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2 weeks to what? When we find out what it is?

 Alex C wrote:
2 weeks to what? When we find out what it is?

Yes, and it was "a couple of weeks" rather than specifically 2, misremembered

Post apocalyptic game?!? Oh no. *looks at wallet*

I'm supposed to be holding out for the next Red Box offering, damnit!

I just had a look at some close-up shots of Dungeon Saga figures, and they weren't looking too good, except for the ones in off-white color. The blue and red figures looked particularly boardgame plastiky.

I don't own the game, so I can't pull out the miniatures and see for myself. I'm curious if anyone here has both Dreadball Xtreme and Dungeon Saga, how do the figures compare? From photos, the Xtreme figures seem better, but pictures do lie.

(I do own Xtreme, and am happy with the quality. The Dungeon Saga figures in the photos are looking more like Mars Attacks quality to me currently.)

So going on the comments about the new releases being a '$1mil+. (or £1mil+?) franchise, possibly up to $3mil/£3mil' perhaps we could list what franchise could possibly be worth that?

Were the comments above about it being post-apoc accurate (that does limit it somewhat!)

Some of my own betting odds, were I a betting man
If Post-Apoc:
Fallout (4/1) - will this franchise still be worth so much in 3 months?
Mad Max (8/1)
The Walking Dead (10/1) - not sure how this would work but would no-doubt be popular
The Road (80/1) - The most depressing book I have ever read, god knows how it could be turned into a game
Terminator (100/1) - Isn't it owned by Warlord Games? Franchise pretty much sunk now?
Planet of the Apes (500/1) - Original/Charlton Heston version versus the new ones or nonsensical Tim Burton film?

Or if we're going outside of Post-apoc
Star Wars (10/1) - Would definitely bring in the biggest bucks but is it even possible?
Game of Thrones (15/1) - Great idea but how would this not compete with KoW though?
Avatar/Prometheus (150/1)
Robotech (1000/1) - I'm running out of ideas now!
Starman (1500)

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
$250,000 Stretch Goal: If we reach this stretch goal we will hire a team of proofreaders. Honest.

Lol. On this note, has their been any news on the Adventurer's Companion for Dungeon Saga? (It was mentioned that the wrong file had been printed and it was going to be re-published?)

Pacific: Yeah they've made a corrected PDF download available and will ship you a new copy once it is reprinted for the cost of postage.

I'm not sure if I'm bothered - the lack of page references doesn't bother me that much. I'm mainly disappointed that it's so sparse and bare bones. I think a lot of the material on the cards could have done with being reprinted in the book for completeness sake (also so that you still have access to it if your cards get lost or damaged)

Vermonter: Small plug, but I'm painting up my DS figures in the blog linked in my sig. Scroll down past the first post for pictures of the heroes and villains (blue and grey plastic).

The quality is mostly pretty good although a couple of figures have soft, shallow detail. This doesn't seem to be linked to the plastic colour though. All my heroes were pretty good, and the skeletons were also fine, but the zombies (also in white plastic) had soft detail. Some of my villains were perfect, but then Mortibris had slightly soft detail on his clothes, though the face came out alright. Valandor and Ba'el (both grey plastic) are the worst of the lot.
Overall I'm quite happy with the minis. I haven't painted any Abyssals yet but I will be getting to them soon.

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Star Wars (10/1) - Would definitely bring in the biggest bucks but is it even possible?
Game of Thrones (15/1) - Great idea but how would this not compete with KoW though?
Robotech (1000/1) - I'm running out of ideas now!

A "The Walking Dead" game would be the tipping point for getting the missus involved in miniatures. (Please no obvious jokes here please). I think that would be a bigger franchise than Fallout...? All speculation though, it will be very interesting to see where the next KS takes us.

I know there isn't a miniatures game for it yet so much, but there are several other licensed products for walking dead already, a card game for sure, and I thought I saw something else. But it *is* popular.

Isn't the zombie board/miniature game market pretty much filled already?
It feels like there's a zombie game released every month at least.

 Compel wrote:

Robotech has already been released as a (poorly received) kickstarter. Apparently there's talk of the people who did it redoing it?

The people who did it haven't shipped wave 2 yet, are years late, have stopped giving out new information, and there is a very strong suggestion they've run out of money only halfway through the project. The company is the notorious Palladium Books.

