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As I said in the other thread this is just a terrible cover.

The lead figure looks like a man in a mask and furry pants.

The spiked belt buckle makes him look like he's been impaled.

And the green blur to suggest a forest is lazy.

Honestly one of the worst covers I've seen from GW.

Yeah, what is he going to do, "belly bump" you?

Luna: there were a long time ago, but for some reason they stoped doing alternative animal heads.

on the cover, : does any one else hate the self mutalation from the horn going thru the skin on the wargor?, i mean it was already done in ogre kingdoms and it was stupid then, i dont see why it should be acceptable now. Again, another case of GW needing outside input.

Hawkins wrote:on the cover, : does any one else hate the self mutalation from the horn going thru the skin on the wargor?, i mean it was already done in ogre kingdoms and it was stupid then, i dont see why it should be acceptable now. Again, another case of GW needing outside input.

It's acceptable because people STILL do it for real today. That's not something GW made up themselves, several cultures throughout history practiced skin piercings like that.

Its something they adapted to the minis, though, sorry i dont like it, and think its silly whatever the reason.

Are these beastmen or guys at some kind of BDSM costume festival? Cause I dont really see the "beast" part

They don't look like Beastmen. They look like people wearing fancy helmets, and that's a problem.

Anyway, what's this nonsense about Beastmen getting their own Codex for the 'First Time'. WTF was 'Beasts of Chaos'?

H.B.M.C. wrote:They don't look like Beastmen. They look like people wearing fancy helmets, and that's a problem.

Anyway, what's this nonsense about Beastmen getting their own Codex for the 'First Time'. WTF was 'Beasts of Chaos'?

They are the baphomet!

The models have the fur going into their back more; it looks better. Like they're actually fused with the goats.

As far as I know (maybe my knowledge is a bit blurry/"revised", coming from 4th edition after all) Beastmen are mutated bastardchildren of men that are thrown into the wilderness. In some parts these mutations seem to happen quite often, so you see quite a load of beastmen there.

Greets
Schepp himself

You know, the more I look at the Gor in the middle, the more I dislike him. His head's too small, his horns are too big, his belly plate/spike is stupid, his axe looks wonky in the perspective, his head doesn't blend into his body enough, his helmet spike is dumb...

Platuan4th wrote:

Hawkins wrote:on the cover, : does any one else hate the self mutalation from the horn going thru the skin on the wargor?, i mean it was already done in ogre kingdoms and it was stupid then, i dont see why it should be acceptable now. Again, another case of GW needing outside input.

It's acceptable because people STILL do it for real today. That's not something GW made up themselves, several cultures throughout history practiced skin piercings like that.

Exactly, that's how I spot the chaos cultists in my neighborhood and target them for 'accidents'.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Anyway, what's this nonsense about Beastmen getting their own Codex for the 'First Time'. WTF was 'Beasts of Chaos'?

..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..initially anyway. People might have liked the idea of interconnected armies that let you mix and match for coolness and so forth..but what the hell do they know !

... right ...?

Yeah, what is he going to do, "belly bump" you?

.. might depend upon the rules set I would hazard as a suggestion ?

Beastmen are mutated bastardchildren of men that are thrown into the wilderness. In some parts these mutations seem to happen quite often, so you see quite a load of beastmen there.

Not quite. Those are... were ? .. refered to as "gaves" or "gavechilds", the rest of the beastmen, especially the Gors.. especially the Bovine Gors..being "pure" blooded and born and reared in the forests/sent by the chaos gods if the plot required it...

..essentially Beastman social status was defined bu the size of ones horns -- useful in the headbutting contests they engaged in by their herdstones-- and/or being marked by the gods. For example Shaman were usually seen as untouchable and favoured by the chaos gods.

Yup. That's a pretty terrible cover. The Beastlord is truly bad. And here's hoping Reds8n is wrong with some of his predictions...

Still, the night's young and things might not be as bad as people are fearing. I have been sitting on a large Beastman army for some time now. I wouldn't mind, too much, if the other Chaos gribblies aren't included in the book as long as it's a viable list since I prefer a beasts-only list. But losing too many options would be a pity.

Vale,

JohnS

reds8n wrote: ..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..initially anyway.

But all they had 'sides Beastman units were Ogres, Trolls and Dragon Ogres. Won't that mean that once this Army Book hits, Dragon Ogres won't be available to any army? I mean, should we expect Codex: Dragon Ogre Kingdoms to come next?

All they're really doing is removing 6 units from the book - Spawn, Chaos Trolls, Chaos Ogres, Dragon Ogres, Shaggoths and Giants.

Oh well, at least it's yet another example of GW changing horses mid-race. They finally begin to unify the style of the Chaos Army books first with the new Daemons of Chaos, then with Warriors of Chaos. An updated Beasts of Chaos was inevitable to complete the circle (or... triangle...) but no, GW has to change their direction once again.

cygnnus wrote:Yup. That's a pretty terrible cover. The Beastlord is truly bad. And here's hoping Reds8n is wrong with some of his predictions...

