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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... anyone know where I can buy an extra set of tiles? Yeah, I'm serious. 15 tiles would be a much bigger boon than just 10.

Really? You must have tons of tiles already! Seriously, if I was to take all the tiles I have ( multiple editions of space hulk, space crusade, legions of steal etc..., and these are just modern, I'm not even counting the tile from dungeon crawler games) I'm sure I can fill up a room. I'm just guessing, but I assume you have quite a collection yourself.

Almost every current era D&D tile set x2 or x4, both new sets of D&D map sheets (6 double sided full-sized sheets), almost all the D&D vinyl maps that GF9 make. 1st Ed Space Hulk (+ Deathwing + Genestealer x2), Tyranid Attack x2, 2nd Ed Space Hulk, 3rd Ed Space Hulk x1.5, almost every map made for Maps of Mystery, Zombicide tiles x2, Sedition Wars tiles x2, Star Ship Troopers RPG map set, every BattleTech Map x2 (some x3), DOOM board game tiles x2, Warhammer Quest tiles (+both expansions), around 10 or so Paizo Flip Mats and 2-3 Paizo Map Tile sets.

I think that's all of it.

I like maps. And tiles.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Almost every current era D&D tile set x2 or x4, both new sets of D&D map sheets (6 double sided full-sized sheets), almost all the D&D vinyl maps that GF9 make. 1st Ed Space Hulk (+ Deathwing + Genestealer x2), Tyranid Attack x2, 2nd Ed Space Hulk, 3rd Ed Space Hulk x1.5, almost every map made for Maps of Mystery, Zombicide tiles x2, Sedition Wars tiles x2, Star Ship Troopers RPG map set, every BattleTech Map x2 (some x3), DOOM board game tiles x2, Warhammer Quest tiles (+both expansions), around 10 or so Paizo Flip Mats and 2-3 Paizo Map Tile sets.

I think that's all of it.

I like maps. And tiles.

That's what I figured.

By the way I have had no issues with my Sedition Wars tiles warping. It may be because I didn't even really handle them for a few days while I cleaned the miniatures and just left them in the box. I do have a couple of corners that are just slightly peeling because the box is pretty tight, but nothing major. My only issue were that some of my female weapon arms were actually broken and missing the actual arm parts. I almost feel bad bugging them about it as it appears that everyone else is throwing a gak fit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... anyone know where I can buy an extra set of tiles? Yeah, I'm serious. 15 tiles would be a much bigger boon than just 10.

The additional tiles were stated to be $25 USD during the kickstarter, compared to the $30 MSRP. I'm don't know for a fact, but this would imply that the tiles would be available separately for $30 at some point after the kickstarter. Incidentally the only other thing described this way was the terrain pack ($30/$40) so it does seem that they were were making a delineation between kickstarter only and eventual general release.

 Slinky wrote:
Planning to start painting a few Strain over the weekend, going to go for a pretty simple base coat and wash paintjob, but I hope it will look effective enough

Finished the first 2. Very quick paint job, base coat and Devlan Mud, but effective enough for my purposes, I think .

If you think DakkaDakka can get rough.... BBG really will teach you a lesson. Though there are some gems there.

Finished the first 2. Very quick paint job, base coat and Devlan Mud, but effective enough for my purposes, I think .

I like them! If I ever paint mine, that's about the effect I will be going for. Vanguard will be about the same, with whatever color of armor I decide upon, and then Devlan mud for everything but the weapons, black wash for those and the base.

I think I've finally decided not to paint my models. For now, anyway.

If you think DakkaDakka can get rough.... BBG really will teach you a lesson. Though there are some gems there.

It's actually been damn funny to go over to Boardgamegeek just to read the hideous nerd angst against the game where people are tearing into the littlest bits and pieces in stupid complaints. Some examples:

"Counters that aren't double-sided is just inexcusable for a board game".

'This just proves that not being willing to release the rules ahead of time is a sure sign of a bad game".

'The minis are truly warped beyond useability".

"It is inexcusable that some of the unit cards flip the other way than the rest. Such a sign of low quality."

Holy Cow.

I hope Mike doesn't ever look on there- I would hate for him to get discouraged. Apart from some flaws, I really like the SedWars world, and I hope to see more show up from Studio Mcvey. The growing Errata list is depressing, but if they decide to do what they have rumored, and give out an updated PDF that takes it all into account that would be a great step.

Well, while singlesided counters are a minor nuisance (and really not all that uncommon) I must say the inconsistent cards are going to annoy the feth out of me for sure, too.

Had that PDF been available in June we'd have collaboratively gooten all the errors out (making the book actually useful).

Still, not the signs of the end times bgg is wont to make... everything... out to be.

