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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just thinking about this... many moons ago we got wind of something called the “Summer of Fliers”. What this “Summer of Fliers” was or would be changed quite a bit since we first heard about it, but I guess that this book is the culmination of those original rumours – we did get a flyer ‘expansion’.

I wonder though how “Summer of Flies” became “Direct Only Book of Stuff We Already Printed & No New Rules”?

Don't forget we had a flyer release month in June 2012 (summer!) with WD rules, the ones that are now more or less reprinted. And at least 3-4 more flyers ready for a release for a while (Tyranids, Dark Eldar, Tau, maybe Eldar).
BTW I like your typo: “Summer of Flies”

Perhaps this was the plan; tempt us with snippets from WD, gauge the reactions, then release a full blown product once they see it would sell.

I bet they didn't expect this reaction (a negative one) as we consumers did express a rules compilation for certain things that were exclusively in WD.

Doesn't matter how many times or how many ways you explain it Kan, none of this has anything to do with Spearhead. You're attempting to attribute meaning where there is none, and reaching really far in order to do it.

Releases like this make me happy I quit buying GW Stuff over a year and a half ago.

 Kanluwen wrote:
"Death From the Skies" brings something else to the table, with new units being the primary selling point...but not for every faction nor packaged with a Codex legal unit.

There aren't any new units?

 WarOne wrote:
Perhaps this was the plan; tempt us with snippets from WD, gauge the reactions, then release a full blown product once they see it would sell.

I bet they didn't expect this reaction (a negative one) as we consumers did express a rules compilation for certain things that were exclusively in WD.

It would have been better if they would have given some sort of notice for the masses. Would have solved a some of the negativity going on.
but to do this goes against their cone of silence policy concerning new product.

I'm not buying it as I do not buy anything directly from the GW online store regardless.

 WarOne wrote:
Perhaps this was the plan; tempt us with snippets from WD, gauge the reactions, then release a full blown product once they see it would sell.

This is far from a full blown product. Mail Order only, no preorder, only English, no WD presentation clearly point at a test stop gap product not worthy a regular release.

So the only important question is this.

Have they adjusted the points values of some of the cheaper flyers, have the death bagel, doom bagel, and the vendetta gone up in cost?

Thats all that matters, I dont care about the kits released with no discount, nor do I care about the loss of deep strike on units that barely used it anyway.

If they haven't adjusted these costs... Well missed opportunity to balance.the game a little.

 Formosa wrote:
So the only important question is this.

Have they adjusted the points values of some of the cheaper flyers, have the death bagel, doom bagel, and the vendetta gone up in cost?

Thats all that matters, I dont care about the kits released with no discount, nor do I care about the loss of deep strike on units that barely used it anyway.

If they haven't adjusted these costs... Well missed opportunity to balance.the game a little.

If it wasn't covered in the FAQ then no. How would you justify that somebody has to pay more because the DftS book says it does, when the codex says it costs X and no FAQ to say otherwise.

I don't have any particular problem with the book itself. I do have a problem with how it's being distributed. Direct only sales is asshattery.

I was hoping this book would bring all the fliers in line for 6th edition *cough*vendetta*cough*, but it looks like I'm still paying 180 points for one AV11 tl-Lascannon when I could ally in an AV12 3 tl-Lascannons flier for 130 points...

I still dont understand why they had to do a whole new book. Why not just reprint the orignial WD with the flyier rules and make that available rather then all this mess.

WD - € 8.00
This book - € 26.00

Reason enough?

 Ozymandias wrote:
I was hoping this book would bring all the fliers in line for 6th edition *cough*vendetta*cough*, but it looks like I'm still paying 180 points for one AV11 tl-Lascannon when I could ally in an AV12 3 tl-Lascannons flier for 130 points...

This was my hope as well. How I continue to think they might change their ways is beyond me.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Ozymandias wrote:
I was hoping this book would bring all the fliers in line for 6th edition *cough*vendetta*cough*, but it looks like I'm still paying 180 points for one AV11 tl-Lascannon when I could ally in an AV12 3 tl-Lascannons flier for 130 points...

This was my hope as well. How I continue to think they might change their ways is beyond me.

Maybe if 'Death from Above' sells well enough at £20, they'll do a 2nd Edition Death From Above in a year, for £30, that actually fixes the flier rules so that the game is almost balanced?

 Ian Sturrock wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

 Ozymandias wrote:
I was hoping this book would bring all the fliers in line for 6th edition *cough*vendetta*cough*, but it looks like I'm still paying 180 points for one AV11 tl-Lascannon when I could ally in an AV12 3 tl-Lascannons flier for 130 points...

This was my hope as well. How I continue to think they might change their ways is beyond me.

Maybe if 'Death from Above' sells well enough at £20, they'll do a 2nd Edition Death From Above in a year, for £30, that actually fixes the flier rules so that the game is almost balanced? 7th Edition flyers are broken again?

Fixed that for you.

Did anyone really think that this would change the points costs in the Codex’s? The current rage that this book seems to be generating would be nothing compared to what would happen if some armies HAD to buy this on top of their codex just to make their army list legal again.