Live in hope, die in vain!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

reds8n wrote: ..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..initially anyway.

But all they had 'sides Beastman units were Ogres, Trolls and Dragon Ogres. Won't that mean that once this Army Book hits, Dragon Ogres won't be available to any army? I mean, should we expect Codex: Dragon Ogre Kingdoms to come next?

Dragon Ogres, Trolls and Giants ARE available to a Mortals of Chaos army, aren't they?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

reds8n wrote: ..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..initially anyway.

But all they had 'sides Beastman units were Ogres, Trolls and Dragon Ogres. Won't that mean that once this Army Book hits, Dragon Ogres won't be available to any army? I mean, should we expect Codex: Dragon Ogre Kingdoms to come next?

All they're really doing is removing 6 units from the book - Spawn, Chaos Trolls, Chaos Ogres, Dragon Ogres, Shaggoths and Giants.

Oh well, at least it's yet another example of GW changing horses mid-race. They finally begin to unify the style of the Chaos Army books first with the new Daemons of Chaos, then with Warriors of Chaos. An updated Beasts of Chaos was inevitable to complete the circle (or... triangle...) but no, GW has to change their direction once again.

I think he's talking about the old book allowing demon and morals to be included. Or not.

Reds8n speaks in riddles.

Its something they adapted to the minis, though, sorry i dont like it, and think its silly whatever the reason.

And you know, those people probably think grown men playing with little plastic toys (that you have to paint yourself) is silly, too.

I quite like it, I think it makes a lot of sense seeing as how the beastmen come off as being a savage, tribal race and all, and being Chaos worshippers the self-mutilation fits in quite well I'd say. I like it too for the psychological effect, it makes you think "Holy gak this guy is crazy, he's got bones and horns stuck in him and he's screaming like a madman!" I'd probably run the other way.

Alpharius wrote:It actually looks as if someone has managed to sneak around the back and managed to back stab him to such epic proportions that the sword has come out through the belly!
Clearly, he'll have to lead from the front rank from now on.

I think the Beastman is using that huge spiked armor plate around his belly to compensate for his inadequacy in other areas. No wonder they are so angry and savage.

I'm still sitting on the boxed army from the last Beasts of Chaos release plus some additional items for it. I wonder if I'll finally find time to paint them after they get their new army book.

Alright, I gotta admit, I'm no fan of the belly sword, either. I can see if you're trying to put a bit of distance between you and an opponent, but all it would really do is hinder your own movement. That and the idea of actually using it as a weapon is pretty fething silly...imagine a big goatman thrusting his gut into people, lmao.

If you pay attention to what he is doing, he seems to be striking that all too often pose of a psycho maniac who gets killed really quick.

Tim the Biovore wrote:If you pay attention to what he is doing, he seems to be striking that all too often pose of a psycho maniac who gets killed really quick.

I know, I was thinking about that when I wrote my post about the psychological effect. "RAAAAGH I'M fething CRAZY, YOU BETTER RUN melon-fether! *cuts his own chest with his sword while making pelvic thrusts*"

Now you've made him remind me of the Devil in Tenacious D and the Pick of Destiny.

Well I for one like the cover. The "blurr" of green in thebackground looks very fitting, makes it seem like your running away from them, and somewhat chaotic. While having body hair is traditional for such things I like the semi hairless thing. As I recall beastmen are jealous of human aesthetics, so it may be representative of an attempt to look more human, Though it is a pathetic one, as they also tend towards other so-called barbaric or tribal (I know the two words are not equivalent in this day and age) practices, like the skin piercing. I have to say I love the blade plate. It looks both cumbersome and impressive, something that I think protrays the beastmen very well, He is saying, "I am bigger than you and I have this thing here to prove it" (although it is not hard to notice when someone is bigger than you. But while impractical for a human, it many be entirely practical for a huge beastman. Looking at his anatomy it seems the plate sword is probably very effective at killing things he it trampling. I could imagine that beastlord, charging and mowing down people with his axe , and others reaching up after getting head butted only to be run through with that device. I would not put it passed beastmen to use semi-phallic symbolism in their garb, while maybe not family friendly, it would show a patriarchial and heirarchical society that is extremely shovenistic, very beastman to me. I mean I have not even heard of beastman females or beastwomen, though this does not mean they do not exist, though i bet a cow or sheep does just as well (ewww). So if one visualizes it as an impractical and shovenistic phallic symbol, I would agree and count it as a positive and a good direction for the art. So long as it does not get out of hand, I do not want to see......that kind of stuff everywhere. But I love the minotaur in the back alot, and I hope the new models for the minotaurs are similar. I love the helmets, they seem designed by beastmen for beastmen, something that does not match fluff, but I think is very fitting. They need more of a culture, rather than just being a feral branch of chaos. They also look more intelligent in this art, I think that lends itself well to them, having such cunning. I hope the new models look more menacing, the current ones ( if they change the beastman box set) just look kind of bored not ready to tear things apart. I hope they have a more primal edge but one that is somewhat suppressed by their human side, kind of a mix between mournfulness and manic bloodlust. I would like to see them hunched, growling, and their leaders to be raving lunatics and all of them ready to gor themselves and chew on their own internal organs if they do not reach battle soon (of course some acceptions like Khazrack the one-eye, spelled that wrong). I see where the artist is going, it is not meant to please people, I can see that, but the cover does look like an honest heartfelt attempt to portray this developing (non-existant) culture in all of it's characteristics.