Yeah aegis. I read that thread too and, man..... Just don't know what to say.

I do have to give them some credit, they do have points. Yes they make moutains out of molehills....but they are still points.

I think war-gamers though are used to a lot of these issues, that maybe board gamers are not used to. It does make me wonder what they are going to do, because honestly I can't see them releasing this game to the general public the way it is. Not that I think this was ever going to be stocked at walmart, but I don't even think it is fit for most gamers that are not big miniatures people.

I like to think we got prototypes and that they are going to improve and fix the issues before a general release.

The game really needed more playtesting. there is no way you can play the game without running into issues, playtesting with outside groups would have shown that. I can understand not wanting to give out to much of the rules to the General public, lets face it, most people have boards and minis, all that is really needed to play is the rules.

I think you're probably right on those accounts Andrew. My biggest problem is the butthurt sense of entitlement they espouse.

I love the minis. I'm happy enough with the rules. I'm not a rules lawyer me my gaming typically comes with beer and friends, so the super antagonism they present isn't my bag.

So who's gotten some more gameplay in? I think the Strategic Scenarios are where the real meat of the game is, becase not only could you use easy house rules to play on an open tabletop like full wargame, but you can, with a little fudging, play those on any kind of 1" map you have.

I have about 15 Star Wars Miniatures maps that if I remember right are at least the size of a 2x2.5 grid of SedWars tiles and they could really make things fun. Evocative things to fight over like ruined bases, dense undercity slums, frozen outposts.....

They really only need an agreement on points for the forces, and slight redefining of what the terrain might be, because if I remember right they use different colors for things like low terrain. Doors are no problem as they are all white, and windows don't really exist.

cincydooley: I agree, way too much crying about little things. Seriously, cards 1mm off and printed upside down, that is the biggest 1st world sob story ever..oh whaaa!

I do get though that when somebody spends $100 on a game you do expect the producers to do their due diligence. In many ways I can see where people might get the idea that the game is half baked. However it is a kickstarter project, these things do tend to be a little rushed, not many people are going to pledge to a product that won't be released for a year while the bugs are being worked out.

AegisGrimm: I'm not sure how well the game is going to really scale up, there are a lot of issues. Logistically just keeping track of so many miniatures and their cards will be an issue, then you have the rules! Tactics points work ok when you have a small force. Now you have to spread those tactics across 20 or more miniature. It can all be worked out I'm sure though. Right now I'm just enjoying it for what it is. A fun board game.

My big concern right now is that they will rush the FAQ and come up with rules that are not the best just because the pressure is on. Looking at the FAQ on the studio forums, I can say I am not happy with many of the decisions.

AegisGrimm: I'm not sure how well the game is going to really scale up, there are a lot of issues. Logistically just keeping track of so many miniatures and their cards will be an issue, then you have the rules! Tactics points work ok when you have a small force. Now you have to spread those tactics across 20 or more miniature. It can all be worked out I'm sure though. Right now I'm just enjoying it for what it is. A fun board game.

Oh, totally true on the scaling part. It would end up being an almighty nightmare when tracking wounds on all the cards of more than a skirmish-level group of models. When I was talking about making it more of a wargame, I meant keep the force sizes of the base game of SedWars, but dropping the grid in favor if "inch" measurements and normal "open tabletop" of wargaming terrain, like 40k. Probably a battlefield of no more than 3x3 would work great.

Is anyone else wanting to sell off some Strain?

 Bloodhorror wrote:
Is anyone else wanting to sell off some Strain?

I will be. Mine hasn't arrive yet, though - I expect it will be here tomorrow.

 Bloodhorror wrote:
Is anyone else wanting to sell off some Strain?

I would be, but mailing them to you now would probably be cost prohibative

 Bloodhorror wrote:
Is anyone else wanting to sell off some Strain?

I will. PM me if you want to buy.

EDIT: The USPS may have other ideas...

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Rob Baxter said he has had ideas for a war game that would use 8 to 30 miniatures depending how crazy he is able to get, though I hope if it is true he has lots of open beta. Would expect rules for another year or 2 if at all... so.

Not worried.

Regarding some comments towards KS here is one that was directed more towards Kingdom Death and the use had similar criticism towards SedWars (all compalints are either unfounded or via other people's complaints but not his own experiences.)

And yet, I get the feeling that it's mostly boardgamers who are buying these things. I've been a minis gamer for around 8 years and I don't know a single minis gamer who's pledged to any one of them. They generally can't believe people are paying so much money for these games that don't have rules and may or may not actually exist.

A minis game is (to a minis gamer) a lifestyle game. You expect to play it regularly for a long time. 1-2 nights per week for several years is not atypical, and you may or may not play any other games. This is what makes the expense and effort worthwhile, that you will be getting an enormous amount of gameplay in return.

