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Thanatos73: Infantry squads are as they are now. One Sw one Hw.

warboss: Russ / Artillery / Valkrie / Vendetta are all 1-3 for which ever force org they are. Can take more than one choice of each, I know it was rumoured that You may only take one squad of three russes, but this appears to be false.

Everything is bought as a Vehicle Squadron, so no acting seperately.

Again I can assure you Hunting Lances are S5 I5 power weapons on the charge, one use only.

wilsmire: Nork got buffed slightly the same as all ogryns did. His rumoured "Stop dem wot iz tryin to urt the kernel" is in there.

Aduro: Not 100% about commanders being no longer IC's, but your 50 merged guardsmen give away one kp i think. and then another kp for the separate non-mergable platoon command.

Vets are now troops and can be given carapace. So 4+ save and 3 sw and a heavy sounds good to me. So up to six squads of those and you're good to go. I'd beware though that you won't have as many orders if you do not take a couple of platoon commands, as you'd be rellying on your one CHQ to buff the entire army.

Thanks, that is some really great information. Now I can reconvert my riders instead of shelving them.

The psyker squad looks like it has potential and it is in the low competition elites slot. Do you remember anything about how it works?

ph34r: Hellguns used to be Hotshot lasguns back in the day, I'm not sure how old you are or how far back you played so I don't know if you know that already and I don't want to offend. Some craziness made them up a couple of codecies ago, sure they sound cool, but I think we're seeing a shift to the old school with the guard.


True, there is no "hotshot lasgun" in the french summary, simply because it is translated in to French. The french have a 'Fusil radiant laser' which from looking at the stats on the leak we could deduce that it was the new stats for a hellgun which is what ST's swung around at the time. Two and two together gives us Ap3 hellguns, however the english codex puts them to be Hotshot lasguns.

That word lasgun does match up with the wording on FRFSRF! suspiciously well.

Raxmei: Primaris has a S6 Ap5 assault 2d6 power as well as the night shroud I mentioned earlier.

Psyker battle squad has large blast with the strength = number of psykers ( unit is Overseer + 4psykers, and you can buy up to another 5 psykers giving you S9. Overseer DOES NOT count to the strength, he keeps an eye out, similar to 'It's for your own good' but takes out d3 psykers for good measure, and who said there is no satisfaction in ones work. If the Overseer is dead then every psyker in the squad has to take the perils hit. )

middle wrote:ph34r: Hellguns used to be Hotshot lasguns back in the day, I'm not sure how old you are or how far back you played so I don't know if you know that already and I don't want to offend. Some craziness made them up a couple of codecies ago, sure they sound cool, but I think we're seeing a shift to the old school with the guard.

True, there is no "hotshot lasgun" in the french summary, simply because it is translated in to French. The french have a 'Fusil radiant laser' which from looking at the stats on the leak we could deduce that it was the new stats for a hellgun which is what ST's swung around at the time. Two and two together gives us Ap3 hellguns, however the english codex puts them to be Hotshot lasguns.

Just as an aside, the "Fusil radiant laser" that is on the leaked French summary sheet is the same name as what the current Storm Troopers and Kasrkin are armed with (in French). So there's no translation issue there, the name simply hasn't changed on the summary sheet. Refer to GW France online store statline entries for "Escouade de Troupes de Choc" and "Escouade de Kasrkins".

Any info on Al'Rahem you can spill? My Tallarn would like to know.

middle wrote:Leadership is gone. Orders are the new thing.

Alas, Orders and officer command bubbles don't do the same thing at all, so all in all, I expect my troops to do more, but die and fleet a lot quicker.

middle wrote:ph34r: Hellguns used to be Hotshot lasguns back in the day, I'm not sure how old you are or how far back you played so I don't know if you know that already and I don't want to offend. Some craziness made them up a couple of codecies ago, sure they sound cool, but I think we're seeing a shift to the old school with the guard.

Yeah, I did not play back then but I know that they used to be hotshot lasguns. However now they are hellguns, not lasguns, and unfortunately would not benefit from the special order.

So are Rough Riders roughly identical to what they are now then?

Just since I was intending on converting up a batch, it would be handy to know if they've been neutered.

middle wrote:
Ahh, advisors. Master of ordnance gives you an earthshaker round each turn.

Earth Shaker round each turn? For 30 points?

ph34r wrote:Yeah, I did not play back then but I know that they used to be hotshot lasguns. However now they are hellguns, not lasguns, and unfortunately would not benefit from the special order.

