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I got the "C for Corporation" variation and I got:

Elf bowman sprue
Marauder command sprue
10 Basilean panther riders
10 Corporation rangers
2 Dreadball Zzor
2 Rebs humans and Yndij
Loka ice thing
Clippers
Silver warpaint

Given I'm working on Basilean and Corp armies, I'm very, very happy.

The label on the front says:
"your random contents will include:
- 2 Big bags of Resin plastic models [KoW cavalry, Warpath full unit]
- 2 Small bags of resin plastic models [2-3 Deadzone or Dreadball models]
- 2 sprues of hard plastic models [I didn't see anyone get Men at arms]
- 1 Pot of paint
- 1 Hobby clippers"

 Daedleh wrote:
I got the "C for Corporation" variation and I got:

Elf bowman sprue
Marauder command sprue
10 Basilean panther riders
10 Corporation rangers
2 Dreadball Zzor
2 Rebs humans and Yndij
Loka ice thing
Clippers
Silver warpaint

Given I'm working on Basilean and Corp armies, I'm very, very happy.

The label on the front says:
"your random contents will include:
- 2 Big bags of Resin plastic models [KoW cavalry, Warpath full unit]
- 2 Small bags of resin plastic models [2-3 Deadzone or Dreadball models]
- 2 sprues of hard plastic models [I didn't see anyone get Men at arms]
- 1 Pot of paint
- 1 Hobby clippers"

Sold. Thanks for that Deadleh, that's definitely worth £15.

Also I can 100% confirm that Mantic are back on track with hard plastics. I held and examined the hard plastic DZ Zombies sprue and it was perfect. While we're aware that there's a relative lack of extras, the detail was incredibly sharp and was up there with the best GW sprues, surpassing Renedra quality.

This is very interesting, I'll wait till I get them in hand but if there as good as you say it will put me back on track with Mantic. I'd kinda of got of track with them due to there insistence on using restic and not focusing on QC.

Daedleh wrote:Also I can 100% confirm that Mantic are back on track with hard plastics. I held and examined the hard plastic DZ Zombies sprue and it was perfect. While we're aware that there's a relative lack of extras, the detail was incredibly sharp and was up there with the best GW sprues, surpassing Renedra quality.

Very promising.

Pretty much the only thing that has kept me from making huge armies of Mantic stuff was the PVC figures. I'm still going to take a wait and see approach, but I'm definitely looking forward to blogs and posts of their newer stuff once it's released in the wild

Collection of pictures of the new DKH sculpts, taken by a pathfinder at the Open Day:

Awesome thanks Squig, those are some pretty characterful looking sculpts liking the M@A zombie and wraith looking thing especially.

Has there been much news about the DKH game itself, contents of the box, type of game, character growth/advancmeant mechanics etc? If its anything like deadzone I'll be on it.

Yep, posted some stuff on the previous page, that's everything I can figure out so far.

And, seperate to DKH will be the upcoming KoW-based fantasy skirmish game.

Plastic castle/fortress interior terrain and similar format to Deadzone with around 5-6 minis per side.

Two KoW based games, that's crazy.

I wonder if this means their gonna take the same approach they did with deadzone, releasing tons of new races, special units and really expand the boundaries of the world as a whole. It'll
be a smart move on their side they could both take KoW further away from not-warhammer and potentially create lots of small new races/units as testers for full armies in the mass-battles
game, some of those units could even act as mercenary troops for KoW if Mantic plays it smart.

 scarletsquig wrote:
...around 5-6 minis per side.

"Building big armies"

Hmm, I'm interested but I think they really need to produce more stuff and update more stuff on what they already have before starting another new game tbh..

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yep, posted some stuff on the previous page, that's everything I can figure out so far.

And, seperate to DKH will be the upcoming KoW-based fantasy skirmish game.

Plastic castle/fortress interior terrain and similar format to Deadzone with around 5-6 minis per side.

This has got me very excited!

Didn't fully commit to Deadzone as I already have my sci-fi skirmish game in the form of Infinity.

But, would be all for something that runs along the lines of Mordheim, with a great campaign/experience structure built into it. Hopefully they will do something along those lines!

