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bhsman wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:It's an exo-skeleton. Terminator armor is an exo-skeleton. Power armor is an exo skeleton. It's perfectly in line with how Space Marine exo-skeleton ARMOR is designed.

They're all versions of powered armor, yes, but that's what design aesthetic means.

So what exactly is the problem? Outside of the baby harness thingy, of course...

The problem is that it's fething ugly.

Darth Bob wrote:Dreadknight
- A bit too rounded and sleek for an Imperial vehicle.

Well, it's not a vehicle, it's an exosuit; basically a one-up to Terminator Armour. All the other GK armours aren't blocky and square are they?

- The whole idea is a bit silly...a guy in an exosuit...strapped into another exosuit. But I guess we can work with it.
- You should never use the unhelmeted head. It's just ridiculously obtuse. You're in Terminator armor and yet whatever you're fighting requires you to be in another, more substantially armored suit of armor. Are you really going to go through all the effort to better equip yourself if you're just going to leave your helmet off? C'mon...

The same could be said about the Mark IV Venerable Dreadnought, the entombed pilot is partially exposed as well. As for the unhelmeted heads, well that just a Warhammer 40k thing isn't it? At least the Dreadknight's pilot has the excuse that he's wrapped in a protective forcefield.

Manticore2009 wrote:For some reason it looks like a gadget that the new GW target market will like (14 years and less).

With prices like GW has and no reasonably priced starter set to speak of, I'm not sure 14 and under should be their target market.

Codex $29
"I Must Break You" Draigo $22.25
3 Boxes of Paladins $150
Tons of magnets and resin bases $40
An entire summer of my Daemons vs. my Grey Sensei badasses.... priceless.



I'll be carrying both armies in my bag to ensure epic battles rather than mirror matches...

Fafnir wrote:The problem is that it's fething ugly.

QFT

Anyhow, now my BA need a grey paint job and nemesis force chainswords with hand-held single barreled stormbolters.

Oh, and that dreadnought is now a dreadnight .

Anyone know if the new Grey Knights will scale well with the old ones?

Im wondering how my daemons would fair xD probaly not good against anything in the new GK codex xD

does this mean that in a tournamwnt if you face GKs you should just pack up? or will there be benefits for daemons to "balance" it for tournaments

His Master's Voice wrote:So what exactly is the problem? Outside of the baby harness thingy, of course...

Sleek curves? Tall, spindly limbs? This thing would be perfect as a Tau battlesuit aside from the ******-up baby-harness design.

People may complain about the Imperial vehicle aesthetic for being too boxy, but nevertheless it's how they do stuff. This was shoehorned in, and anyone who approved it should be shot into the sun.

And to anyone who says "But bhsman, this is how they deal with Greater Daemons!" I say two things:

-Armageddon

-Secondly, by that logic the next Brettonian army book should have Giants. Not because it would be awesome, but because the poor knights are too small to fight the big evil dragons.

You're missing the goddamn point.

Manticore2009 wrote:Wow.
You see Im a fanboy. I get everything from GW. The amount of hoarding that i do is insane. People that know my websites and blogs know that Im an idiot when it comes down to Gw. I used to work for them and bought more that 35k$ CDN in 5 years....

But at these prices...its JUST SAY NO!!!!

Ebay will have them bitz available soon enough and thats it. GW went overboard this time with their pricing. On top of this, Dread Knight doesnt look 40k like and Terminators....

well the Terms looks like their....dancing????

The prices went down! How can everyone be so dense!?!

for all you dreadknight haters out there... here's a pretty cool looking counts-as based on the dread body instead courtesy of a fellow dakkite. technically, it's a true scale dread but it looks tall enough (albeit maybe less bulky up top).




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anyone know if anything is in the fast attack section besides the bunny-ear antenna GK and the storm raven?

