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well it clearly is meta-ment to be deployed wyth 2 bucher cannon and mark of nurgle, a supa-psi-dakka dread For Kai'os!
low armur are lame, but i think they are low to balance the unholy vigour.

Ratliker wrote:well it clearly is meta-ment to be deployed wyth 2 bucher cannon and mark of nurgle, a supa-psi-dakka dread For Kai'os!
low armur are lame, but i think they are low to balance the unholy vigour.

Yeah. Low armor doesn't necessarily mean weak. Look at necron vehicles.
They also technically have low armor, but they have enough special abilities to counter-act that (Quantum Shielding, living metal, symbiotic repair...)


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Alpharius wrote:A better value how?

And to me, it is a rather ridiculous looking thing - way oversized for what it can do, at least for now.

Contemptors all the way for me!

Plus, they at least have the added benefit as functioning as "counts as" Dreadnoughts in 'regular' games of 40K.

Why would you proxy it as an ordinary dreadnaught?

Why would anyone have an issue with this being a counts as Dread in 40K btw?

I've seen Deff Dreads bigger than this thing, most of the time its a disadvantage to the user of the model as its easier to see, and less like to get a hull down save.

Hell, I think my own Deff Dread in the Gallery is as big if not bigger than this guy, and no one batted an eyelid when I took him to Lenton for the 40K doubles tournie.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Alpharius wrote:A better value how?

And to me, it is a rather ridiculous looking thing - way oversized for what it can do, at least for now.

Contemptors all the way for me!

Plus, they at least have the added benefit as functioning as "counts as" Dreadnoughts in 'regular' games of 40K.

Why would you proxy it as an ordinary dreadnaught?

I think he means you can proxy the contemptor as a regular dreadnought.

Ratliker wrote:well it clearly is meta-ment to be deployed wyth 2 bucher cannon and mark of nurgle, a supa-psi-dakka dread For Kai'os!
low armur are lame, but i think they are low to balance the unholy vigour.

Yeah, except it has the firepower of a regular psyfleman dreadnought, but costs almost 2x as much. And it has weak side armor. But I guess you can stand back up 1/6 of the time and have a sort of 5+ invulnerable?

That with two butcher cannons and mark of tzeentch seems mad OP. 8 S8AP4 shots that reroll 1s to hit at only 210 xD.

whitedragon wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Alpharius wrote:A better value how?

And to me, it is a rather ridiculous looking thing - way oversized for what it can do, at least for now.

Contemptors all the way for me!

Plus, they at least have the added benefit as functioning as "counts as" Dreadnoughts in 'regular' games of 40K.

Why would you proxy it as an ordinary dreadnaught?

I think he means you can proxy the contemptor as a regular dreadnought.

Why would you proxy a contemptor as a normal dread? Sure it'll look good, but if I pay for a special dread, then I am sure as hell would use it as a special dread.

I think the Decimator looks pretty ace. Anyone know when the Khador Codex comes out?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Why would you proxy a contemptor as a normal dread? Sure it'll look good, but if I pay for a special dread, then I am sure as hell would use it as a special dread.

For a game/event that doesn't allow FW units, of course!!

Oh man, I like the look of this beast. Just trying now to think how I can get rid of the chaosy bits and add it to my marine army!

123birds wrote:That with two butcher cannons and mark of tzeentch seems mad OP. 8 S8AP4 shots that reroll 1s to hit at only 210 xD.

Or you could have a psyfleman with 4 of the same shots and which have BS4 instead of 3, and re-roll on a 1-2 instead of just a 1. And has side armor 12. And is smaller. And costs almost half as much. And has fortitude.

It looks pretty damn cool. However, the 80's called and they want their shoulder pads back

Seems all FW threads are the same - people complaining that the new unit is [too powerful/not powerful enough].

H.B.M.C. wrote:Seems all FW threads are the same - people complaining that the new unit is [too powerful/not powerful enough].

Come on - pick a side!

H.B.M.C. wrote:Seems all FW threads are the same - people complaining that the new unit is [too powerful/not powerful enough].

Uh, and what did you expect people to focus on? Arguing about whether it has too many or too few spikes? Rules make or break purchases for many people.

Which in turn, ph34r, just leads to a "is FW legal argument".



Slinky - I choose the "It's a cool model and I care little what it's rules are as I'll make my own" side. Is that a real side?

That's mine, HBMC. Rules change, I'll always like the model!

ph34r wrote:Yeah, except it has the firepower of a regular psyfleman dreadnought, but costs almost 2x as much. And it has weak side armor. But I guess you can stand back up 1/6 of the time and have a sort of 5+ invulnerable?

If by almost twice as much you mean 60% more.

It's totally immune to stunning and shaken, which is better than Fortitude.

It stands back up 11/36 times and has a 5/9 save vs weapon destroyed/immobilized.

