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At least 5 kids play it at our FLGS. All of them 12 or younger. It's not like they're FORCED to paint em blue and white. So why?

Well, I talked with a friend who had previously worked for GW and he said Ultramarines are popular because the color scheme is simple and the most pleasing to the eye, being a nice warm blue.

Perhaps this is going off topic, but I truly beleive that the Ultramarine's Companies were cooler when they had just normal colour Company markings - None of this pimped up metallic stuff.

They even make nice banners for Chaos Titans.

Heresy!

Am I the only one who remembers that the Blood Angels used to be the ones on the fronts of the boxes?

Most of the kids at my flgs play orks, and the marine players tend to paint them some god-awful gaudy gold/silver combo Marine players get picked on and eventually leave because the kids are convinced you can't win a battle with them.

i get a bit annoyed by the kids blue marines, but i dont rage.

the only thing that i hate about them is ventris and his stupid adventures if he died unkown uncared about in a hole somewhere i would be happy and not hate anything about the ultras anymore.

Grim.Badger wrote:Am I the only one who remembers that the Blood Angels used to be the ones on the fronts of the boxes?

I may be wrong but I could have sworn that when I was younger there was Salamanders on one of the boxes, I remember cause when I was a kid thats why I got the box, because the Green Guys looked cool.

Also this was way before I started to play, back then I wanted to play Guard and thought the concept of a Man with two hearts was slowed. (That was also before I started watching Doctor Who.)

That might have been Dark Angels you're thinking of...

Maybe on the cover of one of the old Epic games?

Maybe?

Possibly, but I remember it being a Tac Squad, maybe the Sallies were on the back...

I think Salamanders were on the front of Armageddon or sumfink.

The Salamanders are on the front covers of Epic: Armageddon and Titanicus, with Emperor Titans in the background.

The Salamanders were the good guys in Armageddon, they defended civilians where other Chapters were too busy?
To this day the people of Armageddon will remeber the sallies for what they did.

Also it was like three years after Tu'shan became Chapter master, and he was openly praised by Dante in front of all of the Blood Angels.

So, back to Ultras (go start your own Sallies thread :p)

What do you all think about Ultramar Defense Auxilia? i.e. the Ultramar version of Imperial Guard since they dont have to raise IG levies like other systems/Worlds do. In the deeper UM fluff they are mentioned often as having fought side by side during the Tyranid invasion and a few other smaller engagements.

My unpainted IG might look pretty good with Ultra insignia and unit markings in place of all IG types.

Well i think people hate them cause of how many little kids play them, and not only play them but paint them badly. Worse then bad, i know they cant be Golden Demon straight away, but the GW i go to will show them how to paint, but they just slap paint on them and they look terrible.

IMO that is proof positive of the Ultramarine's hypocrisy, they have a larger fleet than any other chapter, and what amounts to their own regiment of imperial guard, so that those few engagements they do participate in have even less actual marines.

Mistress of minis wrote:My unpainted IG might look pretty good with Ultra insignia and unit markings in place of all IG types.

I think that idea is very cool. If Ultramarines are overdone and Guard in general are overdone, then Ultramar Guards should be the ultimate ironic-twist paint scheme.

Rory, what are you referring to?

Mistress of minis wrote:
My unpainted IG might look pretty good with Ultra insignia and unit markings in place of all IG types.

For some reason I like the idea of having an Ultramar IG Regiment painted to look like they were UltraScouts. Just no Calgar for gods sake no Calgar.

Right this is my first post so forgive me if this seems a bit noobyish

Personally, I grew up thinking that the UM were ultimatly BORING! as has been said a number of times on this thread, too purfeck, too generic, too blue so in the end I converted to the good ol' BA's, (something about being half crazy blood drinkers maybe lol)

All of the amazing fluff aside, you need to look at this from the designers point of view, GW needed a stable platform to work off of, for a new army, which undoubtably the UM are, no gene traits, no nothing, just something as a simple starter army for those starting a life of paint, clippers and games...

THEN you build off of that, add a few "problems" some history for the other 8 or so chapters, yes BA-but they have a dark secret (black rage), DA's hunt for their "fallen" SW's have werewolves!...the list goes on

But i digress, to reiterate, the UM are stable, boring and plain, aimed for people to start the hobby with, but when all the dust has settled, they get the job done

Cheese Elemental wrote:As much as I love the Ultramarines, I have to make this point with the timeline...

Circa M29: The Unification Wars. The Emperor of Mankind unites Terra, and sets off to conquer the stars. The Ultramarines’ Primarch, Robute Guilliman, is conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

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I love that post Cheese, though IIRC and I'm by no means all that knowledgable on the HH, didn't Horus fool the Ultramarines into going to the otherside of the galaxy to get them out the way?

Paintin'Dave wrote:

All of the amazing fluff aside, you need to look at this from the designers point of view, GW needed a stable platform to work off of, for a new army, which undoubtably the UM are, no gene traits, no nothing, just something as a simple starter army for those starting a life of paint, clippers and games...