I’m not sure why people are getting so worked up over this. I’ve no intention of buying it myself and think it’s unnecessary and a bit of a waste of money, but GW are quite clear that it’s just a summary of material that has been published elsewhere so they’re not conning people, and it’s just a random mid-month release so I can’t really see the harm it does. If people don’t want it, don’t buy it, and GW will be less likely to do a similar release in the future. It’s clear that GW policies are driven by sales, not by internet ‘feedback’.

Dundas wrote:
Did anyone really think that this would change the points costs in the Codex’s? The current rage that this book seems to be generating would be nothing compared to what would happen if some armies HAD to buy this on top of their codex just to make their army list legal again.

I’m not sure why people are getting so worked up over this. I’ve no intention of buying it myself and think it’s unnecessary and a bit of a waste of money, but GW are quite clear that it’s just a summary of material that has been published elsewhere so they’re not conning people, and it’s just a random mid-month release so I can’t really see the harm it does. If people don’t want it, don’t buy it, and GW will be less likely to do a similar release in the future. It’s clear that GW policies are driven by sales, not by internet ‘feedback’.

The FAQ for Codex: Orks states:
White Dwarf June 2012 (WD390)
Updated rules for the Ork Dakkajet, Burna-bommer and Blitzabommer
can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium.

So apparently GW wants to force me to buy this new compendium for the Ork KoS force I'm building. The WD came out about half a year ago, and the Ork codex will probably be released within a year or something, so I simply can't see why they just coulden't have made an addition to the FAQ like they did with Codex: IG.

Its likely any second version will drop "uneeded" flyers like the Ork ones as they need the room for Marine ones.

Lets face it, there are a 1000 Chapters so we can "look forward" to a similar numebr of "unique" crap looking flyers before they bother to look at other armies.............

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its likely any second version will drop "uneeded" flyers like the Ork ones as they need the room for Marine ones.

Lets face it, there are a 1000 Chapters so we can "look forward" to a similar numebr of "unique" crap looking flyers before they bother to look at other armies.............

What does this add other than you moaning about how much you dislike Marines?


On topic: Stormtalons and Stormravens are nice and all, but Templars will probably remain as bad as before; the issue isn't that there's a lack of fancy, expensive units but that the troops choice is rubbish.

I don't dislike Marines - I have 3 and half Marine armies.

The continuing issue is that other races (which I also play) are not being catered for in any way and this book has done nothing to assist this.

It was about as OT as your point that BT don't have good selections. At least now they have a flyer selection beyond allies - unlike the Nids who get FA.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Maybe if 'Death from Above' sells well enough at £20, they'll do a 2nd Edition Death From Above in a year, for £30, that actually fixes the flier rules so that the game is almost balanced?

Well I was going to buy it, but the UK store at least is showing it is no longer in stock, 2 days after release. If this is a reflection of the demand, then it is most certainly there.

For the reasons why I'd buy it? I don't collect the Whit Dwarf magazines anymore, as the majority of the time it contains nothing of interest to me. The 6th edition flier rules are in use in our gameing group with one person having the campaign book, which had them in, so a second copy would always be useful. I would never be able to get a digital copy as I will never subscribe to Apple's marketing practices - if GW considered releasing digital copies via PC or Android, I probably would purchase a copy, though the physical book is always a preference.

I have dropped their CS a message to see if there will be any reprints, but who knows.

My copy is shipping, apparently.

Little snippet from FW on 'book

With Death from the Skies now on sale, and with thanks to numerous posts on our wall, consider this an official FAQ:

The rules don't overlap onto Imperial Armour Aeronautica. Any of our flyers that list Deep Strike among their special rules can still Deep Strike.
Stormravens cannot carry Contemptors.
Storm Eagles aren't available to Blood Angels. There's a price for refusing to reveal STC data.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat790002a&prodId=prod1950012a

Oh crap...

"Availability: No Longer Available Part Code: 60040199031"

I dropped GW customer service an email about wether they where going to update the digital marine codex to include the stormraven rules and at the moment they havent decided if they will do the update let alone a date to actually do the update.

the_trooper wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat790002a&prodId=prod1950012a

Oh crap...

"Availability: No Longer Available Part Code: 60040199031"

You did read the part at the top of description? No need to start worrying.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Maybe if 'Death from Above' sells well enough at £20, they'll do a 2nd Edition Death From Above in a year, for £30, that actually fixes the flier rules so that the game is almost balanced?

Face it folks: This "crap" is already sold out and waiting for a reprint!

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Maybe if 'Death from Above' sells well enough at £20, they'll do a 2nd Edition Death From Above in a year, for £30, that actually fixes the flier rules so that the game is almost balanced?

Face it folks: This "crap" is already sold out and waiting for a reprint!

Wouldn't it be sad if this was a limited run and that was all that was going to be available for the near future?

the_trooper wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat790002a&prodId=prod1950012a

Oh crap...

"Availability: No Longer Available Part Code: 60040199031"

From literally the same page...

**STOP PRESS**
Due to exceptional demand Death From The Skies is out of stock. We will make this book available to purchase as soon as we are able, in the meantime please keep checking back on this product page for any updates.

So many space marine players unable to use their storm talons and storm ravens til it's back in print, oh dear. That or they will be busy googling pirate PDFs, what do we think is more likely?