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As with anything, respect begets respect. But if you haven't noticed, I've been defending my position from no less than 5 people, and some seem less interested in my arguments than in simply arguing with me. I have not been shown much respect, and those who do, I have not one grievance against. Seriously, I'm being trolled from all sides and then treated like a troll. Attack the argument people.. not the person behind it.

Yeah it is currently a stalemate. However the book does say the Orks keep coming. At the current time every ork in 10 ly is a coming to the "Big fight" as it goes on, more orks will come. It is the nature of the orks.

Given time the Orks will win that war as they out produce the nids. The Nids need to win to keep production up, the orks simply need to stall.

Don't the 'nids to take their biomass back to the spawning pool to gain it anyway? So biomass can only be collected once a planet is pacified.

Orks win by attrition if so.

Aye, about the brain bug thing, its kinda just another way to sicken and kill more Orks and stunt the growth of more. Symbotic relationships with Tyranids and fetal Orks doesn't seem too far fetched to me as the parasitic Tyranid creature would simply continue to infest more and more Orks from their spores much like any other communicable disease.
Those that are discovered and deemed incurable or just plain weak = slaughtered, just as you said. = More spores, and more infant Orks to infect = more being slain and the cycle continues and drains Orkish resources.

@ Hunterofdarkness: Doesn't it also say that the Tyranids are coming as well? Even the m41 starchart suggests that there are trillions more Tyranids on the way. Plus Tyranids can actively consume and Tyranniform a planet while invading it. The Orks don't just have to stall, they have to prevent Tyranids completely from reaching the planets themselves or else be locked into a war without end: The Orks reproducing ceaselessly and virtually feeding the Tyranid swarm with limitless supplies of food.




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DeadlySquirrel wrote:Don't the 'nids to take their biomass back to the spawning pool to gain it anyway? So biomass can only be collected once a planet is pacified.

Orks win by attrition if so.

In a nutshell yes, but even so, the planet Tyraniforms with the Tyrannid invasion and digestion pools are as abundant as cesspools for the billions if not trillions of dead that will be piling up everywhere. The same could be said of the spores, they are vulnerable to attack (and in this case easy consumption) by the Tyranids. The Orks would need to protect them as fiercely as the Tyranids, for anywhere the Orks would be growing, Tyranids would be attacking and feasting.

D*@#it! Nearly forgot: As far as the WAAGH goes, I thought it was a psychic power unrelated to the warp? If so, I think that there needs to be a clarification about the Tyranid Shadow of the Warp ability. Does it cloud the Orks abilities like it does to the Imperium?

DeadlySquirrel wrote:Don't the 'nids to take their biomass back to the spawning pool to gain it anyway?

Only if they win, yeah.

Hunterindarkness wrote:Yeah it is currently a stalemate. However the book does say the Orks keep coming. At the current time every ork in 10 ly is a coming to the "Big fight" as it goes on, more orks will come. It is the nature of the orks.

Given time the Orks will win that war as they out produce the nids. The Nids need to win to keep production up, the orks simply need to stall.

We also have no way of knowing how many nid fleets are coming from other galaxies, they don'y necessarily have to devour all the orks for biomass they can simply draw from huge amounts of nids arriving in this galaxy. more orks come - more nids come ... the stalemate continues.

Warboss Gideon wrote:Orks aren't connected to the warp, and can their species can tell when another ork isn't well... Orky, that's why genestealer orks aren't running around, Orks don't like it on a cellular level. But to continue on the warp aspect, the nids can take out all kinds of warp energies, but WAAAGH energies are different in that they only effect orks

Furthermore, Tyranids do not blot out psychic powers. Hell, humans can actually mimic Tyranid powers anyway-- even low level human psykers can produce an effect (smaller, but otherwise identical) to the hive mind.

razor5647 wrote:We also have no way of knowing how many nid fleets are coming from other galaxies, they don'y necessarily have to devour all the orks for biomass they can simply draw from huge amounts of nids arriving in this galaxy. more orks come - more nids come ... the stalemate continues.

The 'nid fanboys assume there's uncountable 'nid fleets, but for all we know, the 'nid fleets we've seen thus far are all they have-- and to them this is a desperate grab for resources which they may not even succeed.

razor5647 wrote:
We also have no way of knowing how many nid fleets are coming from other galaxies, they don'y necessarily have to devour all the orks for biomass they can simply draw from huge amounts of nids arriving in this galaxy. more orks come - more nids come ... the stalemate continues.