Alphacerberus wrote:Im wondering how my daemons would fair xD probaly not good against anything in the new GK codex xD

does this mean that in a tournamwnt if you face GKs you should just pack up? or will there be benefits for daemons to "balance" it for tournaments

Pretty much. Judging by the scandex, with proper abuse of Warp Quake and the first turn, a GK player can make it so the Daemon player mishaps 100% of the time.

Alpharius wrote:

Redemption wrote:

20 year established design aestetics my ass. Dreadnoughts used to look like this:

That pic?

It is OLD.

The current Dreadnought design has been the 'norm' for damn near close to 20 years...

Platuan4th wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote: Knight-titans.

*eye twitch*

It has been bandied about so much in this thread, I'm surprised it took you this long!

Well, not just a knight titan, but specifically the hell-knight, or hell-lancer. Those smooth armored plates on the legs are freaking hard to sculpt!

Scottywan82 wrote:Well, not just a knight titan, but specifically the hell-knight, or hell-lancer. Those smooth armored plates on the legs are freaking hard to sculpt!

come again? who in his right mind would sculpt those instead of bending heated plasticard into shape?
I figure it'll take me approximately a day to get one of these built as a knight titan (decently) from the hips on down. head and possibly arms will, of course, take some more time (but model kits are expensive and plasticard is dirt cheap so hey, I figure my hobby costs per hour actually go down, hehe)

I made two threads in 40k General discussion on the Dreadknight:

The first one desperately looking for alternatives: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/352174.page

Second one a poll on how you find the Dreadknight model (as the Stormraven poll showed unexpected 40-50% people actually liking the model):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/352194.page#2535331

BladeWalker wrote:
"I Must Break You" Draigo

Draigo would be pronounced Dry-go.

Not quite the same.

Reading through the entire thread just became worth it.

The baby holder needs some work, but that's only gonna take about 30 minutes of modeling to fix at most.

ph34r wrote:

Manticore2009 wrote:Wow.
You see Im a fanboy. I get everything from GW. The amount of hoarding that i do is insane. People that know my websites and blogs know that Im an idiot when it comes down to Gw. I used to work for them and bought more that 35k$ CDN in 5 years....

But at these prices...its JUST SAY NO!!!!

Ebay will have them bitz available soon enough and thats it. GW went overboard this time with their pricing. On top of this, Dread Knight doesnt look 40k like and Terminators....



well the Terms looks like their....dancing????

The prices went down! How can everyone be so dense!?!

euh not in Canadian dollar it didnt, and 2nd, since GW started doing the ''lets break the 10 mini box to 5'' it did went up by charging more per model. Or by stopping to sell boxes alltogether and go for blisters.

who you calling dense

Ouch, they look like they will be a pretty good face-lift for the GK good for them, I know quite a few people who are going to be VERY happy with the new models and changes.

juraigamer wrote:

Reading through the entire thread just became worth it.

The baby holder needs some work, but that's only gonna take about 30 minutes of modeling to fix at most.

Hating the Dreadknight is like hating wife-beaters: Morally obligated justification for it.

You know, the greatest thing about the Terminator Box set (Besides the fact it's actually cheaper than a normal set of Terms)?

The arms do not have the Stormbolters preattached. So you can just bits out the arms for all kinds of converting possibilities.

Hmm...

Is it just me or do the bare heads look too large comapred with bodies/helmets?

The Dreadknight could do with a more dynamic running/crouching/firing pose... otherwise TLOS is gonna have it shot to pieces for being so tall.

I love the new plastics... gonna use them for my Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons... how heretical!

warboss wrote:is it just me or does the justicar/skullcap head look a bit too much like the english soldier rapist from braveheart??

Good eye, awesome! I was thinking all the time who it reminded me of and now I know - and knowing is half the battle!

Well, I got to look at the codex today. The black box arrived at my FLGS, hard to comment since I only got about 20min with it but I found my eyes popped on every page. We all knew the stat lines were going to be crazy, but it was all the little things. Basically name something another codex can do, and somewhere in the codex they can do it in one form or another. At least thats how it felt.

bhsman wrote:

Pyriel- wrote:But comparing something that looks like a metal insect with oversized groin to a box on two tree stumps while claiming 20yo aesthetic establishment is ok?