To be a viable choice, a game must demonstrate that it has quality rules, good game balance, and a long term commitment. Good minis is a bonus. These games have not demonstrated any of these things beyond "good minis", plus the minis don't actually exist yet and may not. I just don't see how it can be any more clear that these are unsuitable *AS A MINIATURES GAME*.

Fortunately, the boardgamers have much lower standards. If it "looks like fun" in the words of so many posters and the minis are cool (it helps if they look like zombies or boobies apparently) then they'll buy it and they don't seems to care if all they get is a box of plastic dudes with no actual game.

Oh man, am I in the wrong business. I'm pretty sure I could fail to deliver quality rules. Anyone want to back me on it? Oh wait, but I don't have a bucket of artificially scarce boobie monster toys to include with it, so I guess not...

I honestly feel sorry for Adam Poots if his game is even in the slightest bit late. Just listened to a pod cast where the hose basically said delivery time was key and being just a few week delayed is unacceptable and would stop him from KS the company again.

Gamers are worse than the New York sports media. I do not envy Mike McVey, Adam Poots or any game designer. Gamers are relentless.

Walking into the Lion's Den.

I don't get that. I AM a minis gamer, and have rule sets I like. Both Zombicide and Sedition Wars were a means of getting some cool minis that I can use for rules I already have and enjoy. I, and several other minis gamers I know, backed these games as a result.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Rob Baxter said he has had ideas for a war game that would use 8 to 30 miniatures depending how crazy he is able to get, though I hope if it is true he has lots of open beta. Would expect rules for another year or 2 if at all... so.

Not worried.

Sedition Wars needs some people with half a brain on the rules. As sad as it is to say, a good population of our active forum users could probably have individually put together a better set of rules than the trash they released.

I didn't quote the rest of your post, but I've also refrained from Kickstarters (Pulled a $750 pledge on Kingdom Death) and will not be buying into them further. I am sure there are some amazing deals out there (Reaper Bones was great and I will be happy when I get my items) but that's what KS is mostly. You have no guarantee of quality or even delivery at the end of the day. You have no guarantee of anything.

Personally? I would rather not put my money into the hands of anyone for over a year just so I can get a few little pieces of plastic & resin that I may come to realize kind of sucked for the money I paid for them without ever seeing them.

Are the SW minis ok? Sure. Is SW ok? Not really.

I don't feel like they put much effort into the game itself. They sure did put the effort into getting our pledges though.

I'm in on the kingdom Death for around $800. I doubt I will ever play the game after watching the videos. I'm in simply because I really like the KD line of minatures, having bought most of them already. I saw an oppartunity to buy a shed load of models, from a line I love, at a lower than retail price.

My pledge is as high because i like working with resin, and I've bought in all the resin models.

I can see how people are seeking perfection in a set of game rules. Studio McVey were very against early realease of the rules. I suspect that this was not down to the quality of them, but for fear of them being used and not bought. If we look at another Kickstarter, Sodapop's Relic Knights, preview rules have been avaialble to dowbload for sometime now and Sodapop have actively encouraged people to play then, and give their feedback so they can produce a final set of rules that has been play tested thoroughly.

People are seeing KS as producing a final product. You are pledging to make get something into production, which may not be perfect. Even large established companies like GW release rule sets even now with soem absolute howling errors in there that should have been picked up and require a quick FAQ to be released.

I for one support Mike and his Sedition Wars, it can only get better.

I agree that the rules need work. But I'm willing to work with it. Look how soon there was a FAQ and Errata for 40K 6th edition put up (only a couple of days?), and GW has been putting out a variation of the same ruleset for nearly 30 freaking years, while this is the first print iteration of SedWars!!!

Also: People, especially those on BGG, need to stop being butt-hurt about not getting the rules for SedWars before the product. We get it, you think that was something wrong. It's been six months of the same broken record!

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I agree that the rules need work. But I'm willing to work with it. Look how soon there was a FAQ and Errata for 40K 6th edition put up (only a couple of days?), and GW has been putting out a variation of the same ruleset for nearly 30 freaking years, while this is the first print iteration of SedWars!!!

Also: People, especially those on BGG, need to stop being butt-hurt about not getting the rules for SedWars before the product. We get it, you think that was something wrong. It's been six months of the same broken record!

The rules look like they were put together in a few hours without being looked over, revised or play tested. In other words, it feels like these were a draft, the very first one.

That's part of the problem.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I agree that the rules need work. But I'm willing to work with it. Look how soon there was a FAQ and Errata for 40K 6th edition put up (only a couple of days?), and GW has been putting out a variation of the same ruleset for nearly 30 freaking years, while this is the first print iteration of SedWars!!!