I like you. You'll be absorbed last with me.

Unfortunately the rebuttle is going to be as it has been before, "But we don't know how many there are! It could be loads, or really not that much, and Orks could be driving them from another galaxy but we don't know for sure, in fact we don't even know if Orks made it to other galaxies and if they have, who knows what terrible forces are destroying them there? It could be a Tyranid race that has long evolved to feast off of Orks like cattle and pump them in an endless tide to other galaxies...."

Yup Melissia, you beat me to it.

A similar effect to the Hive Mind? How so?

The nid fleets however are far slower then the Ork fleets. And the orks also respawn at a faster rate with a greater number. At the rate the nids fleet move the war will be long over before the nids achieve overwhelming numbers.

Hunterindarkness wrote:The nid fleets however are far slower then the Ork fleets. And the orks also respawn at a faster rate with a greater number. At the rate the nids fleet move the war will be long over before the nids achieve overwhelming numbers.

In some cases the Orks find ways to enter into the warp, but it's not necessarily intentionally every time. The Tyranids are just as randomly thrown into the warp and emerge in strange places all over the galaxy. Space Hulks are prime example of the just plain weirdness of the Tyranid and Orkish relationship. You're just as likely to find Tyranids on ancient Space Hulks as you are to find Orks, and inside that closed space are often eternal battles where the Orks grow up, die fighting the Tyranids, are eaten, make more Tyranids and then the Orkish spores that aren't consumed grow up and attack the Tyranids again. It's a prime example of this galaxy wide conflict and what would happen, only that in the locked container that is the galaxy wide space hulk, the Tyranids are flooding into it and there aren't many Orks doing the same from the opposite side, they're already there.

based on the purpose of this thread the war isn't over until one race or the other wins. (I think it far more likely that both races will be destroyed but..)

And it is not a question of speed the nids entering the galaxy are doing so at a constant rate. the hive fleets in the galaxy already haven't fully arrived and the nids that are still in intergalactic space could in theory consume more biomass from other systems before making it to the conflict zone.

And I know we have no way of knowing how many nids are on the way but with a conflict this large lasting this long cosmic events could end the conflict like a star going nova or a warp storm disrupting all interstellar travel.. There are simply too many variables!!

razor5647 wrote:based on the purpose of this thread the war isn't over until one race or the other wins. (I think it far more likely that both races will be destroyed but..)

And it is not a question of speed the nids entering the galaxy are doing so at a constant rate. the hive fleets in the galaxy already haven't fully arrived and the nids that are still in intergalactic space could in theory consume more biomass from other systems before making it to the conflict zone.

And I know we have no way of knowing how many nids are on the way but with a conflict this large lasting this long cosmic events could end the conflict like a star going nova or a warp storm disrupting all interstellar travel.. There are simply too many variables!!

I agree with you. This argument is mostly something along the lines of a predator and it's prey, the Orks gain no benefit from losing against the Tyrannids because they'd be driven into extinction. The Tyranids suffer the same fate if they lose outright to the Orks, but in winning the Tyranids also will likely die off because there would be no more food left in the galaxy. So even if all of my arguments I have presented rang true and the Orks got the green snot kicked out of them the end result of a Tyranid victory would be the extinction of all life in the milky way. If none of them are true then the Orks win but are dragged into a war of attrition so brutal only the Orks could survive it in the first place, and as it has been said, the ultimate victory would likely go down to the very last Ork and Tyrannid spore and zygote. We must also consider the terrible consequence of just how powerful Khorne and Nurgle would become from all of the death and destruction of this conflict would bring... and that the victor, whomever it would be, would get smoked outright by an endless tide of Daemons (held at bay only by the extinct Eldar and Imperium).

Edit: I can't spell correctly for some reason today. Sorry for the ridiculous amount of OCD edits.

Ok first off the nids do not need to take over a planet completly to be able to harvest it, as seen in the DOW 2 series the nids start growing small pools everywhere for the harvest.

Next is that the orks can not reproduce as effectivly as usually since the nids release micro organisms that can take out the ork spoors( this might not be true cause I read this on the lex so look it up in a nid codex about the octarius war please)

To razor5647 I can see where your point is coming from, where both sides will eleminate the othe but if that happens then it is a ork vic cause the few spoors that landed will start the process all over again.