Aside from which Robotech isn't massive or popular enough anyway, nor are Planet of the Apes, The Road (?), or honestly even Fallout. I've seen the property described as an absolute goliath and not small or obscure, post-apocalyptic, and a part of pop culture in 2015.

The Hunger Games sits with Mad Max and The Walking Dead more than any of the others there, but I'm positive the Walking Dead license is elsewhere.

So, I'm betting on a Mad Max or Hunger Games battle arena game, mostly because I don't want it to be zombies.

There's also the movie/books "Divergent", which is about as popular a do believe the next movie is due next year. (So Kickstarter could coincide). It has different factions, so that's better than hero versus army (hunger games) or the well played survivors against zombie horde.

Zombies would be kind of silly... I mean I know that black plague just did pretty well and all... but surely it's something else.

Isn't hunger games more dystopian than post apocalypse? I mean eventually both things are gonna get to the same place but you'd think if they wanted to tease hunger games they'd have said the other thing.

Maybe. I could do a skirmish, though playing a boardgame where children murder eachother to entertain the ruling caste and terrify the peasants seems kind of... awful

I forgot about that thing Theo just mentioned, that sounds a tad more plausible in terms of mechanics.

One other franchise that hasn't been mentioned yet;

Twilight.

Do things like Hunger Games and Divergent really have a fanbase that is likely to overlap with wargaming? I don't see it, to me they are like Twilight, aimed at (mainly female) teens, are they really popular with wargamers? I can't see it, neither is particular interesting subject matter for models either.

Its not Twilight. :-p

I love Mad Max and hate The Walking Dead, but they would both make bad licensed games for the same reason: the license doesn't add value to the game. You don't need to pay George Miller for the right to make a game about people driving around in the desert shooting each other with up-gunned cars, not when it's actually happened in real life.

I'm not entirely sure why people are saying Fallout isn't popular enough. I'm in a medium sized town in England and the place has been completely bombarded with advertising, including full sized billboards, buses, bus stops, the works. Half the shows I watch on tv are 'sponsored by Fallout 4' and even the online shows I watch are fixated with it right now.

I have about 30-ish Steam friends. 16 of them own Fallout 4 on PC. It wouldn't surprise me if many of those who don't own it on another system.

According to Gamespot, it has grossed $750 million dollars in sales. - In other words, 3 times that of "Avengers: Age of Ultron" - according to Wikipedia anyhow.

Considering that Bethesda already have Season Passes for sale, it would be of no surprise if Bethesda intend a continuing public awareness of the brand where a miniatures kickstarter would come in handy.

If anything, a Fallout game might be *too* big for mantic.

Pacific, The Road and Terminator Genisys were joke suggestions. I really can't think of very many huge post-apoc franchises other than Mad Max, something with zombies, or Fallout (?). Personally, I'm over the entire post-apoc fad, and quite cross with Mantic's Really Unuseful kickstarter engine that caused such confusion and delay, so I kind of hope the new project falls on its ass.

Besides, you know Mantic is going to Mantic it up in the end.

 Compel wrote:
I'm not entirely sure why people are saying Fallout isn't popular enough. I'm in a medium sized town in England and the place has been completely bombarded with advertising, including full sized billboards, buses, bus stops, the works. Half the shows I watch on tv are 'sponsored by Fallout 4' and even the online shows I watch are fixated with it right now.

I have about 30-ish Steam friends. 16 of them own Fallout 4 on PC. It wouldn't surprise me if many of those who don't own it on another system.

According to Gamespot, it has grossed $750 million dollars in sales. - In other words, 3 times that of "Avengers: Age of Ultron" - according to Wikipedia anyhow.

Considering that Bethesda already have Season Passes for sale, it would be of no surprise if Bethesda intend a continuing public awareness of the brand where a miniatures kickstarter would come in handy.

If anything, a Fallout game might be *too* big for mantic.

I don't see much in the way of unique stuff that you'd get for a Fallout licence though? It's all pretty generic sci fi/ post apoc stuff, there aren't really any particularly stand out characters or factions that would grab peoples attention and the game itself doesn't exactly lend itself to board gaming or tabletop gaming. It would more just be a skirmish game that bares little resemblance to Fallout, set in the fairly generic Fallout universe?

Maybe I'm wrong, it might well have far more of a cult following than I'm giving it credit for and their could be a lot more interest in the different factions than I realise, but to me it doesn't have the obvious unique appeal of some other franchises I imagine if it was done well then it could work, but it doesn't look like an obviously succesful transition to me

Fallout is generic, non-characterful and lends itself poorly to tabletop?