Probably some overlap here but these are snippets from 2 of the 3 open say seminars about DKH:

*kickstarter targeted for end of July

*similar to MA in that there will be a basic pick up and play rule set that is simple to learn, then a second KS and later Mantic/hobby store expanded rulebook with stats for all KOW races so you can use sell of them in the game, plus rules for character creation, experience, campaign etc plan is to hopefully do quite a lavish special KS version and then more basic version.

*campaign in the box scales through the various rules so you'll start with two heroes fighting to free two more, then the other two escaping so it introduces mechanics but by bit.

* main bad guy is a necromancer but also undead dwarf king with undead dwarf warriors , various other beasties

*high quality card dungeon tiles! stretch goal will be double sided print, in one seminar people really wanted strong themes such as Egyptian temple style! classic style etc and Ronnie seemed to really like that . They looked at hard plastic but too expensive and wouldn't wear well.

*kickstarter will feature special resin (no idea what type) characters, reference to character cards having a reverse died which us epic version, KS will have these epic versions as miniatures

*lot of mention of this being a gateway game bringing people into the hobby similar to heroquest and space hulk , Mars attacks already mantics best selling boxed game as two European distributors have bought a ton to localise, Ronnie expressed they'd love to get this (DKH) in mainstream stores.

*In one seminar all those new sculpts were referenced as being for this, I didn't hear anything about this skirmish game but it was getting pretty hot at times.

*all in scale with KOW and usable,

* Ronnie really wants a digital app eventually for this which would let you lay out dungeons, generate scenarios using minis you have, track stats etc

I'll post anything else I remember.

^ Awesome, thanks for all that extra info, and welcome to Dakka!

Mars Attacks already being Mantic's bestseller (beating at least 20k copies of Dreadball already sold) is amazing, I had a hunch it would do well with the general release, but that really is great.

The DKH and fantasy skirmish news is all coming a lot sooner than I expected. I think I might be more into DKH than another deadzone-mechanics game though.

The new dkh sculpts look fantastic.

im assuming these are the lesser abyssal concepts

Apparently being a 'lesser' Abyssal means you get to have legs the right length!

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Awesome, thanks for all that extra info, and welcome to Dakka!

Mars Attacks already being Mantic's bestseller (beating at least 20k copies of Dreadball already sold) is amazing, I had a hunch it would do well with the general release, but that really is great.

The DKH and fantasy skirmish news is all coming a lot sooner than I expected. I think I might be more into DKH than another deadzone-mechanics game though.

I'm glad Mars Attacks is off to a good start. I was sorely tempted during the KS, but managed to avoid pledging. (loved the Martians, but the humans left me kind of cold) It looked really fun though.

Any does anyone else feel like Mantic is getting way overextended?

Kings of War
Warpath
Dreadball
Deadzone
Dwarf King's Hold
Mars Attacks
New KoW skirmish

Seems like a lot to have on your plate for such a tiny company.

I would say yes if they are entirely separate games/miniature lines and rulesets, but there is a lot of crossover.

Deadzone & Mars Attacks look like they will share similar rules systems, some terrain and miniature crossover.
Obviously Warpath/Deadzone have a lot of the same miniatures.
Kings of War, DKH, new skirmish have the same miniatures.
Even Dreadball has some similar rule components to Deadzone (the dice modifiers etc.) and I'd be willing to bet the new KoW Skirmish game will be the same if it's designed by Jake Thornton.

I think the reason that DKH even got made in the first place was because Jake Thornton pitched the idea of the game to Ronnie Renton, and they went with it because they already had the miniatures made and it would take very little expenditure of resources.

Essentially Mantic is now starting to resemble the GW of the early and mid-90's, of a game designers playground and I think you're going to see a lot more of this kind of thing. Of course, Mantic also have the bonus that GW didn't benefit from back then, of the internet and crowd-funding to help back your products and drum up interest.

 edlowe wrote:
The new dkh sculpts look fantastic.

im assuming these are the lesser abyssal concepts

Is this a photo of a PC displaying a scan of a sketch? Wtf, ain't technology grand!

TwilightSparkles wrote:
Probably some overlap here but these are snippets from 2 of the 3 open say seminars about DKH:

*kickstarter targeted for end of July

*similar to MA in that there will be a basic pick up and play rule set that is simple to learn, then a second KS and later Mantic/hobby store expanded rulebook with stats for all KOW races so you can use sell of them in the game, plus rules for character creation, experience, campaign etc plan is to hopefully do quite a lavish special KS version and then more basic version.