Finally to the chaos wins thing, that is unlikly cause if the orks win this huge battle Gork and Mork who will have soaked up a lot of worship from that huge waaagh will be 6 times as strong as Khorne since they already are more powerfull it wouldnt matter in the end

still rooting for orks but I cant just let some of these things go un-answered since I want this thread to continue!!!!!!!

Warboss Gideon wrote:So... Unless I'm mistaken, the fluff already says there are Orks and Tyranids fighting in massive stalemates already, because neither can gain a foothold, while the IoM just kinda watches and hopes they kill each other. So with that all said, looks like the Orks and Nids are evenly matched and a winner wont be crawling out anytime soon, both are too streamlined for killing.

If that happened not only would the Tryannids gain control of many Orks simply because of brain bugs implanted in them separating them from the rest of Ork kind because the Hive Mind can smother it like warp energies with the Shadow of the Warp

Orks aren't connected to the warp, and can their species can tell when another ork isn't well... Orky, that's why genestealer orks aren't running around, Orks don't like it on a cellular level. But to continue on the warp aspect, the nids can take out all kinds of warp energies, but WAAAGH energies are different in that they only effect orks

Regardless... these fights just kinda run into a stalemate, the one thing the orks have up on the nids is that they can team up, Hive Fleets don't become friends, multiple WAAAGHs do though

Actually in second edition there used to be ork genstealers at different levels, but they sort of nixed that idea in later editions...


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DemetriDominov wrote:As with anything, respect begets respect. But if you haven't noticed, I've been defending my position from no less than 5 people, and some seem less interested in my arguments than in simply arguing with me. I have not been shown much respect, and those who do, I have not one grievance against. Seriously, I'm being trolled from all sides and then treated like a troll. Attack the argument people.. not the person behind it.

Actually you have just been saying you are right and that anyone that does not have your opinion is wrong. Much of what you call trolling is brought on by yourself and your abrassive nature

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:

Actually you have just been saying you are right and that anyone that does not have your opinion is wrong. Much of what you call trolling is brought on by yourself and your abrassive nature

DemetriDominov wrote: Attack the argument people.. not the person behind it.

DemetriDominov wrote:

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:

Actually you have just been saying you are right and that anyone that does not have your opinion is wrong. Much of what you call trolling is brought on by yourself and your abrassive nature

DemetriDominov wrote: Attack the argument people.. not the person behind it.

That's good advice.

You should start following it.

Your so-called "solid evidence" isn't.

You need to explain more on the "solid evidence" line. It isn't what? It's not true? It's not "good advice?". I need to follow solid evidence? I have no idea what you're talking about because that's not a full sentence.

There is zero solid evidence. You keep using stuff that has been over ruled and most people call shaky to start with.


Another note not being snarky man, but if you really did not understand her last post you either have been awake far to long, been drinking or have low language comprehension. As it was pretty clear what she said.

Actually in second edition there used to be ork genstealers at different levels, but they sort of nixed that idea in later editions...

Oh they totally exist, just not alot haha

D*@#it! Nearly forgot: As far as the WAAGH goes, I thought it was a psychic power unrelated to the warp? If so, I think that there needs to be a clarification about the Tyranid Shadow of the Warp ability. Does it cloud the Orks abilities like it does to the Imperium?

Don't think they could, don't think anything really blocks out WAAAGH energies, I'm not 100% though
Also the tyranid parasite idea does bring a new aspect of the fight to light, I didn't know the tyranids could do that kind of thing, very clever though

Although, just like the orks fighting tyranids, this argument will never have a winner lol

Hunterindarkness wrote:There is zero solid evidence. You keep using stuff that has been over ruled and most people call shaky to start with.


Another note not being snarky man, but if you really did not understand her last post you either have been awake far to long, been drinking or have low language comprehension. As it was pretty clear what she said.

1. Dunno how you can get speculation from a quote in the rulebook.

2. Nope. Don't get it.


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Warboss Gideon wrote:
Although, just like the orks fighting tyranids, this argument will never have a winner lol

Pretty sure that's the most accurate statement anyone has made on this thread lol.

DemetriDominov wrote:

1. Dunno how you can get speculation from a quote in the rulebook.

2. Nope. Don't get it.

1: Its a GW product. That alone means it will be contradicted by just about every other GW product on the subject. And it has been, so that is all it is at this point. Speculation.

