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I always thought it could be cool for suits if they had a special rule that when they are assaulted, they roll a d6 and on a result of 5+ (adding 1 to their result for each suit in the squad) they are able to move 6" away, but must sacrifice one member of the squad- you know, for the greater good.

A Kroot special character with psyker powers or that offers psych defense, from a diet of warp powered mind warriors!

Marker lights being a more common upgrade option, or pathfinders not being quite as squishy.

Making ethereals more useful, espescially considering the drawback when they die- possibly a super suit.

Tau are imo one of the codices that have a lot of unrealized potential- hopefully their 5e update gives them at least a better taste of it.

Giving a crisis suit model a hit and run rule upgrade at 10pts that takes up a hard point? (possibly add 'only use once' rule for and slightly lower cost -7pts)

(based on vectored retro-thrusters)

Gwar! wrote:

Infantryman wrote:I know several Tau players in the making. The other day I got a glimpse at a thread (that I can't find again) about certain Tau stuff being under powered, or over priced or something of that nature. I faced Tau in 3rd as Guard and always had a problem dealing with them; their long ranged guns murdered my Guardsmen and their seeker missiles did good damage against my tanks. It was a nightmare. But now it doesn't seem to be the case. What's wrong with Tau?

M.

3rd ed Tau ≠ 5th ed Tau.

5th ed Tau are underpowered compared to newer codexes, half their Wargear doesn't work and 80% of the units are worthless.

Same could be said about Necrons and Sisters/Knights also.

Farmer wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Infantryman wrote:I know several Tau players in the making. The other day I got a glimpse at a thread (that I can't find again) about certain Tau stuff being under powered, or over priced or something of that nature. I faced Tau in 3rd as Guard and always had a problem dealing with them; their long ranged guns murdered my Guardsmen and their seeker missiles did good damage against my tanks. It was a nightmare. But now it doesn't seem to be the case. What's wrong with Tau?

M.

3rd ed Tau ≠ 5th ed Tau.

5th ed Tau are underpowered compared to newer codexes, half their Wargear doesn't work and 80% of the units are worthless.

Same could be said about Necrons and Sisters/Knights also.

Except that Necrons have a few good Builds (Dash is winning with them ), Sisters also have a Few Good Builds. Knights notsomuch. Tau are just rubbish (and I am not totally bias in any way against a new unwanted race that got close to 6 times the codex material in 4 years than my Puppies did in 10 and my Delfdars in 12. -Grumble-

Gwar! wrote:

Farmer wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Infantryman wrote:I know several Tau players in the making. The other day I got a glimpse at a thread (that I can't find again) about certain Tau stuff being under powered, or over priced or something of that nature. I faced Tau in 3rd as Guard and always had a problem dealing with them; their long ranged guns murdered my Guardsmen and their seeker missiles did good damage against my tanks. It was a nightmare. But now it doesn't seem to be the case. What's wrong with Tau?

M.

3rd ed Tau ≠ 5th ed Tau.

5th ed Tau are underpowered compared to newer codexes, half their Wargear doesn't work and 80% of the units are worthless.

Same could be said about Necrons and Sisters/Knights also.

Except that Necrons have a few good Builds (Dash is winning with them ), Sisters also have a Few Good Builds. Knights notsomuch. Tau are just rubbish (and I am not totally bias in any way against a new unwanted race that got close to 6 times the codex material in 4 years than my Puppies did in 10 and my Delfdars in 12. -Grumble-

I'd say Tau and Necrons have decent builds but are hardly going to cut it in tournaments.

Pfft people always hate change. Plus I want them and I'm Scotlands most important guy. Im the token ginger.
You do know there is only 1 ginger person in Scotland? I am just that damn good at disguises.

In firendly games Tau play better than crons, but when you want to make crons competitive you can whereas Tau don't stand much chance.

if tau are supposed 2 be ever evolving, then wtf is takin so long with our codex?

4M2A wrote:In firendly games Tau play better than crons, but when you want to make crons competitive you can whereas Tau don't stand much chance.

Necrons > Tau though...

krato123 wrote:if tau are supposed 2 be ever evolving, then wtf is takin so long with our codex?

Dark Eldar waited 12 years I think you can wait another 1.

i got wasted when i played necrons. knowing how they worked might of helped. Stuped telporting thing....

SpankHammer III wrote:Hi All

I don't play tau but have considered them as second army from what your all saying i'm glad i decided to wait until a new dex comes out.

Sorry if this is a stupid question but wouldn't it make sense to make the kroot better in cc? I mean if i remember my fluff right isn't that why the tau keep them around but from what i remember their stats suck.

Fluff-wise the Tau keep Kroot around because together they fought a war against the Orks, and Kroot are good at jungly stuff (unlike Stealth Suits, which obviously are crap at hiding in cover and aren't equipped with high power, short range weapons).

Kroot are significantly superior to Tau in melee, due to their extra WS, S, T and I, and bonus attack, but their lack of power weapons, armour and morale, makes them not that much better than IG when comparing to other armies.

The Fluff says Tau only make use of alien talents to complement the Tau, i.e. do things they aren't good at but need doing, but they don't recruit aliens to do things like melee which need doing, and they aren't good at, but they think are stupid. I know it doesn't make sense on any level, but that's GW for you.

The GW theory is that Tau view melee as primitive and stupid (which it is -- it's only the rules that make it work in 40K) so Tau aren't interested in improving any of their melee skills.