I believe his point is that the new dex refers to them as HSLG's and that the order may apply to them.

Flagg07 wrote:

ph34r wrote:Yeah, I did not play back then but I know that they used to be hotshot lasguns. However now they are hellguns, not lasguns, and unfortunately would not benefit from the special order.

I believe his point is that the new dex refers to them as HSLG's and that the order may apply to them.

Hm, actually now that I think about it this could be possible because the only weapon summary we have is translated from french and the translator assumed that the str 3 ap 3 weapon was a hellgun, and that it did not get a name change. Even if you can give the stormtroopers the extra shot order, I don't know if they will be worth it. We'll have to see, it just seems like 16 points is a steep price to pay for a marine killing unit when we already have battle cannons.

But it's also a relatively well protected Deep Strike unit which can carry two Meltaguns. Get lucky with an fairly accurate entry, and you stand a pretty decent chance at taking out an enemy tank, or even jumping units like Devastators or the equivalent from a position that denies them cover.

Plus they are of use against Battlsuits, Necrons etc. I see them in the same way as Stingwings. On their own, unlikely to wipe out a unit, but as an accompaniment to a Battle Cannon round, you can wipe out an entire enemy unit in a single turn, which when talking about MEQs is no bad thing. I'll stop now for fear of lecturing those who don't need it!

ph34r wrote:Hm, actually now that I think about it this could be possible because the only weapon summary we have is translated from french and the translator assumed that the str 3 ap 3 weapon was a hellgun, and that it did not get a name change.

It's not an assumption, the French weapon name hasn't changed - it's exactly the same as the current one. You can check it for yourself, as I've already mentioned:

Her Majesty's Buxom Commissar wrote:Just as an aside, the "Fusil radiant laser" that is on the leaked French summary sheet is the same name as what the current Storm Troopers and Kasrkin are armed with (in French). So there's no translation issue there, the name simply hasn't changed on the summary sheet. Refer to GW France online store statline entries for "Escouade de Troupes de Choc" and "Escouade de Kasrkins".

However if it says "hot shot lasgun" in the English Codex, that's all that matters.

Any word yet on if or how Storm Troppers can be used as troops?

Also, I don't get that whole hot shot thing. Are we talking about lasguns with get's hot or what? Who can get those? And does that mean that Storm Troopers walk around with S3 AP5 weapons? Because in that case I'd prefer shot guns.

middle wrote:Gestalt: I'm pretty sure it is just one CHQ still. Chimera have 5 fire points now. I take it this is from only ever having 3 of the old lasguns pointing the same way + two from the top. But now you can fire five of anything you have.

MinMax: Considering the model is amazing for the commissar lord, I didn't feel there was that much to him. Does not affect orders. Have a radius around them that instills loyalty. Can't remember exactly what it does but is to do with LD tests and rallying i think.

Hunting lances are identical to what they are now. S5 I5 ignore saves. And they still say eat hay if there was a rumour about that too.

One CHQ makes Creed even more useful if the CHQ is the only unit with certain orders. Also makes it a big loss if it dies. Mortar and Vox for my CHQ.
I wonder how a command or SWS with GL would do in a chimera. 6-7 S6 shots on the move. I see chimeras being much more fun now.

Is commissar lord our new LD bubble? :/

I heard Hunting Lances lost the +2I, you sure they are I5 on the charge?

Edit: Any specifics on Penal Troops?

@Buxom,
But with linguistics being what they are, there may have been no need to alter the name for the french Stormies to take advantage of the new orders rules.

I'm gonna leave any further comments on the storms to the rest of you. We all know where we stand and anyone that wants to try to argue about them with me can read my last post on the IG rumor thead part III.


@ Middle, Thank you for your reply and info. I'm liking the sounds of this codex but I can see where it will be called the IE(Imperial Eldar) by some.
It definitely pickup up quite a bit of Eldar-esque flavor with the Battle psykers, Fast skimmer transports, and the leader abilities to allow you to reroll missed hits and failed wounds.

If you don't mind I have a few more questions.

First)In your reply to warboss you said that the Valks, Russes, and Artillery are all 1-3 coices. I assume that your talking squadron numbers as oppossed to force orginazation requirements. Could you please Clarify your reply on this?

Second) Can you mix Valks and Vendettas in a squadron?

Third)Is there anything that allows the Russ Squadrons to fire independently? Does the Squadron commander have any special ability in this regard?