2: She said you should take your own advice and that your evidence was not solid.

Edit: to be fair your quote at the time may have been what sadly counts as the pitiful 40k canon at the time or a left over or just something that sounded neat. Currently however, every since the nid codex it is purely speculation.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

DemetriDominov wrote:

1. Dunno how you can get speculation from a quote in the rulebook.

2. Nope. Don't get it.

1: Its a GW product. That alone means it will be contradicted by just about every other GW product on the subject. And it has been, so that is all it is at this point. Speculation.

2: She said you should take your own advice and that your evidence was not solid.

Edit: to be fair your quote at the time may have been what sadly counts as the pitiful 40k canon at the time or a left over or just something that sounded neat. Currently however, every since the nid codex it is purely speculation.

Thank you for giving me some credit. I'm going purely off of what I have because I don't have the means to buy a tyrannid codex. I don't even like the tyrannids really, I'd fight them day and night if I could, but I'm limited by resources and I avoid quoting lexicannum on these things for obvious reasons.

That last sentence that she posted was about as vague as she could have possibly made it.. it's missing the crucial word of a second "solid", or even a comma. Virtually anything grammatically correct other than the way it's written would be more clear as to what she meant lol.

About the question if the 'nids warpshadow can cancel out the Waagh energy or not.
Would it not mean that, if it did, the orks would be pretty unable to fight at all? What with most of their equipment that just works because of that. They would be down to choppas. And even Orks can't put up much of a fight that way.

I just wanted to chuck my points into this well reasoned and minorly uninformed debate.

1: When haveTyranids ever fought each other? Unlike the Orkz, the Tyranids are one force working in harmony to eat whatever they can. IF the Orkz band together to kill Tyranids they still have the problem of needing a leader they agree on, which will never happen. No single Ork can progress high enough above the others to be unbeatable and the few that have tried meet a swift end at enemy hands during there vain attempts and showing their power.

2: The full force of the Tyranids is unknown where as, Orkz havn't even spread from the known space during 40k history/lore. This means that although there is a specific number of Orkz the tyranids that exsist in the known space may only be a minute portion of their full power. If it calls for it the Hive mind simply needs to draw on more resorces hidden from us.

3: The Tyranids have the Upper hand asthey can cut communications using the Shadows of the Warp, More Orks would have no way of finding if their kin are being attacked and so the Tranids are able to call upon the element of surprise.

4: I admit that the Tyranids will loose on a multiple of Battle fields, but Orkz won't hold a planet forever against an enemy that is endless.

5: Tyranids eat Biomass,Rippers could simply spend their time eating the Orky mushrooms as they grow.This would cut off their reinforcement supply using a minimal resource and stop the growth of Ork forces, then it only needs the numbers to beat the existing Orkz which with all that shroom mass can easily be made. An alternative method would be using Pyrovores to burn the spores as they drift through the air.

These are five, reliable lore backed arguements as to why I feel the Tyranids will win. I agree that Orkz will put up a huge fight and every other race will most likely be killed out in the process, but you can't stop the innevitable. The Orkz vs Deamons arguement inevitably ends the same way. Now Tyranids vs Deamons is a simple task of The Hive mind never actually sees Deamons he could simply disgard their existance and poof no more Deamons.

Hezekial wrote:I just wanted to chuck my points into this well reasoned and minorly uninformed debate.

1: When haveTyranids ever fought each other? Unlike the Orkz, the Tyranids are one force working in harmony to eat whatever they can. IF the Orkz band together to kill Tyranids they still have the problem of needing a leader they agree on, which will never happen. No single Ork can progress high enough above the others to be unbeatable and the few that have tried meet a swift end at enemy hands during there vain attempts and showing their power.

2: The full force of the Tyranids is unknown where as, Orkz havn't even spread from the known space during 40k history/lore. This means that although there is a specific number of Orkz the tyranids that exsist in the known space may only be a minute portion of their full power. If it calls for it the Hive mind simply needs to draw on more resorces hidden from us.

3: The Tyranids have the Upper hand asthey can cut communications using the Shadows of the Warp, More Orks would have no way of finding if their kin are being attacked and so the Tranids are able to call upon the element of surprise.

4: I admit that the Tyranids will loose on a multiple of Battle fields, but Orkz won't hold a planet forever against an enemy that is endless.