And yet, in spite of those differences, they still have way more in common than with the Dreadknight.

The dreadknight isnt supposed to have anything in common with them since its roles are so different, duh!
This aint heresy online...

I'm a GK player myself but I would consider this army to be broken if ALL GK had power weapons.

S4 (5 part of the time if Ld is passed), WS4 and crappy attack numbers isnt that powerful. not while your minis cost more and can be shot down just as easy as cheaper marines.

I´d rather have the old WS5 S6 A2 knights with permanent shrouding back!

I know a codex that gets all power weapons, furious charge AND invulnerable saves for their basic troops. Are they broken?

Finally some sense.

Adding better initiative at 50-ish points per squad makes for a 10 marine squad at around 270p with only 8 being able to Cc anywhere near good and the squad goes down to fire just like the 170p tac next to them. A land raider is cheaper.
Hardly OP.

assassins are still pretty awesome btw

Dunno, heard the callidus cant charge on the turn she shows up, what´s the point to pop up, throw D6 hits and then get shot to pieces or assaulted?
Vindicare lost the stealth suit so 2-3 cheap missile wounds turn one and he´s a goner. Only good thing about him is if you get first turn and manage to pop a landraider or something, then he´s dead.
I wonder if those will be the final assassin rules since the leaked ones are almost worthless.

WS8 and under 150 points isn't good?

Not if it can only survive an average of 0.5 turns.

The one that gains power from psykers is extremely powerful, gate him in between 2 rhino's, he's now within range of at least 22 psykers

"Brotherhood of psychers" means that a GK squad counts as one psycher... as do squads of primaris psychers I assume.

It's an exo-skeleton. Terminator armor is an exo-skeleton. Power armor is an exo skeleton. It's perfectly in line with how Space Marine exo-skeleton ARMOR is designed. Heck, even it's in game profile tells you it's not a vehicle like a Dread or Land Rider. Kan has a sever case of misplaced rage...

As do people who try to compare it to a 20yo dreadnoughts design and tabletop role *sigh*

- You should never use the unhelmeted head. It's just ridiculously obtuse. You're in Terminator armor and yet whatever you're fighting requires you to be in another, more substantially armored suit of armor. Are you really going to go through all the effort to better equip yourself if you're just going to leave your helmet off? C'mon...

Like warbosses in mega armour you mean?
What about the penitent engine? (oh I dare you, use the force field excuse for that one)

Sleek curves? Tall, spindly limbs? This thing would be perfect as a Tau battlesuit aside from the fcuked-up baby-harness design.

People may complain about the Imperial vehicle aesthetic for being too boxy, but nevertheless it's how they do stuff. This was shoehorned in, and anyone who approved it should be shot into the sun.

Old tech was sleeker. At least according to the BL books.
Strangely enough tall and spindly limbs are super strong when used by eldar, I guess old and/or highly specialized (and I guess officially heretical) mars tech is better then the "flying bricks with rivets" things.

-Secondly, by that logic the next Brettonian army book should have Giants. Not because it would be awesome, but because the poor knights are too small to fight the big evil dragons.

Oh the empire has steamtanks and such to battle stronger foes, its kind of their version of a "hi tech" helping hand.
By your logic they should never have introduced rifles/muskets either since the good old stick and stone works so well already.

And to anyone who says "But bhsman, this is how they deal with Greater Daemons!" I say two things:

-Armageddon

Yes that is logical, lets keep throwing away 100ds of our insanely rare, extremely needed and hard to train brothers, why bother adding something far more efficient and life saving into our arsenals, how stupid of us when we can keep wiping out our companies.

Blarglord wrote:Want...to...turn...Dreadknight...into ...orky...goodness

Want...to...turn...Dreadknight...into...scenic base for a Forgeworld MegaDred...

