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RE: Ravenwing bikers.... Would it be overpowered if you allowed them to deploy from the opponent's table edge as reserves? That could reflect both their flanking ability and the DA's improved strategic knowledge. Give them that ability and teleport homers and I don't think anyone would complain about them lacking a Jink rule, although a 6+ invulnerable save wouldn't be awful as a Jink rule.

RE: Deathwing vs. other terminator crews... IIRC, the Deathwing started when a group of DA Terminators returned to their homeworld to find it infested with Genestealers. Knowing that the consequence of reporting the infestation would have been the death by virus bomb of their homeworld and tribe, they took it upon themselves to try to purge the infestation. As their homeworld culture was based on Native Americans, they painted their armor with warpaint, which gave it the characteristic white color. They steeled themselves to what was certainly a suicide mission, not expecting to return. Because they expected to die, they entered the Genestealer warrens unafraid -- and that is the root of the Deathwing's Fearless fluff.

So while I wouldn't necessarily classify them as "better" warriors than other Terminator marines, it would be worthwhile to represent their implacable fearlessness as a special rule. I don't think that needs to be a bonus to their stats. Perhaps a special rule bonus if they are outnumbered?

as much as i dislike the current fearless rules, DW need to keep em :(

milo wrote:RE: Ravenwing bikers.... Would it be overpowered if you allowed them to deploy from the opponent's table edge as reserves? That could reflect both their flanking ability and the DA's improved strategic knowledge. Give them that ability and teleport homers and I don't think anyone would complain about them lacking a Jink rule, although a 6+ invulnerable save wouldn't be awful as a Jink rule.

I think first off Ravenwing need Skilled Rider. A jink save would be nice though; 6++ isn't reliable enough to depend on but it's nice. I think a bunch of bikers coming in behind enemy lines is pretty bad though. Wolf Scouts and Kommandos (with Snikrot) can do this, but they can't move 12" a turn. Maybe you could have one squad do this, but I don't recall DA being particularly well known above other Marine armies for their tactics.

to Clarify this si about news and rumours.

But it look like if we don't see a codex release in June (which would be foolish of GW) What will we see (Fantasy Wave?).

We'll see but the lack of DA characters in the Wave is a promising sign.



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Brother SRM wrote:

milo wrote:RE: Ravenwing bikers.... Would it be overpowered if you allowed them to deploy from the opponent's table edge as reserves? That could reflect both their flanking ability and the DA's improved strategic knowledge. Give them that ability and teleport homers and I don't think anyone would complain about them lacking a Jink rule, although a 6+ invulnerable save wouldn't be awful as a Jink rule.

I think first off Ravenwing need Skilled Rider. A jink save would be nice though; 6++ isn't reliable enough to depend on but it's nice. I think a bunch of bikers coming in behind enemy lines is pretty bad though. Wolf Scouts and Kommandos (with Snikrot) can do this, but they can't move 12" a turn. Maybe you could have one squad do this, but I don't recall DA being particularly well known above other Marine armies for their tactics.

This is stated in the codex as the legacy of the Lion in how we go about fighting. Then again it may just be my chapter is better than yours.

Wolf Scouts and Kommandos (with Snikrot) can do this, but they can't move 12" a turn.

Wolf scouts can take melta bombs for the entire squad, along with a wolfguard terminator with cyclone.

And kommando's actually can, take ghazkull, or just declare a Waagh! You get fleet, ghazgull automatically lets you fleet 6" + 6" than assault, or the waagh gives you at worst a +1 movement.

milo wrote:RE: Ravenwing bikers.... Would it be overpowered if you allowed them to deploy from the opponent's table edge as reserves? That could reflect both their flanking ability and the DA's improved strategic knowledge.

I tend to think GW represent "strategic knowledge" as the ability to re-roll reserve rolls or re-roll which edge they'd come in on.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Wolf Scouts and Kommandos (with Snikrot) can do this, but they can't move 12" a turn.

Wolf scouts can take melta bombs for the entire squad, along with a wolfguard terminator with cyclone.

And kommando's actually can, take ghazkull, or just declare a Waagh! You get fleet, ghazgull automatically lets you fleet 6" + 6" than assault, or the waagh gives you at worst a +1 movement.

Terminator armored wolf guard cannot join wolf scouts. Secondly, kommando's actually can't seeing as how you have to add a, what, 250+ model? So yeah, for all intents and purposes kommandos can't.

Just FYI its a perfectly valid and well known tactic to use Snkirot and some kommandos to bring Gazz in at the behind your enemy. It can be devistateing if done well, but like all things ork needs some finess and allot of luck to work.

Shame the first post in this thread hasnt been updated with further "tidbits" hard to sort through 32 pages

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Wolf Scouts and Kommandos (with Snikrot) can do this, but they can't move 12" a turn.

Wolf scouts can take melta bombs for the entire squad, along with a wolfguard terminator with cyclone.

