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To all the people worried about converting. Have you forgotten forgeworld? In a few months I'm sure you'll be seeing something coming out from them. It didn't take them long to make a warboss biker or ogre rhinox riders.

GG

Well forgeworld may be out of some people's price ranges...

Wrexasaur wrote:

If anything, I expect smaller companies to fill many of these gaps, but I am simply not convinced that they will be able to do it at a reasonable cost. Not to say that there would not be options, just that you would not actually be saving all that much overall.

Wrex, may I call you Wrex?

Our goal is to have Tyranofex and Tervigon conversion kits for the Carnifex in 2-3 months. Our price objective is in the 15-25$ price range.

Personally, as a nid player I dont see this as too expensive for a price. GWs solution for players is to buy 2 of their $50 kits and convert a Tervigon or Tyranofex. Our solution calls for one Carnifex (which most of us have laying around collecting dust thanks to the new rules for them) and a relatively inexpensive bits kit. There will be next to no cutting needed for these kits as we are trying to sculpt them so they fit over the carnifex in place of or on top of the model.

I dont know about the named charactes as of yet, barring the Swarmlord, we dont have any concepts or thoughts on them.

You will see Ymargl stealer heads soon enough as well as some nice boneswords and lashwhips for warriors and Tyrants (say hi to the swarmlord.).

As a hobbyist I think GW dropped the ball on this, I am not too sad though. If GW did release a kit for these models it would be pretty pricy, a sword sprue I could see them charging $20 for...

Nick


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CrazyThang wrote:Well forgeworld may be out of some people's price ranges...

My thoughts and fears exactly....

Forge World is like the Elitist version of GW... but you cant seriously expect FW to be used to convert some of the most needed models in the tyranid codex?

I think FW maybe accounts for less then 5-10% of worlds 40k model range in players hands..

I have heard from some good sources that GW does NOT plan on doing the missing Nid models anytime soon (aka this year). Take that for what its worth though, I am not all that sad if they leave them missing for a while.

Forge World is like the Elitist version of GW... but you cant seriously expect FW to be used to convert some of the most needed models in the tyranid codex?

Most of the new kits can be relatively easily converted from either a carnifex or trygon kit, and it's unlikely you would need multiples of a few of them (doom, parasite, swarmlord, deathleaper, harpy, etc). Its not a tremendous solution, but these won't really be the most difficult conversions in the world compared to some previous missing items with no comparable models forcing a player to go outside the game (battlewagon, drop pod, Deathstrike, wave serpant, MotFwCB, etc).

Hopefully they'll announce some conversion kits or new models soon though.

Crazythang: I was responding to the post from ShumaGorath which I quoted. He was the one that suggested new codexes may not have all their models available.

Until the past year or two GW has only rarely not had a model for a unit in a Codex. The drop pod and wave serpent are notable exceptions. In fact new units were quite rare from 2nd ed until 5th ed.

While people go back and forth on whether converting is the solution (t works for some but not everybody), nobody has AFAIK mentioned how it affects the new gamer which is presumably GW's target market. Does GW expect new gamers to just start converting stuff in the codex but not on the shelves? I don't know. Maybe some new players would, but I suspect just as many wouldn't bother. The GW cone of silence doesn't really help either.

Ah well there was a bit of a misunderstanding then. I totally get what your saying.

If anything, I expect smaller companies to fill many of these gaps, but I am simply not convinced that they will be able to do it at a reasonable cost. Not to say that there would not be options, just that you would not actually be saving all that much overall.

Dunno, we (chapterhouse) are quite cheap actually. From the very start we wanted to scale down on the prices and make things cheaper then you have with the ordinary bitz sellers.
Personally I frown upon paying 85 cents for one lousy plastic marine knife taken from a sprue, paying that for somehting the seller hasnt even made himself was never what I liked in the first place.

Be is still expensive or not, not all small companies are having forgeworld (on specialised kits) or bitzbarn (on common bitz) prices. Better many can afford something we make rather then just 10% of the hobbyists who have good jobs.

Part of the issue is GW's reluctance (apparently shared by many on Dakka these days) to do metal or metal hybrid kits. Metal kits can be put out for a faction of the cost (to GW), and save you from all that "terrible" converting.