If I wasn't at work right now I'd go into detail about why that is absolute nonsense.

 Alex C wrote:
Fallout is generic, non-characterful and lends itself poorly to tabletop?

If I wasn't at work right now I'd go into detail about why that is absolute nonsense.

I look forward to it, as for the life of me I can't think of anything non-generic about Fallout. I like the game, but I'm not seeing what it's actually come up with that's particularly new or different and I struggle to even remember any characters.

I also don't see how an RPG that's mainly about exploration and scavenging lends itself to a tabletop game. Would it be yet another skirmish game?

Like I said, I may well be overlooking things and it may have a lot of things that people think are unique or interesting. It's not a universe I'm particularly invested in, so I may well be overlooking things.

My own vote is for Mad Max as the likely game but, as to how Fallout could work...

You've got Supermutants, Brotherhood of Steel, Raiders, Enclave, NCR, Cesars Legion, Michael Dorn's mutant group plus a "Wasteland Settlers" faction (including the minutemen, Children of the Atom etc) as possible factions. And that's just off the top of my head from what I know from the last 2 games and the little I've played of Fallout 4.

The Fallout universe very much has its own style to it - the 1950's retrofuture which would give a characterful setting. And, hypothetically, allow them to use repackaged scenery kits from Mars Attacks (I think the scenery isn't necessarily part of the Mars Attacks license...)

 Pacific wrote:
This is basically the equivalent of the kid at school that claims to have seen the test paper, but refuses to tell anyone anything other than coy remarks

What it needs now is a 'bully' to flush them in the loos until they spill the beans (Alpharius?!)

Very exciting though, I wonder what the licence could possibly be to get this kind of response !

One that would quite possibly lose the license or break contract for Mantic if it gets widely leaked. I heard that there were NDA style agreements for previews, though that could be hyperbole.

Quite honestly I'm baffled why they did the preview, as its's trusting more than just spoiling a surprise. t's lovely that they do have that faith in the fanbase.

So that when Ronnie gets over excited and leaks it to a podcast or forum that turns around a post the info they have plausible deniability and can say


'oh the info was coming out anyway, Ronnie just wanted people to have their facts straight'

 Compel wrote:
My own vote is for Mad Max as the likely game but, as to how Fallout could work...

You've got Supermutants, Brotherhood of Steel, Raiders, Enclave, NCR, Cesars Legion, Michael Dorn's mutant group plus a "Wasteland Settlers" faction (including the minutemen, Children of the Atom etc) as possible factions. And that's just off the top of my head from what I know from the last 2 games and the little I've played of Fallout 4.

The Fallout universe very much has its own style to it - the 1950's retrofuture which would give a characterful setting. And, hypothetically, allow them to use repackaged scenery kits from Mars Attacks (I think the scenery isn't necessarily part of the Mars Attacks license...)

My point was more are any of those factions particularly unique? BoS and Enclave are humans in bulky power armour (hardly revolutionary, not even that far from Enforcers), Super Mutants are big bulky mutant people, not dissimilar to what Mantic already make for their Rebs DZ army. Raiders couldn't be much more generic. Ghouls aren't much more than zombies.

It seems to me like it would be far too similar to Deadzone? But like I said, I'm not as into the whole Fallout universe as some are, so who knows

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
This is basically the equivalent of the kid at school that claims to have seen the test paper, but refuses to tell anyone anything other than coy remarks

What it needs now is a 'bully' to flush them in the loos until they spill the beans (Alpharius?!)

Very exciting though, I wonder what the licence could possibly be to get this kind of response !

One that would quite possibly lose the license or break contract for Mantic if it gets widely leaked. I heard that there were NDA style agreements for previews, though that could be hyperbole.

Quite honestly I'm baffled why they did the preview, as its's trusting more than just spoiling a surprise. t's lovely that they do have that faith in the fanbase.

There was a guy blogging on another site that he had heard of an NDA also (unless that was you as well Buttery Commissar! )

I do think though that it was that serious an NDA (like the ones GW had with LoTR for instance), and they potentially faced losing a lisence that could net them $1-3mil, then Mantic probably wouldn't have done the preview.

Someone could just post the info from a sock-puppet account (in fact, I'm amazed it hasn't happened already)

BigOscar wrote:

 Compel wrote:
I'm not entirely sure why people are saying Fallout isn't popular enough. I'm in a medium sized town in England and the place has been completely bombarded with advertising, including full sized billboards, buses, bus stops, the works. Half the shows I watch on tv are 'sponsored by Fallout 4' and even the online shows I watch are fixated with it right now.