Also: People, especially those on BGG, need to stop being butt-hurt about not getting the rules for SedWars before the product. We get it, you think that was something wrong. It's been six months of the same broken record!

The rules look like they were put together in a few hours without being looked over, revised or play tested. In other words, it feels like these were a draft, the very first one.

That's part of the problem.

I have the original beta rules from 2 or so years ago.

Somewhere between beta and the released rules someone fahked up.

Beta rules weren't too shabby, needed some better placement but they were not a mess.

I hope CMON throws in a new copy of the rules in AoS.


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 AegisGrimm wrote:


Also: People, especially those on BGG, need to stop being butt-hurt about not getting the rules for SedWars before the product. We get it, you think that was something wrong. It's been six months of the same broken record!

Once again, it's BGG. Some of the posters on that site should be embarrassed of themselves.

Hmm, just got my WGM package in, busy on a few vanguard.
Few impressions:
1) WOW. just, WOW. the level of detail on the plastics is every bit as good as I expected and whoever was complaining about lack of it is probably unable to find his arse with both his hands.
Stuff is pretty damn good!
2) However, mold lines are **pretty** bad. it took me ~5H to clean and assemble 12 Vanguard properly (okay, that does include priming them and I might have testpainted one while assembling the rest - in mitigation).
3) Rules look properly jumbled indeed. Not happy, and I hope they'll make a 'fixed' version available as hardcopy sometime soon. be it in AoS (which I'll be sure to get) or separately - it is needed badly.
4) Counters: Funny enough - the offset on the counters varies from sheet to sheet (I have two of each, so can compare). one or two of my sheets are fine, one is unacceptable (so far off-centre parts of the image are 'missing' on some counters) and the other one or two lie somewhere in between. OK-ish but nothing to be particularly happy with. still, it's just counters and CMoN has indicated they'd replace counters if you're unhappy so oh well, nothing too bad.
5) Map tiles: Oookay, well, the good ol' dinged corner issue here as well, as well as some edges coming loose. small size variance as well (small, but just enough to be annoying). they're not ruined or anything but not what I'd expect from a product like this, out of the box.
6) Cards, majority of the minis: Haven't even had time to check - but they'll probably be OK. Will probably have checked everything by the weekend, doesn't seem all that sensible to mail CMoN about tiles/counters yet (especially as I want to see how my tiles behave for a few days first ).

All in all to be honest, I really remember what I pledged for on this one: the minis. and those are really, truly awesome.
...As long as you know your way around a mold line or two. thousand.
Really, the folks who were up in arms about Dreadball mold lines are in for a *treat* on this one

Decidedly WiP pics:


haven't even started on the visor yet, gloves need to be different color than armour and I think I'll go for something non-metallic on the weapons, in the end.
Really though, they almost paint themselves IMO!

 Bolognesus wrote:
Really though, they almost paint themselves IMO!

That's what I have found with the Strain I have worked on so far - detailed enough that you can get away with a v simple paint job.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Update: I just looked over the BGG forums, and people are still posting new posts about how the rules now being downloadable were a "conspiracy" on behalf of Studio Mcvey who was using that excuse to "hide" a faulty/bad ruleset that might have lost some customers if it was known...........sheesh!

Though I did see a review that brought out some of the flaws in the writing of the rules to my attention, ones where instead of reading the book, you need to really play the game to see a problem.

The rules thing didn't bother me at the time, but to be fair, since the game has been arriving, a lot of people have been noting layout that could/should have been far better, ambiguous rules, etc. If the rules were out in the open from the get go, then perhaps a lot of that could have been fixed up pre-printing rather than us having to get a "PDF" of the errata'ed rules.




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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Almost every current era D&D tile set x2 or x4, both new sets of D&D map sheets (6 double sided full-sized sheets), almost all the D&D vinyl maps that GF9 make. 1st Ed Space Hulk (+ Deathwing + Genestealer x2), Tyranid Attack x2, 2nd Ed Space Hulk, 3rd Ed Space Hulk x1.5, almost every map made for Maps of Mystery, Zombicide tiles x2, Sedition Wars tiles x2, Star Ship Troopers RPG map set, every BattleTech Map x2 (some x3), DOOM board game tiles x2, Warhammer Quest tiles (+both expansions), around 10 or so Paizo Flip Mats and 2-3 Paizo Map Tile sets.

I think that's all of it.

I like maps. And tiles.

You should chase up some of the Star Wars miniatures sets.
Here's some heavily discounted (with some prepaints)
http://www.gamesempire.com.au/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=6706
http://www.gamesempire.com.au/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=298


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Should be getting mine tonight. Hope I don't need to get anything replaced.