It averages 4 hits at S8 with 2 Butcher's Cannons. Riflemen average 3.7. 2 Butcher Cannons can get 8 hits, 2 autocannons can get 4.

*Dedication to Nurgle is the only one worth considering, and it may as well be mandatory. For this reason, I doubt the Dedication's will remain the same when the real rules come out.

I think I need to see it painted before I cast judgement. I like it, but I want to see it in some chaotic colors.

I like the model but it seems like one could make a scratch built without too much sculpting (or a ton of sculpting if you want to go the uber-Nurgle route).

yea stop me here if i'm way out of line, but whats it FOR?

a chaos contemptor?

I almost wish it'd be large and just call it a Chaos Knight class titan. just needs a bigger base if you ask me.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Which in turn, ph34r, just leads to a "is FW legal argument".

It's true, but is that a problem? There is not much more to discuss.

Rimmy wrote:yea stop me here if i'm way out of line, but whats it FOR?

a chaos contemptor?

I almost wish it'd be large and just call it a Chaos Knight class titan. just needs a bigger base if you ask me.

Its a whole new unit...

DarknessEternal wrote:

ph34r wrote:Yeah, except it has the firepower of a regular psyfleman dreadnought, but costs almost 2x as much. And it has weak side armor. But I guess you can stand back up 1/6 of the time and have a sort of 5+ invulnerable?

If by almost twice as much you mean 60% more.

It's totally immune to stunning and shaken, which is better than Fortitude.

It stands back up 11/36 times and has a 5/9 save vs weapon destroyed/immobilized.

It averages 4 hits at S8 with 2 Butcher's Cannons. Riflemen average 3.7. 2 Butcher Cannons can get 8 hits, 2 autocannons can get 4.

*Dedication to Nurgle is the only one worth considering, and it may as well be mandatory. For this reason, I doubt the Dedication's will remain the same when the real rules come out.

So you pay 60% more points for a large model that will rarely get cover, which has a piddling 8% increased firepower. 100% immunity to stunned and shaken is good, and a bit better than fortitude, but you're going to need it with your side armor 11. The standing back up is pretty decent.

Overall the nurgle mark is the only thing that puts it into "maybe" territory. It's hard to decide what to root on for this model, as a chaos player it looks awesome but if the rules are too viable nobody will want to play it. (just for you HBMC)

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Rimmy wrote:yea stop me here if i'm way out of line, but whats it FOR?

a chaos contemptor?

I almost wish it'd be large and just call it a Chaos Knight class titan. just needs a bigger base if you ask me.

Its a whole new unit...

that doesn't exactly answer my question. what is its intended purpose?

Mmh 80$ plus shipping huh?...

Ok Warmachine Khador or Protectorate of Menoth Warjacks!, there is finaly a use for you guys!

Just had Defilers armors plates on the shoulders, chaos bits and voila!!!

Rimmy wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Rimmy wrote:yea stop me here if i'm way out of line, but whats it FOR?

a chaos contemptor?

I almost wish it'd be large and just call it a Chaos Knight class titan. just needs a bigger base if you ask me.

Its a whole new unit...

that doesn't exactly answer my question. what is its intended purpose?

Dude read the thread or the FW site for the experimental rules and you will see...

Rimmy wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Rimmy wrote:yea stop me here if i'm way out of line, but whats it FOR?

a chaos contemptor?

I almost wish it'd be large and just call it a Chaos Knight class titan. just needs a bigger base if you ask me.

Its a whole new unit...

that doesn't exactly answer my question. what is its intended purpose?

Oh I see!
Well, I would imagine it to be anti-transport, considering its claw special ability. Isn't it cheaper than a contemptor too?
It appears to be a bit nastier against meqs than dreadnaughts.
Oh, and its really, really hard to kill. Until your opponent rolls that 1, then the decimator will always be a threat on the field.

I quite like the look of the Decimator but I will have to agree that the sizing of the model is a little goofy. Does anyone else suspect the model was oversized for because of “rule of cool”? Also I’m also going to agree with the Warmachine comparisons. As a Cryx collector, I can see a strong resemblance to the Slayer chassis.

In regards to the rules, they’re not as bad as I though they would be. I think they just need a little more “finetuning”. I’d either boost the side armour to 12pts or lower the base point cost by about 15-20pts.

As a side note, I quite like the fact that the model has rules for dedication. Hopefully this is a sign for what’s to come in the next CSM dex.

I have no problem with the armor tbh. A dread has what? 12-12-10? Well this guy has 12-11-11. Seems right to me.

This guy's biggest draw is the fact that it can be taken with a Chaos Daemon army.

Twin Butcher Cannons means it comes out of the gate with 8 Str 8, AP 4 attacks on BS 3. For an army needing firepower, it gets a massive amount just from the Elites slot with this guy.