Releasing blisters of even basic troop types used to be the way that GW did business, and in my opinion still should be. Then there would be fewer range gaps.

Chapterhouse wrote:Wrex, may I call you Wrex?

Of course, .

Our goal is to have Tyranofex and Tervigon conversion kits for the Carnifex in 2-3 months. Our price objective is in the 15-25$ price range.

That sounds pretty good. I was generically referring to several companies, Forgeworld included.

A Carnifex is like 45$ if I am not mistaken, plus 15-25$, is about 60-70$. That works out to be a good price.

I have taken a look at some of your work, and it is quite nice. The new Genestealer heads are cool.

Good luck setting all that up.

I love converting and have all the new stuff converted already or have the plans in place. (Hurry up chaperhouse, I'm impatient!) My biggest irritation is that they don't tell you the base size it's supposed to be. Some is straight forward, but others like the tervigon/tfex- is it supposed to be the 60mm round or the oval? I don't want to make it bigger than it's supposed to be (LOS) but I don't want to have to switch bases after I've modelled it. At least they put some pics up on the website but still. The biggest ball dropper was the boneswords. Huge addition to the codex (power weapons) but no kit. Sure I can convert, but I plan on using alot of them so it's a bit irritating. I like the wave system, I just wish they had some kind of schedule we knew about. Hopefully they will do a Hierodule kit with the 2nd wave!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Yorick_of_Tau wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure that GW's crazy if it expects us to pay $200 to convert one model.

Welcome to the wonderful world of GW's 'Wave Release System', where not only do we not know when something is coming out, we also don't know if something is coming out. It's 2nd Ed 40K all over again...

But with better sculpts and twice the grimdark!
But seriously, like most people I like to convert models. It gives you a great sense of creatiity and imagination. But alot of people have to realize, that not everyone feels the same. But no one should get pissed at another user for having a different view on moddeling.
But that's just my can of worms on this matter.

I like converting.

I don't like having to convert Codex entries because the models do not exist unless the models in question have been specifically set up to be conversions/kitbashes (like LatD Mutants).

generalgrog wrote:To all the people worried about converting. Have you forgotten forgeworld? In a few months I'm sure you'll be seeing something coming out from them. It didn't take them long to make a warboss biker or ogre rhinox riders.

I think a counterpoint is that Forge World doesn't march lockstep with the design studio in terms of releases. They didn't release any of the missing IG tanks (Eradicator, Colossus, Deathstrike), even though they easily could have. They made the Vendetta, sure, but it looks like they're not at all interested in systematically filling the gaps left by GW releases.

I think new codex opens doors and closes some... we have waited for years for trygon kit and plastic gargs... also this codex introduces SO MANY new bugs, and justice has to be made they actually produced lots of new miniatures for this codex.
I have no problems with converting and sculpting my own new bugs, in fact I have great pleasure doing so, although I do understand those that dont like it or lack the skills and patience to do so... To them I say please be a bit patient I only have so little time to cooperate with miniatures companies that provide an alternative for you.
I promise I will do my best to finish up some cool stuff for you asap, and I also understand with the release of new dex people are very anxious yet my time resources are a pain to organize.

I will work a bit to help out you guys... just please give me some months to flesh out all alternatives.

If you can't figure out how to get a few bone swords for your Tyrant without buying a plastic kit or even worse a pre-painted rubber toy soldier that's ready straight ouf the box you're simply playing the wrong game. I'll give you a tip however, either order the bitz from the magical interweb, do a bitz swap with some other hobbyist, use bitz of other things like scythes as counts-as weapons, or cut a few sword-like pieces out of plasticard which is very economically priced. This isn't even a hard one and you don't need to do any sculpting.

I know for a fact I'm not "playing the wrong game" because GW would throw a fit if I showed up in their stores to play with parts from toys they didn't make. lmao

As for the rest of your helpful tips, I've been trying to order the bits from the interwebs. NO ONE HAS THEM. ApocaBitz is sold out (I got a reply wee!) and no other bits site I've browsed even sells hive tyrant bits (though maybe I'm not trying hard enough, I guess I need to send off e-mails to all of them begging them to buy a bunch of $50 kits so I can have one part from them...yeah I don't see that working out). Nothing on eBay so far, either.*

*Ha, got lucky and found an auction. With a Buy It Now option no less. *pounce*

I'll say this though, if anyone here has extra boneswords/lash whips from the current hive tyrant kit they have no use for, drop me a PM because I'd really be interested.