5: Tyranids eat Biomass,Rippers could simply spend their time eating the Orky mushrooms as they grow.This would cut off their reinforcement supply using a minimal resource and stop the growth of Ork forces, then it only needs the numbers to beat the existing Orkz which with all that shroom mass can easily be made. An alternative method would be using Pyrovores to burn the spores as they drift through the air.

These are five, reliable lore backed arguements as to why I feel the Tyranids will win. I agree that Orkz will put up a huge fight and every other race will most likely be killed out in the process, but you can't stop the innevitable. The Orkz vs Deamons arguement inevitably ends the same way. Now Tyranids vs Deamons is a simple task of The Hive mind never actually sees Deamons he could simply disgard their existance and poof no more Deamons.

I agree with your points for the most part but there a few holes
1.)Though Tyranids do not fight eachother there have been Ork Warlords out there that commanded the respect of enough orks to combine WAAAGHS like Ghazghul Mag Urhik Thraka, that I think would have the means to hold them together for such an endevour, though I agree having such a leader may not occur

2.) I am fairly certain that the Emperor tried to take a census of the Orks and was unable to get an idea of exact numbers, except that they existed in every corner of the galaxy, who's to say that they have not ventured beyond, I know long shot, but playing devil's advocate here
3.) I do not believe shadow of the warp would totallly block their abilities or communications entirely as 1 it has a range and 2 WAAAGH esp. Ghazy's still works even in shadow of the warp so I don't believe it can shut the power of the waagh down.. just my opinion
4.) I think that they could I don't think no matter what the tyranids do they could stop all the spores from developing more orks as they would not hold the entire planet and thus areas free of nids or battle could still develop orks
5.) I agree that the nids could use the shrooms, but again they would not control all of the land so the orks would still have shrooms to feed or feed the Squigs

I am not saying who will win, I am just saying I don't think it is easy to call... in my opinion.. cheers all

1: When haveTyranids ever fought each other? Unlike the Orkz, the Tyranids are one force working in harmony to eat whatever they can. IF the Orkz band together to kill Tyranids they still have the problem of needing a leader they agree on, which will never happen. No single Ork can progress high enough above the others to be unbeatable and the few that have tried meet a swift end at enemy hands during there vain attempts and showing their power.

Ghazzy united most of the orks, no ork willingly questions him, aaaaaaand the hive fleets don't become friends, they fight each other to get a hybrid of themselves, so if behemoth and kracken met, they'd fight....

3: The Tyranids have the Upper hand asthey can cut communications using the Shadows of the Warp, More Orks would have no way of finding if their kin are being attacked and so the Tranids are able to call upon the element of surprise.

Shadows of the warp doesn't kill the WAAAGH, it's an independent force created by orks themselves

Warboss Gideon wrote:
Ghazzy united most of the orks, no ork willingly questions him, aaaaaaand the hive fleets don't become friends, they fight each other to get a hybrid of themselves, so if behemoth and kracken met, they'd fight....

True, but only if the Hive mind wanted them to. Unlike the Orks, their nature is single tracked for a cause, Orks, by nature are anarchic.

Shadows of the warp doesn't kill the WAAAGH, it's an independent force created by orks themselves

True, but he's saying logistically the Tyranids could still make the bands of Orks isolated from one another by interfering with the signals from one Ork group to another, not kill the WAAGH power itself.


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Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I agree with your points for the most part but there a few holes
1.)Though Tyranids do not fight eachother there have been Ork Warlords out there that commanded the respect of enough orks to combine WAAAGHS like Ghazghul Mag Urhik Thraka, that I think would have the means to hold them together for such an endevour, though I agree having such a leader may not occur

True. But what if he dies? He's not one to hide forever from the Tyranids, he'll be in the thick of it fighting bio-titans if he wants to. The Orks are only banded together by the strongest of leaders and when they die, for all king's reigns don't last forever, there will be infighting that will sap the Orks ability to hold back the continuous tide of tyranids.

2.) I am fairly certain that the Emperor tried to take a census of the Orks and was unable to get an idea of exact numbers, except that they existed in every corner of the galaxy, who's to say that they have not ventured beyond, I know long shot, but playing devil's advocate here.

