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Dysartes wrote:Kroot, please tell me they're wrong about a new Dwarf book!

I don't want to see it until we hit 9th, where maybe the designers will have lost their magic item allergy.

Think of the runes, man, think of the runes!

VC's kept our powers, and we basically went from our old list of 18 total powers to 14 new ones. Plus, of the 4 powers we 'lost' in the transition, 2 of those were the 'Master' power which allowed you to raise skellies & ghouls beyond starting size. The other two we 'lost' were the 'make your vamp ethereal' power and the moronic 'heres a more expensive Lv2 wizard upgrade!' powers. (basically, we lost 4 powers we knew well ahead of time would be going anyways so it's no real shock/loss!)
And of those powers we 'lost', well, we can give upto 1 necromancer the skellie-boosting ability and we can outright buy proper wizard level upgrades.

I can see GW scaling back in the number of runes overall, but you'll likely lose stuff that either doesn't gel with 8th, and/or get various minor effects lumped into a stronger rune.
And I honestly can't see GW doing away runes and forcing dwarfs into magic items. That would be a gakstorm on the level of what 7th ed Daemons caused!

Dysartes wrote:Kroot, please tell me they're wrong about a new Dwarf book!

Personally I expect Empire and WoC this year and Dark Elves 1st half next year. That would mean you are safe for another 15 months at least. A Dwarf miniature release without army book could happen though.

From the Beasts of War

beerogre wrote:That’s right guys, all you WHFB Empire players will be stoked to know that the next army update will belong to you!

The next White Dwarf has a new Karl Franz model and a Empire Wizard mounted on a two-headed griffon.

There’s a War Altar and new knightly orders too… does that make you go weak at the knees?

What do you think?

UPDATE: We’re hearing that an Glass Lens Weapon (Ala Archimedes) is on the cards as well. – If so will this include some kind of clear perspex component like in the Necron kits?

http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/warhammer-fantasy/forum/topic/empire-army-update-immanent-have-your-say/

Two headed griffon? Rolls eyes.

Fantasy has got very silly over the last year.

Flashman wrote:Two headed griffon? Rolls eyes.

Fantasy has got very silly over the last year.

Fantasy has always been pretty silly. Things got a bit more standardized in 5th-6th I feel like, but crazy has been on the resurgence and I'm alright with that.

75hastings69 wrote:Empire book is Mr Cruddace not Jervis as some have suggested

Cruddace also did the Tomb Kings book, the Codex IG and Codex Tyranids.

Pics will come with WD next week.

Wait...

Cruddace is doing Empire?

Well...consider my interest just having taken a shot to the head. I'll give it a glance, maybe snag a few of the new kits--but unless Cruddace has been given a lesson in game balancing I'll keep Vampires as my primary interest for now, thankyouverymuch.

Kroothawk wrote:

75hastings69 wrote:Empire book is Mr Cruddace not Jervis as some have suggested

Cruddace also did the Tomb Kings book, the Codex IG and Codex Tyranids.

Pics will come with WD next week.

Hmm Tomb Kings are quite decent in 8th. I'll expect the "mid tier-ness" the recent 8th books have.

Time to prepare to love/hate next week

Not if Cruddace gets his Imperial rage and allows squads of 3 steam tanks
Anyway:

75hastings69 wrote:There are actually 3 war altars in the book
2 in rare 1 as a mount
(...)
I for one will say I'm looking forward to this release more than most as my ostlanders have sat unfinished since the TOFP around 5 years ago! Hopefully the update will be enough to motivate me a little.
(...)
can i add that there is no war wagon in the book...... also that a certain pastry goods adoring chap will be pleased he painted up his reiksguard knights
also sadly for my savoury loving friend there are no halflings either

Posted by Darnok by an anonymous source:

Just a quick one I can confirm rumours for empire after speaking with the rep today releasing 7 April.

Demigryph Knights - 3 per box
War Alter
Lord on Griffon - Plastic
???

Single Hero Sprues of Mage? and Empire Captain

Finecast - Lots of goodies including order specific mages and warrior priests.

On release all units and options will be available from the release date.

http://youtu.be/uD7YVR5Cm98

There's your confirmation then!

Another dynamic and exciting GW product teaser there...

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

tarnish wrote:to be fair woodelfs and brets would need a lot of love to sell even remotely well. they are the bastard children of fantasy along with beastmen....

They also need a lot of work to be properly effective, if that makes sense.

They mostly just need a points cost hike, along with some special rules for Wood Elves to let them remain a mostly skirmisher army.

Brets just needs that points cost hike. Maybe some new special rules, and some better grail knights.

I'm assuming by points cost hike you really mean points cost reduction? Woodies are already incredibly overcosted by today's books standards (12 points for a T3 spearman, really?).

From Bell of Lost Souls:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/03/wfb-mystery-empire-gryphon.html

Photo is broken for me, can someone rehost?

Manchu wrote:Photo is broken for me, can someone rehost?

Just for you...

So now we have rumormongers digging through the GW garbage...

Glorious!

Thanks very much, pretre.

Empire Gryphon Frame 2? Does "frame" mean sprue?

Indeed it does.

Most likely; all this does is confirm that we're getting a plastic Gryphon kit.

That's pretty exciting however considering the Island of Blood Elf griffon.

Oh it certainly is exciting; no doubt.

But it just means that we will see a big ol' plastic character kit for Empire as that has been the trend lately.

Manchu wrote:That's pretty exciting however considering the Island of Blood Elf griffon.

It really is. Here's hoping it looks even half as good. Myself, I'm hoping for a near direct translation of the metal 6th ed Griffon.

I liked that trailer. I actually had a moment where I considered an Empire army, then the thought was immediately beaten to submissions by the thousands of ideas that were waiting before it.

Kroothawk wrote:Finecast - Lots of goodies including order specific mages...

Uhh... supurfluous much?

According to the internet,

6 Plastic kits:

Karl Franz on Death Claw 1 fig. plastic 43 EUR
Empire Celestial Hurricanium/Luminark of Hish 1 fig. plastic 39 EUR (2 Rare slot magic platforms)
Empire Demigryph Knights 3 fig. plastic 43 EUR
Captain plastic 1 fig. 10,5 EU
Engineer plastic 10,5 EUR
Volkar on war altar plastic 1 fig 39 EUR

Finecast:

Witch hunter 1 fig resin 13 EUR
Markus Wolfhart 1 fig resin 13 EUR
Empire amber wizard 1 fig resin splash release 13 EUR
Warrior priest 1 fig resin 13 eur

ph34r wrote:
Finecast:

Witch hunter 1 fig resin 13 EUR

S***.


Looks like I traded off my Empire prematurely.

Yet no news of the new Nuln cannon.

>witch hunter
Do want.

Well alright looks like these guys are almost ready to go. Be interesting to see how the army goes and if the usual build of big blocks of infantry with cannons everywhere will change (I doubt it, but Demigriffs might be a good choice for support)

I hope Lords other than Arch Lectors/Wizard Lords are worth anything

kenshin620 wrote:Well alright looks like these guys are almost ready to go. Be interesting to see how the army goes and if the usual build of big blocks of infantry with cannons everywhere will change (I doubt it, but Demigriffs might be a good choice for support)

I hope Lords other than Arch Lectors/Wizard Lords are worth anything

It's 8th edition. Internet "wisdom" decrees that when possible, you must always include a Lv4 wizard or you're doing it wrong!