Finally, I personally am not a fan of the scything talon "counts-as" bonesword that I've seen. It's just a backwards scything talon, even if it's cut down it's still obvious that it's a scything talon and I just don't like the look of it. I won't complain if I see it on other models, but I won't do that for my own.

Cool that you got one, but before you glue it on to anything you might want to take a look at making duplicates of it. It's not too hard or expensive to do and it could save you having to hunt down more as it sounds like they're going to be hard to get.

http://www.hirstarts.com/moldmake/moldmaking.html has a clear and concise guide on making simple rubber moulds for recasting parts and it's not illegal as long as they're for your own use I belive.

I'll say this though, if anyone here has extra boneswords/lash whips from the current hive tyrant kit they have no use for, drop me a PM because I'd really be interested.

I don't know about boneswords but Lash whips for your Warriors/Shrikes/Tyranid Primes are easily obtained in the Venomthrope blister.

The blister is $20 and contains 4 INDIVIDUAL Lash whips that are the perfect size for warriors. 2 Left Side, 2 Right side. No Converting is necessary. Just attach and go.

At retail it becomes $5 a lashwhip. $4 a whip using 20% off available at several online retailers.

Here is my weapons swapped Warrior.

Vengis wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

During the ACW, President Lincoln once sent a telegram to General McClellan of the Army Of The Potomac to say if the General was not using the army for a while he would like to borrow it.

I'd rather burn my Nids than give/sell them to someone like you who wants to tell me how I should enjoy my hobby.

Why so antagonistic?

All I'm saying is that there are plenty of armies with full model ranges -- SM and Tau for example -- which avoid the need to sculpt things.

Ooh, good call, jgemrich. I'm thinking that you could probably use the Venomthrope's body as the basis for a Harpy, too, with a spare Carnifex head & limbs, & scratchbuilt or bits-supplier-bought wings.

"All I'm saying is that there are plenty of armies with full model ranges -- SM and Tau for example -- which avoid the need to sculpt things."

Which has all of what to do with what exactly, hey KK?

Codex entries should be represented by models. There should be no gaps in the line. It's ok if they don't come out immediately - wave releases are fine - but the models themselves should exist.

Think back to the real Chaos Marine Codex in 3rd Ed - the Defiler had no model, and loads of people made their own from Dreads and I even saw one clever one made from a Land Speeder (with LOOOOOONG legs). But we knew the model was coming. Didn't know when, we just knew it was coming. And then it did. The people who converted theirs were happy, and those that didn't were content to wait.

But now? Are Ork players ever going to get Flash Gitz? A new Buggy/Trakk? How 'bout a Deff Kopta that you don't have to buy a boxed game to get. Daemon Chariots? Griffon? Psyker Battle Squad? Colossos? Leman Russ Eradicator? Tervigon? Tyrannofex?

It'd be fine if we had pics of these models in the Codex, so we knew that they existed, despite no release date. We'd know they were coming. But the current situation... no... not knowing when something will come is one thing. Not knowing if is a completely different thing altogether.

Gargskull wrote:Cool that you got one, but before you glue it on to anything you might want to take a look at making duplicates of it. It's not too hard or expensive to do and it could save you having to hunt down more as it sounds like they're going to be hard to get.

http://www.hirstarts.com/moldmake/moldmaking.html has a clear and concise guide on making simple rubber moulds for recasting parts and it's not illegal as long as they're for your own use I belive.

Ah, I don't know...that was discussed at length here on Dakka before and I'm not really sure it's something I want to get into.

This may be naive but whatever, I'm going to post it anyway...

Hasn't Gamesworkshop said in the past that their plan is for every new unit in each codex to have a model?

I took that as, even if it does take them a long time to do so they will eventually fill all those gaps.

Kilkrazy wrote:Why so antagonistic?

All I'm saying is that there are plenty of armies with full model ranges -- SM and Tau for example -- which avoid the need to sculpt things.