Melissia says they've received Orkish signals from outside of the galaxy. If it's true, they haven't really elaborated on the topic, meaning it could just be random Orks who flew too far outside of the galaxy and are now stuck in the vast region of intergalactic space... to the possibility that Orks made it to other galaxies and have massive empires there... to even the outside chance that there are Orks driving the Tyranids from the last galaxy they were in like a herd of squigs. Doubt much of this is true though. It's not really in the nature for Tyranids to run away from food, so whatever is chasing them is probably either not alive, not edible, or could just be starvation itself. Who knows?

3.) I do not believe shadow of the warp would totallly block their abilities or communications entirely as 1 it has a range and 2 WAAAGH esp. Ghazy's still works even in shadow of the warp so I don't believe it can shut the power of the waagh down.. just my opinion

Very true. Could effect logistics though.

4.) I think that they could I don't think no matter what the tyranids do they could stop all the spores from developing more orks as they would not hold the entire planet and thus areas free of nids or battle could still develop orks

If it's edible, they have a way to consume them.

5.) I agree that the nids could use the shrooms, but again they would not control all of the land so the orks would still have shrooms to feed or feed the Squigs
I am not saying who will win, I am just saying I don't think it is easy to call... in my opinion.. cheers all

Controlling all of the land all of the time would only happen if one side gained absolute victory. Either the Tyranids take the land, or they lose it to the Orks who restore it unintentionally by their orkish ecosystem.. albeit, endless war because its a strange cycle of life / death. The orks are food capable of fighting for themselves, the Tyranids are super predators that will over centuries if they have to, evolve to survive and continue this cycle of dog eat dog.

Hezekial wrote:I just wanted to chuck my points into this well reasoned and minorly uninformed debate.

1: When haveTyranids ever fought each other? Unlike the Orkz, the Tyranids are one force working in harmony to eat whatever they can. IF the Orkz band together to kill Tyranids they still have the problem of needing a leader they agree on, which will never happen. No single Ork can progress high enough above the others to be unbeatable and the few that have tried meet a swift end at enemy hands during there vain attempts and showing their power.

2: The full force of the Tyranids is unknown where as, Orkz havn't even spread from the known space during 40k history/lore. This means that although there is a specific number of Orkz the tyranids that exsist in the known space may only be a minute portion of their full power. If it calls for it the Hive mind simply needs to draw on more resorces hidden from us.

3: The Tyranids have the Upper hand asthey can cut communications using the Shadows of the Warp, More Orks would have no way of finding if their kin are being attacked and so the Tranids are able to call upon the element of surprise.

4: I admit that the Tyranids will loose on a multiple of Battle fields, but Orkz won't hold a planet forever against an enemy that is endless.

5: Tyranids eat Biomass,Rippers could simply spend their time eating the Orky mushrooms as they grow.This would cut off their reinforcement supply using a minimal resource and stop the growth of Ork forces, then it only needs the numbers to beat the existing Orkz which with all that shroom mass can easily be made. An alternative method would be using Pyrovores to burn the spores as they drift through the air.

These are five, reliable lore backed arguements as to why I feel the Tyranids will win. I agree that Orkz will put up a huge fight and every other race will most likely be killed out in the process, but you can't stop the innevitable. The Orkz vs Deamons arguement inevitably ends the same way. Now Tyranids vs Deamons is a simple task of The Hive mind never actually sees Deamons he could simply disgard their existance and poof no more Deamons.

Your first statment can be proven false, if their were no infightin of the tyranids then their can not be nids vs nids there would never be tt games that might match with the fluff eva.

Second the Iom sent out a probe to other galaxies and found ork signals. Does this mean that orks rulez other galaxies, idk but they are out their and they might have unlimited numbers in this galaxy alone since they are on alot of planets not to mention asteroids and space hulks.

The shadow of the warp might not be that usefull since the worst it would do is make the transition into real space a little bumper then usual, it shouldnt even effect the ork syckers at all since they use waagh energy and not warp energy.

Yeah but they are both endless in their own ways.

That wouldnt happen at all because of the squigs and grots that would be all over the place killing each other.

These are five ways the orks could easily block out the tyranids attacks as you have stated, sir.

The warp shadow has never seemed to effect orks before now. So it is unlikely it effects them at all.

Hunterindarkness wrote:The warp shadow has never seemed to effect orks before now. So it is unlikely it effects them at all.

Yet their weirdboy who is there psycker unit has to take a shadow in the warp leadership test I beleive, even though they get their energy from the waaagh energy all around them. Sorry dont really play against nids that much.