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**Gorechild**

Link - http://www.heroquestclassic.com/redesigns-and-improvements/

The grammar in this last post is laughably bad, so much so that I'm starting to doubt that these updates actually are done by a native English speaker.

Although, if it took gamezone over a year to to 'greatly improve' the fire spell card (changing the colour of a triangle from white, to the background colour), I shouldn't really expect an update post that they've only been writing for a week to actually make sense!

**dagnabit**

HQ 25 on sale? Could be an Aprils Fools joke?

http://warpinpals.blogspot.com/2016/04/por-fin-heroquest-la-venta.html

**Velhart**

There is new artwork from MonsterPit
http://www.monsterspit.com/heroquest-25th/

**Orlanth**

Nice characterisation on the dwarf. I really like that there is a game mechanic for the rivalry with elves which causes a dwarf to fight harder.

**guru**

Some backers had conversations with lanzanos due the lack of information from the project. Lanzanos seems that now are trying to help us. We are trying to do an audit to Gamezone in order to know how the proyect goes. Gamezone is reluctant to it so it could help if a good amount of backers ask for it. Lanzanos now created a zone to put all the comments that you want to send to Gamezone and it is the compromise that GZ will read it.

From Spanish backers group

Buenas a todos.

A Lanzanos se les ha retrasado el tema del comunicado, pero aun así nos han informado de que ya tenemos habilitada la sección de contacto entre los mecenas y el creador (en la que parece ser que Lanzanos también podrá intervenir). Acaba de comenzar, así que puede dar algún problemilla. Cualquier problema comunicarselo a Lanzanos que tratará de arreglarlo lo antes posible.

La sección es privada para los mecenas, con lo que hay que ingresar en la página web para poder ver los mensajes y realizar los propios comentarios. Ingresáis y vais a la página del proyecto. Si aun así no veis la sección, presionar actualizaciones y seguro que en la página a la que os redirija la encontraréis.

Os pido por favor que insistáis en los temas que nos interesan como son la auditoria, el deseo de una fecha de entrega y cualquier otra cosa sobre la que queráis recalcar vuestro interés.

Por favor copiar y traducir el mensaje a otros foros que conozcais

Good morning everyone.

Lánzanos has been delayed them the subject of the statement, but still have informed us that we have enabled the contact section between the backers and the creator (in which it appears that Lánzanos may also intervene). Just started, so I can give some problems. Communicate to lanzanos any problems to try to fix it as soon as possible.

Login and going to the lanzanos hq25 project page. The section is private to the backers, so you have to enter on the website to see messages and make comments themselves.

I ask you please to insist on the issues that concern us such as audit, the desire for a delivery date and anything else on your interest.

Please copy & translate the message to other forums that may know

**Gorechild**

New update and actual new information for once. Whilst I wouldn't go as far as to say its our first look at the actual rules, it describes how to divide out spell cards before the start of a game. It's a little different to the original as there is obviously potential to have more magic wielding characters in this edition. But basically their solution to that issue is to simply give every character less. Whilst I like that they're drawn blind, so you can't guarantee getting a certain spell even if you get to pick your spell class first, I can't help but feel the mage will run out of spells half way through every dungeon and be a liability from there on. All of this is assuming they don't change other mechanics around it though.

Spoiler:

**Gorechild**

I'm sure many of you will have received this as well, Seems as though Lanzanos is putting it's foot down.

This is a google translate, official translation coming soon

From Lánzanos and personally in my name, Gregorio Lopez - Triviño Barras , I apologize to ALL patrons who have pre bought the board game Heroquest 25th anniversary . We can not undo the past , but start from the present to correct the position we have taken . We intend to inform and amend our mistake , heading (if eligís so) the answer you want, as patrons who you are, to be carried out against those responsible for GameZone .
We understand the anger you must feel towards us. Lánzanos has to be a balance between patron and author of the project , so that neither abuses nor injustices are not committed, and in this case have been a shield rather to Gamezone with patrons . And we understand that is not acceptable , much less what you deserve .
I put a little background on the situation: For months we have been receiving many emails from patrons concerned about the project, which we have forwarded to GameZone requiring Dionisio that answer all, in order to answer your questions. Communication with Dionisio had been quite smooth and have always had the power personarnos invitation in his workshop to see the evolution of the project. The problem is that after 16 month delay in the delivery date and with enough information to say the least contradictory, decided not to settle the words of Dionysius and has long been asking that allows us to visit the workshop with several patrons as witnesses to clarify and structure we all parts of the game, and what actual percentage of process are at this time. All accompanied by videos and photos for patrons to see facts, and not have to travel to Seville to see what the status of your project. I hope going in the same direction, patron and Lánzanos, we can convince and pressure Gamezone to allow us to perform the analysis of the project (if you realize, do not ask delivery date, but you can check the actual status of the project and its feasibility He solicitáis many patrons us that we demand a delivery date to Gamezone but we have to do an audit to see how the project is located).
In more than 600 successful projects we have never had this problem, no delays , which have been given much, but flaws and contradictions in communication. Again we feel that you have become patrons felt helpless by Lánzanos and we will amend this error on our part . There are more than 5 years and more than 150,000 people who have supported a project with us and we have never encountered anything or fairly similar.
We hope Gamezone give relent and allow us to make a document showing how the project ( production audit ) is .
The following are steps we will next week send another email to all patrons to conduct a survey to see what steps we take and to decide together. Of course , with all expenses shall Lánzanos with them.
We are open to you send us any idea or proposal in the way that you look more successful (my personal email is gregorio.lopez@lanzanos.com and have enabled one heroquest@lanzanos.com email that among all the partners try to answer Lánzanos all messages you send us ) , in order to have as many opinions about it and take options as open as possible . We will and we will consider all feedback and suggestions that you send us .

