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 Alex C wrote:
Just got my link (late backer), only 1 email and says "Kings of War" rather than Dungeon Saga. I guess they fixed it now?

What, no reply after I typed all that for you?

 Azazelx wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Just got my link (late backer), only 1 email and says "Kings of War" rather than Dungeon Saga. I guess they fixed it now?

What, no reply after I typed all that for you?

Didn't know you were expecting one.

Ok, here goes:

Fair enough

What really puts me off when I look at this again is that they want $15 shipping for the $50 pledge, but if I just want to add the campaign book (+$10) they want $40 shipping. Which is all I really want - the printed rules and the PDFs.

Not interested in paying Mantic (due to their very uneven track record) upfront for concept art miniatures that could turn out to be of any quality in any material, and I've already given them buckets of money for the worthwhile figures from their existing armies in the past.

and yeah, I know the $40 covers whole armies being sent in multiple waves (which are all free shipping for the US and UK ) but it's a little odd that they didn't think about it in terms of the "just rules" pledges.


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 Alex C wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Just got my link (late backer), only 1 email and says "Kings of War" rather than Dungeon Saga. I guess they fixed it now?

What, no reply after I typed all that for you?

Didn't know you were expecting one.

Ok, here goes:

Fair enough

Well, you ask a question, you get an answer. Then you discuss it. That's how we make those conversation things.

Sorry Az, you answered my question! Thanks for the response, it was a good read.

Anyway I just completed my PM with the missus.

1243 models coming my way this summer...

When exactly do you plan on painting all those Alex?

I want to know how long it takes to paint that many guys before a man loses his sanity.


...or maybe sanity was already lost prior to the purchase?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
When exactly do you plan on painting all those Alex?

I want to know how long it takes to paint that many guys before a man loses his sanity.


...or maybe sanity was already lost prior to the purchase?

Considering my current backlog I'll probably get to them somewhere around the vacinity of 2058, by which point I'll have lost my mind anyway...

I got my invite, and ended up adding $16 to get Ronaldo and an Ogre shaman. I looked at several of the army offers, but kept remembering how many fantasy armies I already have.

I'm not even looking at the pledge manager until Wave 2.

Was Ronnie included in the pledges with an army?

I thought I read that somewhere.

I too am not adding anything else until we see what some of those new figures look like.

Took a gamble with the new forces of nature and the abyss starters. That's probably more than enough for me to get through, considering I don't have a single proper army to field in any game I've planned on playing....

Got my invite, but stuck to my $50 pledge... Already have plenty of models, that once battled on the fields of the Warhammer world, to use...

Valete,

JohnS

Waiting out wave 2, as Nature and Abyssal are my choices.

My email also had the subject of Dungeon Saga (which I had passed on) although linked to the Kings of War KS.

Have there been any 3D images or similar released for the Nature or Abyssal armies yet, does anyone know?

I asked on the mantic Facebook page but got no reply on the abyssal/nature models.

Is it possible that rather than being too quick with Wave 1, they are in fact too slow?

If KOW I was any indication, they want to ship out what they have early on, and then ship out all the new stuff later. Most of the army packages are ready to go, and they can get the books pretty quickly. Part of me had kind of assumed they'd be shipping the in stock mega armies even earlier.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Was Ronnie included in the pledges with an army?

I thought I read that somewhere.

Yes, update #29, they said:

We will include this figure in all pledges of Living Legend ($50) for free. We’ll also make it available to add-on for $8.

And the Centaur, was that unlocked for free in Nature armies?

What about the big Abyssal guy? Free in Abyssal armies or purely add on?

 Alex C wrote:
And the Centaur, was that unlocked for free in Nature armies?

What about the big Abyssal guy? Free in Abyssal armies or purely add on?

I think he is just an add on. He is not on my invoice for an abyssal mega army + stretch goals.

 Polonius wrote:
Is it possible that rather than being too quick with Wave 1, they are in fact too slow?