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Hey just spotted this, I don't know if you saw it andI don't want to be indecent but that gut sword is for sure a phallic symbol. The two hairy heads hanging on his waist, are well, you get it, their right below the gut sword, that beastlord rules by his own might that is for sure. He is either compensating as already mentioned or he really is THE beastman.

I actually like the cover. Then again, I see them as more corrupted fawn-type creatures, so normal torso with furry goat legs and goat heads seems fitting to me.

Definitely interested in seeing the new plastic minotaurs. If they are really cool like Ogres, I think this army will look great on the table.

Ok well i did some more careful reading of the posts and found that most noticed the very masculine nature of the gut blade and hairy heads. I just hope GW noticed, I think they are trying to be family friendly to the international audience but stuff like that has also evaded disney.

Anyway some people seem angry about a fluff change. I for one like it. To make beastmen older than woodelves would be fantastic, because it is a rejection of the archetype made popular and standard since Lord of the rings. It also sounds like Chaos may be removed from their fluff to some degree, which I like. I hate the good and evil dynamic no matter how you cover it up. Chaos and Order are usually just different names for Evil and Good respectively (40k however does have some acceptions). I would like to see them as a savage and bloodthirsty race but not one without motive. Motive donates purpose and purpose lends culture and development. I have read the current beasts of chaos book and i am a little bit disappointed with the lack of dimensionality in the beastmen. If they have more than one dimension as a people (of course their heroes and herdstones have very nice touches) then they will have more appeal. For instance I love the 40k daemons because I can sympathize with them. They are pure creatures who do what they are meant to do. i am sympathetic to the Chaos forces in 40k because they are free thinkers, they choose their own master, rather than are forced to serve one. I am starting a beastman army as soon as they come out, and would love for their fluff to be rich and something I can sympathize with, makes me get into the game more.

Ygds wrote:
Hey just spotted this, I don't know if you saw it andI don't want to be indecent but that gut sword is for sure a phallic symbol. The two hairy heads hanging on his waist, are well, you get it, their right below the gut sword, that beastlord rules by his own might that is for sure. He is either compensating as already mentioned or he really is THE beastman.

...*facepalm* wow...never noticed that before. With the heads...

It just makes my joke about the thrusting even more hilarious, imagine those things dangling around while he does it.

And you laughed when I called it a penis plate.

Next you'll be telling me that Magnus The Red was a vaginal allegory.

Sidstyler wrote:Alright, I gotta admit, I'm no fan of the belly sword, either. I can see if you're trying to put a bit of distance between you and an opponent, but all it would really do is hinder your own movement. That and the idea of actually using it as a weapon is pretty fething silly...imagine a big goatman thrusting his gut into people, lmao.

Allow me:

Gaotman Brayed his loudest as he and his heard raced on cloven hoves towards the imperial line of halbadiers.
With a impact fit to crush stone, the two lines met in a deafining roar of steal and screams. Goatman, Head down bulled into an imperial halbadier horns and the blade on his helmet thrusting deep into the fleash of his foe. With a Wrench of his head the red and purple of the soldiers clothing ripped apart in a spray of gore as momentum carried the beastman further into the lines of the Enemy with his heard, Now came the momment all beastmen longed for deep down in their corrupted souls. As the men of the imperium broke, Goat man spied a likely target and Screamed to his brothers in the toungue of the beast 'DOG PILE!' He was already in the air as he screamed Arms outstreched, back arched, his Heard brothers only a few feet behind. *Squash* The impact and gyrations of Warband reduced the Soldier to nothing more than a pulp. Goatman dry humped the corpse with his long steal blade, the two severed heads between his legs knocking together. For a time there was nothing to hear but the beastmen at play, till from under the pile A small voice could be heard just on the edge of hearing. 'Ger off'! Goatman screamed. and his brothers hastily obrayed. Onehorn, an old goat whom long ago had lost an eye as well as a horn, began to snigger, as he always did when the he saw his bands leader as he was now. Goatman, belly blade bent, was huched over in excritiating pain as the peicings on his chest made of thich bone were plucked out one after another, blood and filth oozing out behind. 'Onehorn Chucked 'I told you those peircing were silly, Damn fool thing for any idiot to try.'

I like how it looks. It look beastie. The thing i really hope they will keep, is that a wargor of tzeentch will remain as also a wizard... but that will be lost, no?