I bid you farewell and promise to write back all next week for further progress .

Sincerely

Gregorio Lopez - Triviño Barras, responsible for Lanzanos.com

PS : We will publish esta statement in Inglés in the private forum of the HeroQuest project in Lánzanos Within the next few days

**Slinky**

Definitely seems like Lanzanos are more likely to actually step in, whereas as far as I can tell, Kickstarter will never do anything

**Chillreaper**

Good on them!

Nice to see that they appear to be concerned that this has the potential to harm their reputation and are doing something about that.

Being as Lanzanos are the ones with the money, does this mean that they get to turn up at Gamezone and tell them that they're "disappointed" with current progress?

Am I the only one that wonders if it's going to look like Vader turning up at the Death Star II at the beginning of ROTJ?

**DaveC**

Good to see Lanzanos stepping in - this is by far the biggest project they have had on the site and it could damage their reputation if they let it go unchecked, I'd say they are sick of the complaints they are getting and they need to light a fire under Gamezone.

Gamezone have sent an update this morning - but it's the bare minimum so they can say well we are still moving forward and it hasn't addressed Lanzanos own message at all.

We are still working hard to fulfill our commitment with all HeroQuest fans, and we have new stuff to share with you in your site: heroquestclassic.com

Our last video is dedicated to our female dwarf with her explosive mace, but if it's been a while since your last visit, we invite you to check the last posts about the magic cards or our redesigns and improvements.

Join the fight!

**Low_K**

Gamezone no doubt sent this update in response to Lanzanos' previous mail, although I would've been very surprised if Gamezone would admit the link between the two. It is a bit too much of a coincedence that we get a Gamezone update since months, only 11ish hours after the Lanzanos mail.

I am curious as to what Lanzanos will send in the mail to us next week as, to be honest, I am getting fed up with the wait in combination of no updates nor communication.

**Alpharius**

What reasons has Gamezone given for the long delay?

**Low_K**

Alpharius wrote:
What reasons has Gamezone given for the long delay?

I haven't received a clear answer, and I mailed them a while ago (to be exact 18th of May 2015, this was their response then;

"Hi Low.
We do not have definite shipping date.
We understand your concern about the lack of information, but we will make every effort to send it as soon as possible.
Information on the status of the project is made public at www.heroquestclassic.com. My companions indicate pertinent information.
Sorry I can not be of more help.

Hasta pronto.

Isabel."

After this reply, the first "sign of life" from Gamezone was August 17th 2015 where we were asked to add our personalised names. After confirmation: Silence.

The only "update" they sent, was today and stated by DaveC, and, as said before, was in reaction to Lanzanos' mail earlier.

**Gorechild**

I took them up on their request for suggestions for questions to ask Gamezone. I suggest that anybody else that has backed it does the same because this seems like the first genuine opportunity for us to get answers to the questions they have ignored for the last year and a half.

What I suggested was...

1) for Gamezone to publish a full list of all the game components promised (miniature, scenery piece, card, rules, etc), listing its status as: not designed/partially designed/prototypes made/fully produced.

2) details of how the translations into other languages are being handled, as many update posts have contained very poor English, and I would find it unacceptable if the game was translated to that standard.

3) An estimated completion date, with the preface that we'd be completely understanding if they failed to achieved their target, as long as they explain the reasons for the delay. I just get the feeling their mentality is that the game will be done when its done and they're not bothered when (or if) that ever happens.

