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Is that roughly the same size as a Bones Minotaur Lord or Balor Demon? Because I suspect it will be about 4x the price.

But other than obvious reasons not to buy it, I like it. The face is definitely going to be an issue for a lot of people with its Godzilla 1998 jaw and underbite. It's possible that Abyssals don't need to eat, though, so whatever. I like the pose, the horns, and the slightly cartoony body shape and texture.

The wings are getting another pass from the sculptor, right?

I'm not terribly interested in the abyssals, but overall I like the direction they've taken. Big dude seems pretty on target for the style of the smaller stuff. May have to get some eventually (well, I mean I'll have whatever comes in DS anyway).

At least people won't be able to complain about it having small legs.

Because it doesn't!

Now if it also didn't have it's head/neck coming out of its chest too...

 Dawnbringer wrote:
At least people won't be able to complain about it having small legs.

That might be why I like it so much.

Yea, I was going to say, I kind of like the legs!

But that Bones Minotaur lord, that wins pretty much everything ever.

I want to like that big guy, but the head just ruins it for me. But it looks like they listened when people said they didn't like the Teeny Leg Syndrome.

That is unbelievably bad. What a mess of sloppy texture, hacky musculature on a half assed frame.
Can not believe the sort of nonsense they are allowed to release as one of the biggest gaming companies in the world.

I don't like the model but I can see how it fits in with their abbysal line

I kinda like it but the arms look like a mess. I'll have to see a painted production model to judge it.

Considering how many similarly sized Bones figures I've got, I'm probably not going to rush out and get this guy.

He does match up with the overall look of the Abyssals though. I kind of like it.

May still end up getting one if I find it cheap enough, which often seems to be the case with me and Mantic products.

Reduce the lowere jaw length, maybe place the head a tad higher and a different wing position and I'll really like it. So glad they didn't go the small leg route with it!

Maybe he was sculpted at the same magnification as the other abyssals. Looking at the armored dudes in the bottom right, it looks like the Greater Abyssal is all blown up and baloony, the way Kaladrax looks since he was tooled at the wrong scale but more so. For example, his bikini briefs are large enough to be an entire mini on their own, but it looks like the sculptor just used an oversized acorn and called it done.

Still, I like the bold new direction Mantic is going, with legs that could support his weight and a head with a cranium. Pretty soon, they'll be back up to their pre kickstarter level of quality!

On it's own I would give it a 'meh' but I like it as part of the Abyssal line. They have a certain retro-cartoon charm to them that appeals to me, but I can see why a decent number of people don't like it.

Now we know why none of the other models can get on the legs machine at the gym.

Meh, it's alright, I could live with it if I had an Abyssal army.

I like it, but I like the style of demon they went with for the Abyssals.

I also have the Reaper bones Minotaur demon, and while he has a totally rad aesthetic, his halberd and his horns are in serious need of viagra

I kinda like the big guy. It's not the greatest of all, but he perfectly fits the looks of Mantic's army.

Maybe a headwap is needed. He's aight, but just aight. My problem with him is he's just aight for something so big (and something that big will be the centerpiece of your army, if you want it or not).

Also, take note of those smaller minis! They look totally rad, actually. WHAT ARE THEY

I'll agree with the consensus view that it's not a bad extension of their Abyssals line, but not really a competitive player in the greater demon marketplace.

So Mantic did yet another "we changed our minds on what we're going to give you" and now we get an art print instead of a world map.

Does anyone know if we will get the map at a later date? I'd much rather have that than a big version of the rulebook cover.

And while on the subject, I much preferred the rulebook cover they actually advertised in the KS...

 heartserenade wrote:
Maybe a headwap is needed. He's aight, but just aight. My problem with him is he's just aight for something so big (and something that big will be the centerpiece of your army, if you want it or not).

Also, take note of those smaller minis! They look totally rad, actually. WHAT ARE THEY

The one on the left is something made from the Lower Abyssal sprue, I think maybe an Abyssal Harbinger, the ones on the right are two different builds of an Abyssal Champion

Thanks! I'm aware of the lower abyssal one but not the champion. Champion looks ace.

 heartserenade wrote:
Thanks! I'm aware of the lower abyssal one but not the champion. Champion looks ace.

Yeah, I'd be all over a box of just those.

 Alex C wrote:
So Mantic did yet another "we changed our minds on what we're going to give you" and now we get an art print instead of a world map.

Does anyone know if we will get the map at a later date? I'd much rather have that than a big version of the rulebook cover.

And while on the subject, I much preferred the rulebook cover they actually advertised in the KS...

Problem 1: Kickstarter 1 got a lithoprint of the original map.

problem 2: The global campaign will be changing the map

Problem 3: Who knows if the new world map with global campaign changes will be available.

Point is that it's yet another case of Mantic promising one thing and then changing their mind after they have our money.

I love the Mantic games and the staff seem great, but this gak just keeps on happening.

I'm with the "I wanted the map" crowd. I backed KoW for the fluff and map to use in Dungeon Saga campaigns more than anything else :(

 endtransmission wrote:
I'm with the "I wanted the map" crowd. I backed KoW for the fluff and map to use in Dungeon Saga campaigns more than anything else :(

Just so we're clear, and I'm not defending what happened at all, the map is on a 2-page spread in the rulebook, so although you won't get it in the format you wanted/were promised, you will still have a copy of the map.

 Baragash wrote:

 endtransmission wrote:
I'm with the "I wanted the map" crowd. I backed KoW for the fluff and map to use in Dungeon Saga campaigns more than anything else :(

Just so we're clear, and I'm not defending what happened at all, the map is on a 2-page spread in the rulebook, so although you won't get it in the format you wanted/were promised, you will still have a copy of the map.

Which makes their reasoning for not making the poster map even more nonsensical, if the "outdated" map is still going to be in the rulebook.

Via FB

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SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT...
A few photographs from one of our forthcoming Rules Showcase articles. Many, many thanks to the folks at Mantic Games (www.manticgames.com) for letting us visit during a busy period of Kickstarter pledge fulfillment!

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so would be reasonable to see/expect an article about Mantic/their rules in a forthcoming issue.

A few players from our local group have been trying out the new rules, and so far the reviews are extremely positive!

I think the head of that new daemon needs work, but other than that it looks fine - really important to get the head right, though.