I have about 30-ish Steam friends. 16 of them own Fallout 4 on PC. It wouldn't surprise me if many of those who don't own it on another system.

According to Gamespot, it has grossed $750 million dollars in sales. - In other words, 3 times that of "Avengers: Age of Ultron" - according to Wikipedia anyhow.

Considering that Bethesda already have Season Passes for sale, it would be of no surprise if Bethesda intend a continuing public awareness of the brand where a miniatures kickstarter would come in handy.

If anything, a Fallout game might be *too* big for mantic.

I don't see much in the way of unique stuff that you'd get for a Fallout licence though? It's all pretty generic sci fi/ post apoc stuff, there aren't really any particularly stand out characters or factions that would grab peoples attention and the game itself doesn't exactly lend itself to board gaming or tabletop gaming. It would more just be a skirmish game that bares little resemblance to Fallout, set in the fairly generic Fallout universe?

Maybe I'm wrong, it might well have far more of a cult following than I'm giving it credit for and their could be a lot more interest in the different factions than I realise, but to me it doesn't have the obvious unique appeal of some other franchises I imagine if it was done well then it could work, but it doesn't look like an obviously succesful transition to me

You do know that the first two Fallout games (widely considered the best ones) were top-down and had grid- and turn-based combat right? There is even a Fallout Tactics game that was nothing but team-based tactical battles. A tabletop game would basically slot right in.

As for the setting, it's post-apocalyptic 1950s mixed with retro-futuristic technology. I can't even name one other franchise with a similar theme.

 Mymearan wrote:

BigOscar wrote:

 Compel wrote:
I'm not entirely sure why people are saying Fallout isn't popular enough. I'm in a medium sized town in England and the place has been completely bombarded with advertising, including full sized billboards, buses, bus stops, the works. Half the shows I watch on tv are 'sponsored by Fallout 4' and even the online shows I watch are fixated with it right now.

I have about 30-ish Steam friends. 16 of them own Fallout 4 on PC. It wouldn't surprise me if many of those who don't own it on another system.

According to Gamespot, it has grossed $750 million dollars in sales. - In other words, 3 times that of "Avengers: Age of Ultron" - according to Wikipedia anyhow.

Considering that Bethesda already have Season Passes for sale, it would be of no surprise if Bethesda intend a continuing public awareness of the brand where a miniatures kickstarter would come in handy.

If anything, a Fallout game might be *too* big for mantic.

I don't see much in the way of unique stuff that you'd get for a Fallout licence though? It's all pretty generic sci fi/ post apoc stuff, there aren't really any particularly stand out characters or factions that would grab peoples attention and the game itself doesn't exactly lend itself to board gaming or tabletop gaming. It would more just be a skirmish game that bares little resemblance to Fallout, set in the fairly generic Fallout universe?

Maybe I'm wrong, it might well have far more of a cult following than I'm giving it credit for and their could be a lot more interest in the different factions than I realise, but to me it doesn't have the obvious unique appeal of some other franchises I imagine if it was done well then it could work, but it doesn't look like an obviously succesful transition to me

You do know that the first two Fallout games were top-down and had grid- and turn-based combat right? There is even a Fallout Tactics game that was nothing but team-based tactical battles. A tabletop game would basically slot right in.

As for the setting, it's post-apocalyptic 1950s mixed with retro-futuristic technology. I can't even name one other franchise with a similar theme.

The grid based games aren't where the popularity of the game is though is it? It would be a very small part of the fanbase that had any interest in that, it's the Oblivion style RPG that has led it to being what it is now and what the vast majority of people expect. Would they release it as a grid based game? Or would it be just Deadzone with Fallout gangs?

As for the setting, just because you combine two very popular settings doesn't mean it's unique. Post apocalyptic and Americana are both incredibly common settings, it's the Nazi Zombie book of originality. (I'm not criticising, as I like the game, but it's just not very unique to me)

I'm not interested in Fallout or Zombies, really, and the Fallout franchise is not something I'd call goliath - it's a niche game. Sure, it's pretty big for a niche game, but it's still a niche.

Call of Duty, Battlefront, League of Legends, GTA, WoW, and perhaps also Assassin's Creed and Starcraft, those are goliaths.