4) I also suggested that the core game (for retail and level 1 backers) should be completed, shipped and sold first if Gamezone are in need of additional funds to speed up the production process. The additional components for level 2 and 3 backers (like me), could be sent at a later stage, or ideally as an expansion sent separately.

**455_PWR**

How about a refund? That's my wish and suggestion. I never even got an opportunity to pay for shipping on their site, so my 110 euro pledge is lost somewhere on lanzanos.

I figured I should cut my losses

**Gorechild**

Any Spanish speakers willing to translate this new update?

http://www.heroquestclassic.com/interview-with-dionisio/

Not the whole thing, just any interesting/new details would be really helpful

It seems that the Lanzanos email has provoked them to update more regularly at least, even if they can't be bothered to include subtitles

**Gorechild**

Another update on the magic cards. This one shows all of the rules for the fire magic, although without any wider knowledge about how dealing damage, defence or mind points work it's kind of useless. Nice to get an idea of the concepts they're working with though.

Spoiler:

I hope the odd's of getting these 'fumbles' they talk about are very slim (like 2 on 2d6), because it seems the wizards will kill himself more often than any enemy if it comes down to a 1 in 6 chance

**Orlanth**

Appaling spelling but good concepts. I have beging to have hopes that Heroquest will be a good game in its own right.

**ced1106**

Movement... dice. Yeah, there's a mechanic that boardgame designers still use.

With GZ's playtesting (not that HQ didn't have flaws), I wonder which spells and tactics players will use most.

LIGHTNING BOLT LIGHTNING BOLT LIGHTNING BOLT

**Orlanth**

Movement dice can work, the problem is that normally it means d6, or multiple d6 which is extremely random and fits only a few situations.

The dice for Heroquest are icon dice, so you could have something like 4x 1's a 2x 2's. This is a whole lot less random, but adds an element of uncertainty.

icon dice movement usually works, its is great for monsters as you can never quite tell how far an orc can move, so you cant just plan to sit one square beyond range.

**455_PWR**

Lanzanos sent out an email to backers with a survey. They want to know how backers want them to proceed. The options were to get more info, wait, get refunds, or lawsuit (retribution... I'm assuming that's what they meant in spanish).

I voted refund. If this game actually sees the light of day, I can pick it up then. Otherwise this has been a big waste of money and I doubt I will ever see my game (all emails unanswered from gamezone since they took my pledge money).

Look in your spam folder if you were a backer and voice your opinion !

**Gorechild**

Here is the google translation of the new email:

Hello Dear Patrons :

Last week I wrote an email about the status of Heroquest project and promised that this week we send a survey to all voters to know your opinion on that next steps will give (almost not meet forgive ) . You have been 370 people that I have responded to the first statement. The truth that thank you very much for writing and are very few emails that I have left to answer (were many , sorry for the delay)

* The email was sent to all patrons only spam filters that some patrons may not have reached him .

The survey has been quite difficult to set up , not the technical aspect , but by choosing the right questions. I really do not know if we were right but we want to know your idea about the project. So we have segregated Wait , request information, ask and Return or remuneration.

The survey will be open until Thursday and on Friday November 'll do it for you approve of my way to give much more extended ( my intention is not beating around the bush and to act quickly but are 5,000 patrons and complicated)

Instructions:

This survey is addressed to all patrons of Lánzanos in the Heroquest project, which pre bought the game on the web who buy Gamezone or support to another patron.

Only one vote per user is allowed, and the second question is your email log in Lánzanos because then pass a filter and remove the votes that do not correspond with patrons Lánzanos or we have written as a patron of the web of gamezone or repurchase .

All results will post to be as transparent as possible ( transcode your email response MD5 for data protection)

I've invited you to fill out the survey form Maecenas Heroquest - next moves. To fill it out, visit :

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1lVT2IgCNZsATCvqYhUt_da7axIuVN1tYY46yF-VCCVU/viewform?c=0&w=1

The second question of the survey asks for the email address you used when signing up to lanzanos so they can verify genuine backers.

Here are the options they give us:

wait : this means that prefer to wait for gamezone finish the project without intermediation or request for information

Information : You want to project information from a delivery date to a study of the real situation of the project and can lead to a voluntary audit or even a demand that this be carried out

Refund: no more want to participate in the project and you want the money back , either voluntarily or through a demand

retribution: possibly the most serious and complicated. It includes repayment , remuneration or compensation , considering the project a scam or hoax

I opted for information. Whilst I can understand some people simply wanting to cut their losses and get a refund after so long, I think the easiest way to guarantee that nobody gets their game would be if the majority of backers demand their money back or the crowd funding platform takes GZ to court. I still believe that they genuinely intend to deliver, they've just massively underestimated what is involved in making that a reality and their appalling communications have just made this ten times worse.