Pyriel wrote:Yes that is logical, lets keep throwing away 100ds of our insanely rare, extremely needed and hard to train brothers, why bother adding something far more efficient and life saving into our arsenals, how stupid of us when we can keep wiping out our companies.

Because clearly, every Daemonic incursion that the Grey Knights will respond to is led by a Daemon Primarch, whose the right hand of one of the Ruinous Powers themselves.

Please. The only reason "hundreds of our insanely rare, extremely needed, and hard to train brothers" were needed was because of Angron.

Anything else would have just been another boring day at work for the Grey Knights.

ph34r wrote:The prices went down! How can everyone be so dense!?!

I agree, everyone complaining about prices are whining unnecessarily. Draigo is the only one out of the whole lot that can be considered overpriced and even he makes a tough case as he is one of the best sculpts in recent memory.

PAGK Boxed Set - Same price as Death Company but with 20 PAGKs worth of bits as a single box can build any of four different units. They are beautifully sclupted and come with more variety and bits then any infantry boxed set in the 40K line for cheaper then 5 metal PAGKs cost. I understand that people planning on running loads of PAGK units can be frustrated about not having a way to get no-frills infantry on the cheap but claiming that the box is overpriced is just stupid. Also, here is a thought. If you want PAGK strike squads, sell off the generous amount of bits you get in each box to help afford the next one.

GKT Boxed Set - Ornate terminators with not just great sculpts but smarter design like the storm bolters unattached. Plus these guys can build the Paladins as well so you get all of the fancy bits to do that. Throw in a huge amount of weapon and extra bits and charge $50, the same cost as a basic vanilla Terminator Squad? These guys, and the Wolf Guard termie box for that matter make Vanilla Terminators seem overpriced. As a Vanilla player, I don't get so much cool and better designed stuff when I throw down $50 for five terminators. They are also cheaper then their previous metal box. Stop complaining about the GKT box.

Dreadknight - Aside from thoughts on how the thing looks, it is massive and only $10 more then a stunted Dreadnought. Regardless of how it looks when completely assembled, it does have fantastic detail and plenty of bits for its weapon options. Combine that with the supposed ball-socket poseabiliy in the joints and its a pretty impressive kit at $53.


All 40k stuff is overpriced but in the context of 40K models, the new Grey Knights could actually be considered under-priced if you actually stop and consider what you get with each kit. GW has upped its sculpts and is now providing kits that are designed to be modular and to make working on them easy. The Venerable Dreadnought has the neat interchangeable weapons, Dark Eldar Ravagers have pressure fit turrets, and Grey Knights have ball-socket joints on their walker and infantry designed to be easy to convert. With these Grey Knights you get all of this on top of tons of quality bits and a price reduction over past offerings and you guys still want to complain? Really?

I get that GW is the evil empire in wargaming and that they overcharge for a lot of stuff ($12 for a can of poor quality spray paint?) but they do all of the right things with these Grey Knights and you guys can't switch from "hate" to "praise?"

theduncan wrote:Anyhow, now my BA need a grey paint job and nemesis force chainswords with hand-held single barreled stormbolters.

Or you could stay with your codex, you know that one that came out last year that is one of the best in the whole game? Sometimes I feel oddly unique with my Vanilla Codex Shrike list what with all of the absurd codex hopping going on.

I really like the infantry sculpts. My thoughts on the dreadknight are that I want to see one without it's pilot so I could look into a more appropriate armoured fascia to it.

Kanluwen wrote:Because clearly, every Daemonic incursion that the Grey Knights will respond to is led by a Daemon Primarch, whose the right hand of one of the Ruinous Powers themselves.

Please. The only reason "hundreds of our insanely rare, extremely needed, and hard to train brothers" were needed was because of Angron.

Anything else would have just been another boring day at work for the Grey Knights.

Except now it'll probably be rewritten to 300 Grey Knights and a dozen Dreadknights, a pair of which defeated Angron by shoving him while the other kneeled down behind him.

And to think, the 1st War used to be one of my favorite bits of fluff. :(