If KOW I was any indication, they want to ship out what they have early on, and then ship out all the new stuff later. Most of the army packages are ready to go, and they can get the books pretty quickly. Part of me had kind of assumed they'd be shipping the in stock mega armies even earlier.

It's all due to the backed-up nature of the way that Mantic run their KS campaigns. They had to get working, run (and close) the PM for DKQ before the KoW one, and now they obviously want to run and close this PM at a sprint so they can start the DZ2 campaign. Unfortunately they haven't worked out their time management very well. They seem to have improved on running a KS while a PM is open at the same time only to the point of asking for money for three different campaigns on a back to back basis.

I think they underestimated how much work Dungeon Saga was going to be, and overestimated a lot of things involved in getting the KoW 2nd rules finalised and the book ready for the printers.

 NTRabbit wrote:
I think they underestimated how much work Dungeon Saga was going to be, and overestimated a lot of things involved in getting the KoW 2nd rules finalised and the book ready for the printers.

Dungeon Saga and KoW are, for the most part, being developed by two separate groups.

 Baragash wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
I think they underestimated how much work Dungeon Saga was going to be, and overestimated a lot of things involved in getting the KoW 2nd rules finalised and the book ready for the printers.

Dungeon Saga and KoW are, for the most part, being developed by two separate groups.

DKQ = Jake Thornton and his playtest crew
KoW = Alessio Cavatore and his playtest crew

They do have seperate playtest groups (I think), but what about editing? Youd still have a bottleneck there.

 Tyr13 wrote:
They do have seperate playtest groups (I think), but what about editing? Youd still have a bottleneck there.

Mostly separate playtest groups Alessio is doing the KoW document, I don't know whether Jake is doing most of the DS one (he isn't writing all the scenarios himself), though it seems likely (he did the DZ and DB ones I've seen before).

There will be some final work done by the Mantic studio, but the bulk of it should be done before it reaches them (leaving them free to work on Warpath in the mean time).

I haven't had my pledge manager notice yet, but I imagine that this delivery will be very basic. - A bit like how for DBX, they sent out the boxed game first, then about 6 weeks later, they sent out the other parts of wave I.

Whether they say that when the pledge manager is generally available or not, I dunno.

 Baragash wrote:
There will be some final work done by the Mantic studio, but the bulk of it should be done before it reaches them (leaving them free to work on Warpath in the mean time).

Which is the problem, way too much of it is not happening within Mantic proper because DS is eating all the resources.

Also reading the Mantic forum suggests Alessio and the Rules Committee have been having a very long and excruciating battle over the rules development because each has a fundamentally different idea of what they want KoW to become, which is why we still don't have a beta yet for a rule set that was meant to be done and dusted by new years.

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Baragash wrote:
There will be some final work done by the Mantic studio, but the bulk of it should be done before it reaches them (leaving them free to work on Warpath in the mean time).

Which is the problem, way too much of it is not happening within Mantic proper because DS is eating all the resources.

I'm not sure how the complete opposite of what I said can be the problem?

 NTRabbit wrote:
Also reading the Mantic forum suggests Alessio and the Rules Committee have been having a very long and excruciating battle over the rules development because each has a fundamentally different idea of what they want KoW to become, which is why we still don't have a beta yet for a rule set that was meant to be done and dusted by new years.

That's not the reason we don't have a beta at all. There's a clear hierarchy - rules committee made a list of suggestions, Alessio says "yes", "no", "I have a better idea to handle the problem".

So... what is the reason we don't have a beta?

 Baragash wrote:
That's not the reason we don't have a beta at all. There's a clear hierarchy - rules committee made a list of suggestions, Alessio says "yes", "no", "I have a better idea to handle the problem".

What I've read over there strongly suggests otherwise.

Alessio only working one day per week really didn't help expedite things, especially when each internal beta needed multiple revisions and discussions. Waiting a week for the feedback to be read, let alone acted on or responded to really slowed things down.

Also personality clashes, mostly between me and Alessio

Daedle wrote:
Alessio only working one day per week

This answers my question