In my opinion this would not matter if the Tau were allowed to avoid melee, and were given better mobility and firepower.

Interesting take on the Tau, Kilkrazy. I like it, but it isn't crazy enough!

Perhaps the Tau are actually somewhat aware of our reality and can use logic to determine what should and shouldn't work in modern (let alone futuristic) warfare.

But, they're blocked (perhaps by the agents of Chaos, maybe by a concentrated psychic attack) from realizing that they are in fact part of a game, and, as such, can't figure out why things don't work the way they should.

That would explain why they struggle so much at shooting despite being a shooty army, many of the models are actually trying to split their fire, but some mystical force keeps preventing them from doing so. And, they refuse to use CC troops, because they know their weaponry has plenty of range to take out anything before it gets close. They just can't understand why the enemy suddenly appears only a foot or two away from them.

Fleet of...foot hoof thing for Tau in 5th?

M.

Infantryman wrote:Fleet of...foot hoof thing for Tau in 5th?

M.

Why? What would running, then assaulting do for a ranged army? (I'm sorry, that's what "Fleet of..." does, right?)

IF anything, Fire Warrior should have an option to take Jetpacks. JSJ Fire Warriors!

Iur_tae_mont wrote:IF anything, Fire Warrior should have an option to take Jetpacks. JSJ Fire Warriors!

That..would be awesome! pity GW would never think of it.

Awesome and somewhat game breaking I think.

I would rather the Elites/tanks/transports got the kind of upgrade needed but the FW remained the same. They are good enough.

well theres always the stand and shoot order from fantasy, simplify it down and give it to firewarrior and let them forgoe their CC attacks ad let the shooting count as their casualties.

What's that? oh your assaulting my tau with your marines.... well my tau have guns and use them at an initiative of OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eat 24 str 5 shots.

TheRedArmy wrote:

5th ed Tau are underpowered compared to newer codexes, half their Wargear doesn't work and 80% of the units are worthless.

Completely correct. All 5th edition codices are better then everything else (particularly Humans), and Tau do have some problems dealing with it. That being said, They do have some potential, and with a proper list and a real threat still. Fire Warriors can take down most infantry fairly easily, particularly with markerlights, crisis suits have 3+ armor and multiple wounds, Broadsides and Hammerheads can make short work of most vehicles, but you do have to watch for morale - Tau are one of the few races left that are not fearless or ignore morale.

Summed it up. They are supposed to get a new dex next year, I'd say build a small army and shelve em... or play opponents playing more balanced (read Not op) armies. Things like Space Wolves, new nids, and BA just eat tau something fierce

gendoikari87 wrote:well theres always the stand and shoot order from fantasy, simplify it down and give it to firewarrior and let them forgoe their CC attacks ad let the shooting count as their casualties.

What's that? oh your assaulting my tau with your marines.... well my tau have guns and use them at an initiative of OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eat 24 str 5 shots.

See I always wondered why this rule doesnt actually exist, surely it would be more tactically sound to let a shooting thing do its job, its not going to live or have a chance to kill if its pulls out a knife but if it gets in that last shot or 2 it could decide everything.

Quite right on Fleet; I had forgotten it was different. Well, how about a bonus to their movement speed or something?

M.

gendoikari87 wrote:well theres always the stand and shoot order from fantasy, simplify it down and give it to firewarrior and let them forgoe their CC attacks ad let the shooting count as their casualties.

What's that? oh your assaulting my tau with your marines.... well my tau have guns and use them at an initiative of OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eat 24 str 5 shots.

it would be much better and simpler if all the tau FW got pistols, or a way to get pistols like 3pts wargear. that would be a great problem solver for cc while retaining there CC=primitive attaude

gendoikari87 wrote:
well theres always the stand and shoot order from fantasy, simplify it down and give it to firewarrior and let them forgoe their CC attacks ad let the shooting count as their casualties.

What's that? oh your assaulting my tau with your marines.... well my tau have guns and use them at an initiative of OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eat 24 str 5 shots.


AAAGGGHHH!!!....VEGETA!!!..........LMAO...........wow....i think IMMA FIRIN' MY LASER!!!.........lmao...2 good of an opportunity 2 pass up....

o yeah...i dont wanna wait.....i hate waiting....fine and dandy for you ahvin waited 10+ years for a dark eldar codex, but like ive said b4, tau are supposed to b ever- evolving....they should have a new codex like every year or so for weapons or field testing items and such.....(thatz just my thoughts though...)

syanticraven wrote:

krato123 wrote:if tau are supposed 2 be ever evolving, then wtf is takin so long with our codex?

Dark Eldar waited 12 years I think you can wait another 1.

But 1 is one too many!

but pistols would solve so many problems.......they would get way better atks in CC even if they I is

I'm pretty sure in 5th pistols are only just an extra ccw; they resolve at user strength.

M.

Yeah that is right. That is why I would much rather a stand and shot type rule or 'flee' option where they get up and run the feth away requiring a leadership test on there next movement phase.

Now, since pistols SHOULD Be a damn close combat option (like they were in 3rd IIRC), you would not be wrong. Tau pistols should probably be as strong as a bolt pistol, giving them some bite.

M.

the codex says pulse pistols are S 5, ap 5 rangew 12" pistol. I so need to learn the 5th rules better