Fourth)The commander that gives one unit infiltrate?
Does it apply to any units or only a certain type of unit?
Could this aplly to a unit like Ogryns?

That is all for now, but thank you again for the info and replies.

Edit for spelling

focusedfire wrote:@Buxom,
But with linguistics being what they are, there may have been no need to alter the name for the french Stormies to take advantage of the new orders rules.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to point out to ph34r and others. That there is no ambiguity in the French summary sheet, it is quite clear that the name remains unchanged. And as you say, in French they are already "'radiant' laser guns" so the "First rank fire! Second rank fire!" "lasguns only" issue may be quite clear in French... in the French Codex.

All that matters is what the English Codex calls the weapons that Storm Troopers carry and whether they can be given the "First rank fire! Second rank fire!" Order. That's what I'd like some final confirmation on.

Absolutely agree with you.

Question to Buxom, Which rumored change has piqued your interest the most?

Buxom, if it has a different statline and a different description, it's a different weapon. hotshot lasgun should not be considered lasguns. Obviously, I haven't read the codex, but unless it explicitly states otherwise, the hotshot lasgun will not get the first rank fire,second rank fire rule.

"Overpowered laser packs, like the so-called 'Hotshot', provide weapons with a more potent charge but give fewer shots. They cannot be recharged after use and the extra stress on the barrel requires more maintenance."

All this is going to do is make my Krieg army take longer to build (147 in a single troop choice.....)

Okay, so can I get a few small confirmations?

NO two special weapons in infantry squads, yes?

NO sniper rifles in infantry squads, yes?

Conscripts are 10-50 dudes with lasguns and nothing else, yes?

The Valkyrie does NOT have the conversion pieces for a Vendetta included, yes?

No more track guards for IG tanks, yes?

Vox carriers must be armed with lasguns, yes?

I think that's it for now.

So far my army is looking as follows:

CHQ
-Advisors
Commissar Lord

-6-10 Ogryn

3 Platoons
-3 Infantry Squads
-3 Heavy Weapons Squads or Special Weapons squads

2 Squads of Veterans with Demolitions and melta guns

2 LRMBTs
2 Bassies
2 LR variants

Something along those lines.

Have any of you who have seen the book checked the tank ace character? I've heard rumors he gives the tank a version of crack shot that ignores cover saves and gives him +1 pen to vehicles on top of BS4. If thats true he will be a beast on a stock russ with 3 heavy bolters. He will chew up any infantry or light vehicles.

I've heard a lot of comparisons on the various sites between the Techpriest and Techmarine... Does the Techpriest Enginseer have Bolster Defences? Would love a 3+ coversave fire base.

This isn't terribly important, but is the command platoon dead? IE, can you still take heavy weapon squads as part of your HQ or are you locked into infantry platoons if you want to use them?

ubermosher wrote:I've heard a lot of comparisons on the various sites between the Techpriest and Techmarine... Does the Techpriest Enginseer have Bolster Defences? Would love a 3+ coversave fire base.

Ooh, that didn't even occur to me, but it'd be great. Of course, copypasting special rules across books is pretty boring, but setting up defenses is something the IG should excel at.

Few more questions:

1. Is the Commissar Lord a CHQ upgrade or IC? What bonus does he give to nearby squads, LD?
2. I heard Yarrick also has some rules that apply to his unit/nearby squads, anything on that?
3. What are points on Commissar Lord and Yarrick?
4. Specifics on Penal Troops
5. Cost and special rules of Nork?

Thanks for the info Middle



My main question right now, is in regards to Voxes. Do they come free in squads, or if not, do they cost the same as they do now? In addition, can Voxes be taken in HWS/SWS or ST squads? And do they still have the "Master Vox" or do you just need normal voxes?

PS. Is there an Order that lets your regroup under half strength?

If not then Creed is even *more* powerful, since he can give 4 squads Fearless/FC (auto pass morale for falling back regardless of restrictions).

Hey just wondering if anybody can answer this: Can I take a single Leman Russ (squadrons are 1-3) but not have it be destroyed if it's immobilized since it's the only one in the "squadron"?


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augfubuoy wrote:Hey just wondering if anybody can answer this: Can I take a single Leman Russ (squadrons are 1-3) but not have it be destroyed if it's immobilized since it's the only one in the "squadron"?


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Main rulebook. Squadrons of single vehicles do not use the squadron damage rules. They are considered to be single vehicles.