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Nothing for the wolves? Maybe they'll throw us a bone and give us flakk missiles or something, but then strength 7 sucks against flyers anyways. No flyers, means no reliable way to take on flyers.

On a side note, it would be interesting if Long Fang's Fire Control rule was updated to allow skyfire or split firing provided the squad leader was still alive, and since the squad leader is a Character, he could be challenged . But that would probably still be OP as 5 skyfire Lascannons is just ridiculous, even at 40 points per model.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean, if you really want a Chibi-Hawk for your Marines then, ok, fine, but I already own two Chibi-Hawks and never had any intention of fielding them, so what do I care?

Why'd you buy them then? Didn't think you were a fan of the model...

Well thats saved me some cash, no need to buy this one

 Flashman wrote:
Why'd you buy them then? Didn't think you were a fan of the model...

I'm not. I think the Chibi-Hawk looks absurd, but the CHS conversion kit (which I also have two of) helps them look as they should. As for why? For Deathwatch.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
Why'd you buy them then? Didn't think you were a fan of the model...

I'm not. I think the Chibi-Hawk looks absurd, but the CHS conversion kit (which I also have two of) helps them look as they should. As for why? For Deathwatch.

Fair enough

 Lorizael wrote:

Some people take this game too seriously. Players that pick and choose their rules or refuse to play using certain armies/updates/rules generally aren't people worth playing...

Sometimes. Sometimes they're just people who don't want to be forced to buy a book that will be rendered partially obsolete the moment GW release another codex.

Apropos, the aforementioned Wargear Book. I feel almost as sorry for the poor sods who bought that as I do for those that shelled out for GW's "We will update this... honest!" army-builder software.

 insaniak wrote:

 Lorizael wrote:

Some people take this game too seriously. Players that pick and choose their rules or refuse to play using certain armies/updates/rules generally aren't people worth playing...

Sometimes. Sometimes they're just people who don't want to be forced to buy a book that will be rendered partially obsolete the moment GW release another codex.

If its a rules update - its a rules update - we may not like it but if you ignore these - then its house rules and you will have to know the changes for tournament play - if you are into that and of course it helps for general play if everyone is using the same rules. Otherwise you get into situations where oplayers are paying different costs for the same thing for the same army.

If the only rules change is merely gving some more options to Space Marines - everyone will know - if its minor adjustments to other flyers -same - you won't have to buy it, for one thing any rules changes will be on this forum as soon as someone gets hold of it.

I hope the rumours are wrong and its not the travesty of what it could have been.

I have the old armies CD's - got good use out of them whilst they lasted

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Apropos, the aforementioned Wargear Book. I feel almost as sorry for the poor sods who bought that as I do for those that shelled out for GW's "We will update this... honest!" army-builder software.

When did GW have an army builder?

I beliee it has released 3 army builders over the past hmm... 14 years.

The first was a general one for early 3rd edition. Then they had 2 out in 2003. "Codex Armies of The Imperium" and I think the other was "Codex Armies of the Xenos."

I had the original and Armies of the Imperium. - Both were kind of rubbish and I just stuck to Excel afterwards. I think they may have had another go later on.

 blood reaper wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Apropos, the aforementioned Wargear Book. I feel almost as sorry for the poor sods who bought that as I do for those that shelled out for GW's "We will update this... honest!" army-builder software.

When did GW have an army builder?

Around the time the had a Forum.

 pretre wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
I don't think you have to be Captain Whiner of the Hypocrite Brigade to think that paying $40 for the rules for a single unit is a little steep.

It's simply lousy. I don't care what the precedent is, I don't care what other people complained about, but finding out that finding out the rules for exactly one model will cost that much is a bummer.

I completely agree that paying $40 for the rules for one unit would be a little steep. Good thing the book will have far more than just the rules for one unit in it (or so the rumors say).

That's like saying that paying $30 (or whatever it was) for Chapter Approved was waay too much since I was only getting one army list out of it. Well, yeah, I only really wanted one list but the book had WAY more than that in it. Do I think this book will be Chapter Approved awesome? No idea yet, because we haven't seen more details.