And I have SM and Tau armies. But I also have a 3rd edition Nid army, which used to be almost entirely represented. I think the only models that weren't were the Flying Tyrants, Warriors, and Ripper Swarms. I don't think that changed in the 4th edition book either. But now in 5th, suddenly there's a bunch of choices (some of them really good, game wise) that aren't represented. So up until this book, I had an army with a full model range that avoided the need to sculpt things.

Now, I'm told that I should just play another army if I don't want to convert things, like it was a bad choice to pick Nids because I should have expected a lot of converting. Or that converting isn't actually that hard and I shouldn't complain about having to do it. Or that I should be satisfied with buying some ugly ass Armorcast or Trollforged models, or even better, some plastic action figures. I guess I'll just plop a MacFarlane dragon on the table and call it a harrier. Or even better; that I'm playing the wrong game and should quit.

That's why I'm antagonistic.

Vengis wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Why so antagonistic?

All I'm saying is that there are plenty of armies with full model ranges -- SM and Tau for example -- which avoid the need to sculpt things.

And I have SM and Tau armies. But I also have a 3rd edition Nid army, which used to be almost entirely represented. I think the only models that weren't were the Flying Tyrants, Warriors, and Ripper Swarms. I don't think that changed in the 4th edition book either. But now in 5th, suddenly there's a bunch of choices (some of them really good, game wise) that aren't represented. So up until this book, I had an army with a full model range that avoided the need to sculpt things.

Now, I'm told that I should just play another army if I don't want to convert things, like it was a bad choice to pick Nids because I should have expected a lot of converting. Or that converting isn't actually that hard and I shouldn't complain about having to do it. Or that I should be satisfied with buying some ugly ass Armorcast or Trollforged models, or even better, some plastic action figures. I guess I'll just plop a MacFarlane dragon on the table and call it a harrier. Or even better; that I'm playing the wrong game and should quit.

That's why I'm antagonistic.

Or you could have a little patience and wait a couple months... or have huge patience and wait some years... but yes you could quit also if your not happy.

Sure there are some gaps, but hey what can you do about it if you dont want to convert and just relly on others to produce your goods... People are giving you alternative sugestions because some are mature enough to accomodate to the reality of things... but yes you could just be pissy about it all and call it quits.

NAVARRO wrote:

Or you could have a little patience and wait a couple months... or have huge patience and wait some years... but yes you could quit also if your not happy.

Sure there are some gaps, but hey what can you do about it if you dont want to convert and just relly on others to produce your goods... People are giving you alternative sugestions because some are mature enough to accomodate to the reality of things... but yes you could just be pissy about it all and call it quits.

Wait a couple months for what?

Where did I say I was going to quit? I said I was shelving my Nid army, yes. That doesn't mean I'm quitting 40k, or that I'm never going to play my Nids again; I'll just wait until they release the models for the new units.

The alternate suggestions I'm objecting to are the ones that I should quit playing Nids (or just wargaming in general according to some people) if I don't want to convert, or that converting is easy and I should like it.

as far as bone swords go, a person i play often went the way of taking spine fists and gluing those bladed spines from several Nid sprues. Looks pretty damn good and not cheesy like upside down talons


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next time i see them I'll post pics

I dont wanna convert.. *pouts*

Dakka is hilarious. Harden up.

Also

Thunderwolf calvary is way harder to convert (and has a gak model as a base) then this swarm lord.

Think of JJs grav tank from a deodorant bottle. Conversion has been part of this hobby from the beginning. Accept it or play space marines.

I gotta say, that's some attitude isn't it? You ever complain about anything GW does and all their fans tell you to shut up and quit if you don't like it. You complain about being forced to convert or the lack of models for options in codices and get the same response, "Go play a different game then!"

You know, for a bunch of people who seem to be supportive of GW they're sure doing all they can to kill their business, lol.

The attitude from some users on this thread is disgusting.
I never knew there was this hidden core of elitism on Dakkadakka.

Shaman wrote:

Conversion has been part of this hobby from the beginning. Accept it or play space marines.

Except for that part about the Tyranid book being fully represented (other than a couple biomorphs) up until a few weeks ago.