THEN you build off of that, add a few "problems" some history for the other 8 or so chapters, yes BA-but they have a dark secret (black rage), DA's hunt for their "fallen" SW's have werewolves!...the list goes on

But i digress, to reiterate, the UM are stable, boring and plain, aimed for people to start the hobby with, but when all the dust has settled, they get the job done
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QFT
Very accurate in my opinion and also welcome to dakka

Cairnius wrote:Seriously, just go read "The Road" and be done with it already...

Read it once. Think I'd have to top myself if I read it again...

As an RT-era oldbie, I love Crimson Fists, though I love how Pedro Cantor, "the man who would not listen" became Pedro Kantor, "saviour of Rynn's World" (Hurrh!)

As it is though, I play Lamenters (post penitent crusade) and Mentor Legion (using WD98 fluff, when they used to send single squads to fight alongside other armies, not like the solitary guys they are now).

I paint all the dead marines on my orks and daemons as ultramarines, not because they're the best chapter, but because they're SparkeyG's chapter

You know, Fulgrim MY PRIMARCH was a pretty cool guy before he called ferus, turned chaos and put Guilliman in a coma, or stasis cell, is there a diffrence?

Yes, getting to know the fluff more, Fulgrim landed on a poorer world called Chemo's and basically re-built it as a happier place and they began practicing art, and all that good stuff.


May i ask a quick question seeing as i'm posting about Chemo's i've read all the worlds where the traitor legions are from got destroyed. But i read somewhere Chemo's is occupied not destroyed....

is this true or false?

Basically what unnerves me about Smurfs is the poster boy factor from GW. Sure they need a stable base to work from, but you get bombarded left and right by Smurf stuff, when you look at Space Marines.

Plus i really prefer to have mroe shades than "were the good guys" to the army i play. (ok kinda hard with Necrons but whatever).

So yeah Smurfs are all nice and everything, i just cant get myself to buy the new SM Codex, when every 1ßth page has Ultramarine or Girlyman praise in it.

There are 9 loyal legions, only SW do not really adhere to the Codex, BA and DA actually mostly do follow the Codex, and Iron Hands didnt even get they own Character model.....Its the feelingof 90% Space marine stuff is ultramarine stuff...

Orkeosaurus wrote:Ultramarines = Superman.

Sorry to have to bring this up again, but Ultramarines are clearly better than Superman.

Yes, they may wear blue suits. Yes, they may be super strong and Yes, they may be able to withstand lots of bullets.

BUT! You don't see Ultramarines crapping themselves when someone pulls out some cryptonite do you!?!

Cheers!

Jack.

for some unknown fething reason i actually read a whole thread rather than the 1st page.

and luna, your far from emo

jack, ultrasmurfs dont shoot eye lasers


i think the main reason people hate them would be due to advertising
they are shown pretty much everywhere on every box, people get fed up with having to look at the basic blue armour.
not only that, but the fluff is pretty gakky and plain.
due to being over advertised every small child decides to play them, leading to even more smurf players, which in turn pisses everyone else of with having to look at them

on a side note, im a legion of the damned and BA player

Every facet of my 40k being is screaming death to the Ultramarines and this thread!

Tau: This thread is not for the Greater Good!

Death Skull Orks: No weez iz da real blue boyz and weez iz da best!

Raven Guard: What a bunch of tactless panzies, For the Raven!

Grey Knights: Purge this thread and the Ultramarines!

Tyranids: Om nom nom tastes like vanilla!

Daemons: BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD!

Imperial Guard: Kill the daisy picking blue boys with chem cannons!

Word Bearers: DEATH TO THE HATED COWARDLY WHORESON WHELPS OF GULLIEMAN, I USE THEIR SKIN AS TOILET TISSUE!!!!!!!!!

Sry I got a little carried away there, I just hate them b/c they're boring and have only ever met one Ulramarines player that I liked, but atleast their better than stupid Blood Ravens or Soul Drinkers lol.

Wait, what makes them better than Blood Ravens and Soul Drinkers? I think we're zeroing in on a good point there.

Manchu wrote:Wait, what makes them better than Blood Ravens and Soul Drinkers? I think we're zeroing in on a good point there.

Umm because they arent DOW fanboy based fluff?

Its like when some lamer in an MMO names their character Aragorn, Legolas, Walker Boh, Garet Jax or any of the multitude of cool book characters that turned to fanboy fodder. If you have to name it after a cool character in a book, it at least shows you read- but its also a lack of creativity.

Now- counterpoint is obviously that UM lack creativity too- since they have fluff everywhere ya look. But, theyve been at the core of 40k, and theyre still here. Some hate em, some dont. I think the creativity can be exercised in the execution of the modeling and selection.

And besides- its fun to make fun of other UM armies that have their insignia done improperly O.o Point being- UM armies seem to have higher % of armies with insignia/squad marks, compasred to most other marine armies.

Im rambling. I blame the cold meds.

I have to second that, Ultramarine players tend to actually know what they're doing with their markings.