. I love the idea of Eldar having defensive positions that are well-hidden but also very much in the real world- perhaps to protect a web-way gate that absolutely must not be destroyed. Because presumably those gates can be destroyed if you drop enough firepower on them, and as the Eldar did not build the webway itself- they need those gates to be preserved.

Miguelsan wrote:

Hordini wrote:

Hellfury wrote:Just because GW doesn't write a story about something doesn't mean one should restrict their own creativity to match a story that is written.

Quoted for truth. I can think of a bunch of reasons and situations for every 40k race to be on the defensive, especially at the tactical level (which is what 40k battles represent).

Ok I admit I wasn´t clear. It´s not that nids will defend but that races like them or DE don´t have a reason to fortify and defend from fixed positions. I see a roaming nid TF patrolling the feed areas a reasonable thing but something like the Line Buginot bugs me no end (bad pun intended )

M.

I think your perspective doesn't consider the time scale of an average 40K game. One game represents what, 20 minutes of real time max? Maybe 30 minutes or more if you stretch it? I think it's reasonable to assume that a Tyranid invasion could take weeks or months and that in that time the Nids would have staging areas, gathering points, spore clusters (or whatever you'd like to call them) that would become fortified as the biomass grew even though the 'Nids were leaving when the planet was "conquered." Having a bio-fort doesn't imply permanent inhabitation by any means. Same could be said for DE. Vehicles and guns require resupply, and resupply requires logistics. Logistics imply some kind of a base or depot, and it is likely that such a depot would be fortified even if it was only there for a few days. (The first thing any soldier does when they stop moving is to "dig in") I suppose you could argue that all resupply could be done by a roving supply ship, but that doesn't mean that there would never be any sort of encampment.

Just a counter-perspective. I am a Tyranid player, and I want to play Planetstrike too!