I still get the impression that their updates are almost like they're trying to sell the game to those that have already backed it, I just want them to be realistic an honest with their investors and state exactly where they are, what has caused the hold ups, what they're doing to resolve them and when they aim to complete (even if that date has to be moved again).

**Orlanth**

Information

Automatically Appended Next Post:
I must come back from checking my email and going through the link provided. I copy pasted everything into google translate sequentially.

The four options are logical. I hope people don't vote for Retribution as I do not think Gamezone has any intention to deceive. Refund I can understand but will kill the project. Wait will be more of the same but Information demands answers and hopefully will place enough of a fire under Dionisio to complete.

It was clear enough when translated that it came to the four options available for me to chose with confidence what I wanted to choose without being able to read any Spanish.
Translation software, even free stuff has come a long way.

**judgedoug**

Refund with the hopes to buy it later will just not happen - as in, I do not think Gamezone will sell this at retail. Once it gets releases it will most likely be a €300 direct-order boutique item.

**Vindicare101**

And the results of the Lánzanos poll are in...

Dear colaborated:

Forgive the delay in this communication but we wanted to define clearly what steps we are going to do from today. The result (2435 replies) of the survey has been the following:

7,4 % WAIT (181 votes) This means that you prefer to wait until the end without Gamezone intermediation or request for information.

75.6% INFORMATION (1,841 votes) You want information of the project from a delivery date until a study of the actual situation of the projec

11.3% RETURN (276 votes) did not want to participate more in the project and want to return the money, either voluntarily or through a demand.

5.6% REMUNERATION (137 votes) Possibly the most serious and complicated.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yzhj5dpgyzymlnb/Captura%20de%20pantalla%202016-05-11%2018.25.57.png?dl=0

According to the results, Lánzanos will support the option "Request Information". This decision is not binding in the long term, the platform will analyze the evolution of the project and as we go forward by adopting the relevant actions.

The next step will be call to Gamezone to request an audit (the content we will do public to all patrons and sent as late the day 20 of May) and to know at what point of development is the game. In the case of not agree to make such audit, we will proceed to make a complaint to Gamezone with the patrons who wish to join (the expenditure would assume Lanzanos) to force the delivery of the product or return-pay.

The audit will be similar to:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1syA3WtMsMo3gXSHEx12bacesROtOFjleBXIlALb3diY/edit?usp=drive_web (Test document) indicating the % of each product and be as detailed as possible.

In conclusion, Lánzanos wants talk with Gamezone´s team, contact with us, the situation has been left to the five thousand patrons, disinformation and the delay caused should be solved as soon as possible.

Greetings to all and we expect to fix the situation as soon as possible.

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To be honest, I'm pretty satisfied by this, if the poll had come out heavily on the refund / take them to court options... we might have scuttled the game totally.. at least this way, hopefully, we might get a bit of insight into how far along the game actually is... and then decide from there what to do going forward..

**Pacific**

Thanks for posting the info here Vindicare, appreciated.

Glad it came out with that option too, I would like to hold the game in my hands at some point and it would be a shame if the whole thing were scuttled.

Definitely agree that it needs some kind of progress tracker for each component of the game, and how far along it is towards production. At the moment it paints a picture of some kind of Bohemian commune, with the odd beret-wearing sculptor coming in and doing a bit of one sculpt, before getting distracted by the abstract piece of art he's working on to represent the death of Franco.

**DaveC**

Yep that was my desired result and at 75% it's the vast majority of backers that voted preference as well (2,426 of 5,162 backers voted 46%) so hopefully Gamezone will engage with Lanzanos and at least they are keeping further action against GZ as a possibility in case they don't get answers

**Gorechild**

If Gamezone provide all the information mentioned in that test document, as well as an estimated completion date by this time next week (20th May) I will be genuinely amazed.

Fingers crossed though.

**Gorechild**

Another quick rules update, this time explaining line of sight and giving an in-game example of how one of the ignis spells from the last video should work.

Spoiler:

**Orlanth**

Well done to Lanzanos for their handling. They let the community decide, probably due to the pressure of multiple letters demanding different things.

I am very glad the community voted for INFORMATION. I did so as did some others here. It is IMHO the most logical outcome and the backing of 75% of backers means that Lanzanos has some moral weight behind them when they ask to inspect Gamezone and get straight answers from Dionisio.

English translation followed the Spanish test in the document I received, which is a welcome addition. Methinks Lanzanos should add French and German also, perhaps they do and have categorised backers by language now.