*campaign in the box scales through the various rules so you'll start with two heroes fighting to free two more, then the other two escaping so it introduces mechanics but by bit.

* main bad guy is a necromancer but also undead dwarf king with undead dwarf warriors , various other beasties

*high quality card dungeon tiles! stretch goal will be double sided print, in one seminar people really wanted strong themes such as Egyptian temple style! classic style etc and Ronnie seemed to really like that . They looked at hard plastic but too expensive and wouldn't wear well.

*kickstarter will feature special resin (no idea what type) characters, reference to character cards having a reverse died which us epic version, KS will have these epic versions as miniatures

*lot of mention of this being a gateway game bringing people into the hobby similar to heroquest and space hulk , Mars attacks already mantics best selling boxed game as two European distributors have bought a ton to localise, Ronnie expressed they'd love to get this (DKH) in mainstream stores.

*In one seminar all those new sculpts were referenced as being for this, I didn't hear anything about this skirmish game but it was getting pretty hot at times.

*all in scale with KOW and usable,

* Ronnie really wants a digital app eventually for this which would let you lay out dungeons, generate scenarios using minis you have, track stats etc

I'll post anything else I remember.

Emphasis mine. Bolded part does not compute at all. The rest of this stuff sounds excellent.

The sculpts shown all look pretty great too.

~Eric

Those lower abyssal's look nice, going by their rough body shape they could potentially be converted into lizardmen with a bit of effort.

Cover art for DKH4:

Those look nice but again, I will wait for the actual products. I said the same thingwith the Basileans and if I pledged right then and there, I would have been fethed left right and center. But if it turns out well I'm definitely buying a box.

Mantic is turning big. I saw a box of Dreadball in one of the stores here... and remember I live in a 3rd world country.

 Alpharius wrote:
Apparently being a 'lesser' Abyssal means you get to have legs the right length!

And a bad back. And Fibromyalgia, apparently.


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Schmapdi wrote:

Any does anyone else feel like Mantic is getting way overextended?

Like your knee under a falling linebacker.

I hope they focus more on quality over quantity for a while. This has all got to be a terrible strain on their employee.

How many people even work at Mantic these days? Ronnie. Stewart. Little Joey. Uh... Ray-Ray? Old Sammy? That ascot-wearing hound who solved all those murders?

Schmapdi wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Awesome, thanks for all that extra info, and welcome to Dakka!

Mars Attacks already being Mantic's bestseller (beating at least 20k copies of Dreadball already sold) is amazing, I had a hunch it would do well with the general release, but that really is great.

The DKH and fantasy skirmish news is all coming a lot sooner than I expected. I think I might be more into DKH than another deadzone-mechanics game though.

I'm glad Mars Attacks is off to a good start. I was sorely tempted during the KS, but managed to avoid pledging. (loved the Martians, but the humans left me kind of cold) It looked really fun though.

Any does anyone else feel like Mantic is getting way overextended?

Kings of War
Warpath
Dreadball
Deadzone
Dwarf King's Hold
Mars Attacks
New KoW skirmish

Seems like a lot to have on your plate for such a tiny company.

Yes especially considering they have yet to properly flesh out. Warpath after years of it being released.

 carlos13th wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Awesome, thanks for all that extra info, and welcome to Dakka!

Mars Attacks already being Mantic's bestseller (beating at least 20k copies of Dreadball already sold) is amazing, I had a hunch it would do well with the general release, but that really is great.

The DKH and fantasy skirmish news is all coming a lot sooner than I expected. I think I might be more into DKH than another deadzone-mechanics game though.

I'm glad Mars Attacks is off to a good start. I was sorely tempted during the KS, but managed to avoid pledging. (loved the Martians, but the humans left me kind of cold) It looked really fun though.

Any does anyone else feel like Mantic is getting way overextended?

Kings of War
Warpath
Dreadball
Deadzone
Dwarf King's Hold
Mars Attacks
New KoW skirmish

Seems like a lot to have on your plate for such a tiny company.