Back orders of WD were not hard to find back then, though. In fact, IIRC you could just order them from GW, provided they still had any in stock. At least three stores in my area kept STACKS of WD back issues. And the Chapter Approved had printed errata, new lists, new entries, and the VDR and TAR. Ahh! The TAR. The last time GW put out beta rules for public consumption. One wonders how badly that backfired for them, because I assure you in my neck of the woods it was very popular and a decision that made the community feel like the company reached out to its fans for feed back.

Besides. Dude. Kroot Mercs list. /thread.

Besides. Dude. Kroot Mercs list. /thread.

Hell yeah for Chapter Approved! I have a Kroot Merc army and a Legion of the Damned Cursed Founding army. If anyone wants to see what a real "Compendium" is supposed to be like, look at the Chapter Approved books.

I like how they won't even give these expensive books original artwork on the cover.

I can has new Harpy rules?
Or at least a model?

...

No? :-(

Does anyone have pics on the new Eldar codex approved flyer, I want to know if I should just get those, or splurge on a Nightwing

rigeld2 wrote:
I can has new Harpy rules?
Or at least a model?

...

No? :-(

At this point my Spacewolves would take anything, maybe they can make a dual model box Harpy and call the Spacewolves version the Wolfy with hairy bits on it. It can be yet another "there are no wolves on Fenris thing".

This rumored book went from exciting to very quickly.

This book should be pretty cool.

Tyranids have been waiting 4 years for a model for a codex entry, I think they ought to get that, one of these days.

And maybe then I can have my plastic-fricking-hydria, 5 years on that one.

Less storm potatos and flying land raiders, more actually completing codexes, mkay?

I'm surprised Templar are getting anything... I'm happy with a Storm Raven- it'll stop me from Righteous Zealing off of the Quad Gun and outside of the Aegis line <<

so if vanilla marines are getting the SR, does that mean the ST will now be available to GK and BA?

 DarthSpader wrote:
so if vanilla marines are getting the SR, does that mean the ST will now be available to GK and BA?

I was wondering that myself. For fairness sake, I hope so. I mean, if everyone has our special toy now, we should get theirs. It doesn't really matter though, as I'm an apoc guy anyway. I'll still play them regardless.

 ruyn wrote:

 DarthSpader wrote:
so if vanilla marines are getting the SR, does that mean the ST will now be available to GK and BA?

I was wondering that myself. For fairness sake, I hope so. I mean, if everyone has our special toy now, we should get theirs. It doesn't really matter though, as I'm an apoc guy anyway. I'll still play them regardless.

Yeah seems a bit harsh that we only get the choice of one flyer, and they'll get two.

Everyone Marine, you mean.

It's not like Orks or DE can take other codex flyers outside of allies, after all

I wouldn't mind having access to SR or ST for my Dark Angels though. The new flyers look good, but aren't that hot in-game mainly due to being undergunned.

S5 AP - small blast, Blind being described as a rip in reality that obliterates the target makes me chuckle though..

Man i want the SR bad. It would be perfect for my Terminators.

Eldercaveman wrote:Yeah seems a bit harsh that we only get the choice of one flyer, and they'll get two.

You could be playing an army that has no flyers.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:Yeah seems a bit harsh that we only get the choice of one flyer, and they'll get two.

You could be playing an army that has no flyers.

Yeah true, it doesn't really bother me that much at the minute, as I'm not even playing Blood Angels much any more, and putting more attention into Nids.

 DarthSpader wrote:
so if vanilla marines are getting the SR, does that mean the ST will now be available to GK and BA?

Or why the Dark Angels don't get it either? The only reason I can think of is to not piss off people who paid $50 USD for a codex only to have new rules added to their army in a second book a month or two later. The dark angels have just as many transport flyers as vanilla marines currently which is none. The space guppy and bat-wing are analogous but neither are transports. Both vanilla and DA have access to the storm eagle but that's FW and a different ball of wax anyways. It's just weird that all marine chapters would get the raven except for the DA.

 warboss wrote:
It's just weird that all marine chapters would get the raven except for the DA.

..........and Space Wolves.

 ruyn wrote:

 DarthSpader wrote:
so if vanilla marines are getting the SR, does that mean the ST will now be available to GK and BA?

I was wondering that myself. For fairness sake, I hope so. I mean, if everyone has our special toy now, we should get theirs. It doesn't really matter though, as I'm an apoc guy anyway. I'll still play them regardless.

Because BA and GK don't already have enough other "toys"?