And kommando's actually can, take ghazkull, or just declare a Waagh! You get fleet, ghazgull automatically lets you fleet 6" + 6" than assault, or the waagh gives you at worst a +1 movement.

No they can't It says in the wolf guard pack leader rules they cant join scouts if they are in terminator armor.

I just heard, from a friend with a source that works@GW, that the DA codex just went to the printers. He also said there needs to be a test print, then proof edit, another print etc. the same source was predicting an August release, going against current only 1 codex this year rumors. Was wondering if anyone else had heard this.

Alex0077 wrote:I just heard, from a friend with a source that works@GW,

I always cringe when someone says this

I mean hey for all I know someone does have an inside source, but trying to find that source out of the million other claims....

I'm not convinced that they'd do two actual print runs, given the costs of setting up a print run. If GW actually proof edit their codexes at all (and given the number of typos and grammatical errors they contain, I'm not sure they do), they'll do it well before the layout stage, let alone the "went to the printers" stage.

Hence the reason why I am asking to confirm what he says... Besides if you had an insider you wouldn't want him found out either...


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Some printers will print a proof before an actual run to confirm with the buyer.

Yeah, true enough, though at that point, the changes you'd make are more along the lines of tweaking colour balance, or spotting layout peculiarities that meant the print copy looked different to your on-screen layout for some reason (like problems with the bleed).

That would take time, possibly a few months before seeing the end product, and getting said product to all the distribution centers.

I don't know if anybody noticed ... but on B&C they're doing this :http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=251340&st=25
I really do not understand a thing but ...

(hope it's not a duplicate but sincerely I cannot read 32 pages now)


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I'm not able to put a direct link but... well... copy and paste....

It's a fan thing. It has nothing to do with GW.

To quote the B&C thread. "Harry and hastings76 don't have the privileged information the DA Inner Circle has." I know some people on that forum have had a link to JJ since the 4th ed codex.

Droma wrote:To quote the B&C thread. "Harry and hastings76 don't have the privileged information the DA Inner Circle has." I know some people on that forum have had a link to JJ since the 4th ed codex.

That just sounds like typical B&C roleplay stuff.

Oh well... in this chaos it's difficult to discern actual rumours
But actually thay told that someone heard of 5th of may release... sound very difficult to be true but I thought it was still worth a mention here... after all we listened to Ghost21 stuff for a long time....

5th of May is the Necrons 2nd Wave.

This may be very, very, very stupid, but I feel the need to say it.

Is it possible that the Dark Angels are the new Space Marine poster boys as opposed to the Ultramarines, and in fact the supposed Dark Angel Codex will just be a generic Space Marine Codex with lots of pictures of green angsty Marines as opposed to blue, perfect awesome totally radical superman completely flawless Marines.

LoneLictor wrote:This may be very, very, very stupid, but I feel the need to say it.

Is it possible that the Dark Angels are the new Space Marine poster boys as opposed to the Ultramarines, and in fact the supposed Dark Angel Codex will just be a generic Space Marine Codex with lots of pictures of green angsty Marines as opposed to blue, perfect awesome totally radical superman completely flawless Marines.

Seeing as even the sisters of battle and dark eldar weren't squatted, this is a pretty stupid thing to say.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:This may be very, very, very stupid, but I feel the need to say it.

Is it possible that the Dark Angels are the new Space Marine poster boys as opposed to the Ultramarines, and in fact the supposed Dark Angel Codex will just be a generic Space Marine Codex with lots of pictures of green angsty Marines as opposed to blue, perfect awesome totally radical superman completely flawless Marines.

Seeing as even the sisters of battle and dark eldar weren't squatted, this is a pretty stupid thing to say.

But this would be different than being squatted. It'd be kind of like how the Harlequins, who once had their own codex, became part of the Eldar Codex.

But yes, it is stupid.

I wouldn't count on it. Blood Angels were the posterboys in 2nd ed (or at least on the starter box) and Codex: Ultramarines was a separate book from Angels of Death.

didn't see this but I admit I did look fast

LoneLictor wrote:But this would be different than being squatted. It'd be kind of like how the Harlequins, who once had their own codex, became part of the Eldar Codex.

Last I checked, the Harlequin list was in the Citadel Journal, and therefore doesn't count as an example of a code not being squatted.

I just want to see all the new models! Fwwwwwwwaaaaa!

Dysartes wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:But this would be different than being squatted. It'd be kind of like how the Harlequins, who once had their own codex, became part of the Eldar Codex.

Last I checked, the Harlequin list was in the Citadel Journal, and therefore doesn't count as an example of a code not being squatted.

They had their own rules in the Compedium, although that is Rogue trader level, so hard to judge if it was or wasn't a codex, more of a list. Kinda like how Warhammer armies in 3rd edition warhammer had the Nippon and Cathay rules, but we've not seen hide nor hair of them since.

At least Eldar players still have harlies.