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vonjankmon wrote:I stopped playing Hordes before PP started introducing resin models, did they have any of these quality control issues when they started?

Also do they still have any issues to speak of and do their resin models soften at a temperature similar to the Finecast? All my resin experience is with ForgeWorld, their resin holds up well IMO, I have to use a hair dryer to correct bends and such as hot water just doesn't quite do it for thicker things like Hydra barrels unless you leave it under the running water for like 5 minutes. No melting problems in the car either but I am careful since almost all of my DKoK IG are resin. The quality on Forgeworld can be ultra bad though.

The new GW stuff isn't true resin though, at least not in the same manner as FW resin. It's rumoured to be some sort of resin/plastic hybrid, although no-one knows for sure. That's why its properties are slightly different to the FW stuff that people know. That's why reports of it melting in shop windows and cars are quire worrying; if you are going to bring and new, untried material to market, why the hell wouldn't you test it?

This is an interesting twist on the "SIGN MY ONLINE PETITION" thread(s). It will do about as much good, too, sad to say.

If they were going to listen to indy retailer's opinions at all, they would have back when they made their first "screw-the-brick-and-mortar-store" move in the early '00s.



Ghidorah

Lord Castellan Mik wrote:Spot on guys... GW, grow up and mature in the business world... we now live in a global economy, heading for a world currency

The internet is the future, not brick shops

how many people have to explain it to you

Despite rumors to the contrary our business world is no where near as global as the media claims and we are not even remotely close to having a world currency. Look how long it too for the Euro to come into being and that was only a single continent. No way the entire world, or even a majority of it, will be able to come to terms with something like a world currency.

I do agree with the internet sales. That one screwed me over, but GW isn't the only gaming company at fault for that. Years ago game manufacturers decided to not sell to Internet Only sellers to keep brick and mortar gaming stores from going out of business. It is about time for them to realize that not everyone has a local brick and mortar store and not everyone is in a position to run a brick and mortar store. Besides those brick and mortar stores who are selling online can just as easily draw customers from other local brick and mortar stores. It is just a stupid and foolish concept and shoots the companies and distributors out of sales they could be generating. When I was trying to establish myself online years ago I was astounded how quickly none of these companies wanted any of my money because I was internet only...

On the subject of finecast, I am waiting and seeing. I am not getting up in arms over a few threads of pre-release minis showing flaws. I have been playing GW games since Rogue Trader and 3rd Edition of WHFB. As always I will show my support with my money *if* I am happy with the minis I am getting. Early on the citadel line was incredibly diverse. There was a span there in the 90s where I stopped buying minis from them because I hated the fact that I needed to build units of 10-20 models out of only 2 different casts. BORING!!. Then they moved away from that and started enhancing the line again and I started buying again. The same thing happened when they moved into plastics. Ooo look at my 20 man plastic beastman squad where every figure is exactly the same...blah... Now the plastics are cool to play with and totally customizable. With finecast if I don't like the end result I am not going to buy the figs. It is that simple. If they are crap I will not waste my money. By the same token if they aren't crap I will buy some. Sadly my addiction continues and despite having 5 really large chaos forces I would like to build some new armies. I will have to see if I can do that with finecast minis or if I will be competing with folks on ebay for the previously released metal versions of the figures. Of course any force that is released from now on will not have previous metal minis to buy...so we'll have to see how that goes.

Skriker

Seemed like a pretty good video to me, although I would echo the calls for a tripod and to not say "you should run it like this..." but rather "I'd recommend you run it like this".

Obviously there's a need to be polite and you don't want to aggravate GW when you're trying to make a rational point, but I don't think he was needlessly complimentary if GW at times and seemed to over-look some of GW's more questionable methods. For example, he mentioned the Summer Price increase like it was OK and the customers don't mind the price increasing every year (with or without reason) and things like releasing bad news all in one go seemed to suggest to me it would've been OK had it been spread out. To me, the problem is that these things exist, rather than how/when they're executed.

I think it was a pretty good response to GW though and I hope it gets spread around suitably.

That was my point exactly Dave.
It becomes advice on PR rather than point out that there are better ways to run a business, which Matthew had been explaining earlier in the video.

I felt the things you mentioned diluted his argument.

yeah,

AgeOfEgos wrote:That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection. Overruled.

'Like'

Also this was the most awesome quote from the BTP video. He compares GW to the Empire!

Lando Calrissian on Cloud City wrote:"This deal is getting worse all the time."

I think he was refering to how GW dictates the deal to retailers. who are now in the buisness of selling GW product.
But I think this was perfect for us fans too! We kinda have no choice but to stick with GW. (or I guess leave the GW hobby, but that's not a option I'm looking at any time soon!)


Panic...

Grot 6 wrote:
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Every day goes by to let me increase my desire to embrace the dark side, and bath in the blood of a thousand screaming molten plastic souls.
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QFT

Lord Castellan Mik wrote:Spot on guys... GW, grow up and mature in the business world... we now live in a global economy, heading for a world currency
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Mik

The 'world currency' thing is really really not happening. A new thread to discuss that might be entertaining.

seanzor wrote:Well GW stocks are still holding pretty steady. Look forward to seeing if/when anything will happen to them, but its doubtful.

GW won't take heed until it hits the stockholders and theres bitching and moaning at the shareholders' meeting.

You do appreciate that the average daily turnover of that stock is less than GBP10k right? The informational value of the price action of a highly illiquid instrument is far less than you believe. Stock analysts do not bother covering this firm because the stock cannot be traded. If an existing intitutional investor wanted to get out of their holding they would need an intermediary to find a buyer because they could not sell into the market. What I'm trying to say here is the observed price in the market does _not_ reflect the perceived value of the company.

agnosto wrote:
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Mr. Wells stated that they are aware of the issues and assured me that the current defect rate is around 3%.
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Just to be crystal here - did he write 'defect' rate or 'return' rate. An appreciable difference and why it looks like we are talking about apples and oranges. From personal observation I would guess 20-25% defect rate (i.e. simply not good enough at even half the price) and 5% return rate.

filbert wrote:
The new GW stuff isn't true resin though, at least not in the same manner as FW resin. It's rumoured to be some sort of resin/plastic hybrid, although no-one knows for sure. That's why its properties are slightly different to the FW stuff that people know. That's why reports of it melting in shop windows and cars are quire worrying; if you are going to bring and new, untried material to market, why the hell wouldn't you test it?

I thought it had been established that it is a resin with a plastic filler material for added strength. I might be recalling speculation rather than fact but maybe it rings a bell with someone else.

That's enough quoting for a year...

If GW dropped prices 10% they'd make a killing.

The main thing though is that entry costs are astronomical.

GWs main lifeline is their stores which recruit people, going into an independent store people will try other, cheaper games to get started.

Thread necromancy is a violation of forum rules. Please don't do it. The last post in this thread was back in June.