Yes especially considering they have yet to properly flesh out. Warpath after years of it being released.

*nod*
I feel the same way about Kings of War. There are a lot of armies, but they're all a hearty mix of dud sculpts, metal, metal-plastic hybrids, clone dwarfs, etc. Nothing I'd feel good about collecting. Too hodge podge, too uneven.

Mantic does a lot better at the self-contained stuff. Mars Attacks looks great, Deadzone seems pretty good (issues aside), a lot of people seem to like Dreadball. They should focus on those until they have the resources to go in and clean up KoW and do Warpath right.

Schmapdi wrote:
Mantic does a lot better at the self-contained stuff. Mars Attacks looks great, Deadzone seems pretty good (issues aside), a lot of people seem to like Dreadball. They should focus on those until they have the resources to go in and clean up KoW and do Warpath right.

Well, considering they've just finished Dreadball, are about to finish Deadzone and Mars Attacks!, are about to launch the PM for Dreadball Xtreme, and the next two projects on the horizon are DKH4 and 'Fantasy Deadzone' - all of which are self-contained, but at the same time (excepting Mars Attacks!) flesh out the fluff of the two main Mantic universes - before moving on to Warpath and KoW2 next year, I think this is something they're already doing

 Taarnak wrote:

TwilightSparkles wrote:
Probably some overlap here but these are snippets from 2 of the 3 open say seminars about DKH:

*kickstarter targeted for end of July

*similar to MA in that there will be a basic pick up and play rule set that is simple to learn, then a second KS and later Mantic/hobby store expanded rulebook with stats for all KOW races so you can use sell of them in the game, plus rules for character creation, experience, campaign etc plan is to hopefully do quite a lavish special KS version and then more basic version.

*campaign in the box scales through the various rules so you'll start with two heroes fighting to free two more, then the other two escaping so it introduces mechanics but by bit.

* main bad guy is a necromancer but also undead dwarf king with undead dwarf warriors , various other beasties

*high quality card dungeon tiles! stretch goal will be double sided print, in one seminar people really wanted strong themes such as Egyptian temple style! classic style etc and Ronnie seemed to really like that . They looked at hard plastic but too expensive and wouldn't wear well.

*kickstarter will feature special resin (no idea what type) characters, reference to character cards having a reverse died which us epic version, KS will have these epic versions as miniatures

*lot of mention of this being a gateway game bringing people into the hobby similar to heroquest and space hulk , Mars attacks already mantics best selling boxed game as two European distributors have bought a ton to localise, Ronnie expressed they'd love to get this (DKH) in mainstream stores.

*In one seminar all those new sculpts were referenced as being for this, I didn't hear anything about this skirmish game but it was getting pretty hot at times.

*all in scale with KOW and usable,

* Ronnie really wants a digital app eventually for this which would let you lay out dungeons, generate scenarios using minis you have, track stats etc

I'll post anything else I remember.

Emphasis mine. Bolded part does not compute at all. The rest of this stuff sounds excellent.

The sculpts shown all look pretty great too.

~Eric

Sorry , what Ronnie said about the plastic not wearing well was that the sections warped over time and would not lay flat, and the connectors needed to lay it together would make it look awkward, plus they would need to be painted to look good which would make the game less desirable as an entry game.

Couple more ransoms bits I remembered:

* AI is definitely in for the evil side so co-op will be possible

* talk about using gold as source of upgrades in the advanced version but it is more likely that characters in a campaign in this version will advance based on what they do and what they loot.

On a more random note the Mantic shop had two types of crazy box, the not mentioned where they were b for basilea etc. (I got no basileans in one of those) and a generic larger but flatter 2014 box which had different contents without the clippers and paint. The lettered boxes seemed better value.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
...around 5-6 minis per side.

"Building big armies"

I'm rather looking forward to the day a skirmish game ruleset exists in a one to one figure ratio and actually accomodates 500-600 minis per side that can be played in an hour

 judgedoug wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
...around 5-6 minis per side.

"Building big armies"

I'm rather looking forward to the day a skirmish game ruleset exists in a one to one figure ratio and actually accomodates 500-600 minis per side that can be played in an hour

Lord of the Rings works well for that. It can be played in an hour, it just can't be finished in an hour. :p