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 pretre wrote:
Retributors keep rending. One use only. NERF.

Holy crap, all acts of faith are once per game. That's a nerf.

Wow. I take back my statement.

Uriah gives out a 5+ to his unit and once per game his unit can reuse an AoF. Auto pass.


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All models within 12" of Uriah have Fearless and Counter-attack.

 pretre wrote:
Battle Sisters get Preferred Enemy AOF, no regroup version.

Holy poop that's good. That's about equal to having prescience cast on them, or about a 30% increase in firepower. Very nice.


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quiestdeus wrote:
You can only use a unit's Act of Faith ONCE PER GAME. Not once per turn...

It makes sense. Getting some of those every turn would be stupidly powerful.

Celestine is one use only for standing up. Use her leadership for all AOF within 12". She has H&R. Her weapon is now S5 AP3, Master Crafted.

 Melissia wrote:
Wow. I take back my statement.

Wait till the book is digested by everyone. Knee jerk reactions only get us in trouble

Neural Whips are S User, AP3, and get Shred against units with Ld 8 or less.


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Blessed standard is 12" reroll morale fear and pinning.

Laud hailer is reroll AoF rolls within 12"

Simulacrum allows 2 AOF for one unit. One per phase. If you lose the Simulacrum from casualties, no more AOF for the rest of the battle.


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Litanies of Faith. Bearer and unit automatically pass Aof or War Hymns.

Cloak of StA - Reroll all failed Armour and SoF invuls
Mantle of Ophelia - Eternal Warrior

Blade of Admonition - S+2 AP3, Master Crafter
Book of St Lucius - All friendly within 12" auto pass Fear or Regroup
Sacred Banner of the order - All friendly within 12" have +1 att and reroll failed morale, fear and pinning
Mace of Valaan - S+2 AP4, Melee, Chaos-Bane, Concussive, Master Crafter, Gets fleshbane and armourbane when wielder is within 6" of one or more models wityh the Daemon Special Rule


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Eviscerator is on Melee list for 30. Power weapon for 15
Inferno Pistol on Ranged Weapon but is canoness only.
Combis are still 10
PP are still 15
Specials are 5 for Storm, 5 for Flamer, 10 for melta
Heavies are Bolter 10, Flamer 10, MM 10
Vehicles - SB 5, Dozer 5, EA 10, HK 10, Laud 10

Relics
BOSL - 5!!!
Litanies - 15
Cloak - 20
Mace - 25 (Priest only)
Mantle - 25
Blade of A - 30 (canoness only, replaces one weapon)

So all AOF are for a full game turn now at least?

Celestine big hit, ouch.

Celestine 20 point increase
Uriah 10 point increase, drop in WS/BS and Ld by 1

EBC is 3 Arcos for 30, extra arcos are 10 each. DCA or Crusader cost 5 to replace. Rhino or Immo DT. Requires a Priest to take.

Kyrinov is nowhere to be seen.


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 Shandara wrote:
So all AOF are for a full game turn now at least?

Celestine big hit, ouch.

Phase but can be used on opponent's turn.


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SCS - 50 point drop! Hospitaller costs 10, Dialogous costs 5. Dialogous can take relics. Can take standards for 15/40. Simulacrum 10. Any Celestian can take Melee, Ranged, Special or Heavy!!!


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BSS - Sups can take Melee so Eviscerators are back. 30 points.

Ug. Eviscerators are MORE expensive now?

Rhino. 5 pt increase

Immo 60 points. 20 point decrease from MM version!!! Free mult-melta, not fast or anything like that. No fire points.


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Celestians - 10 point decrease for squad, 1 decrease for each additional. 1 Special and 1 Special or heavy. Superior can take melee or ranged. Still means they have the wrong act of faith.


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Repentia, 5 pt decrease for squad. 3 pts less for each additional. May take a dedicated transport.


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Repentia do not have FNP naturally. but have SoF, fleet, rage, fearless.


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Seraphim. 5 pts decrease for base squad. Hand flamers 10 point decrease per. Inferno pistols same. Does not come with superior. Sup costs 10 points. Sup can only buy chainsword, power sword, or plasma pistol.

 pretre wrote:
Celestine 20 point increase
Uriah 10 point increase, drop in WS/BS and Ld by 1

EBC is 3 Arcos for 30, extra arcos are 10 each. DCA or Crusader cost 5 to replace. Rhino or Immo DT. Requires a Priest to take.

Kyrinov is nowhere to be seen.


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 Shandara wrote:
So all AOF are for a full game turn now at least?

Celestine big hit, ouch.

Phase but can be used on opponent's turn.


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SCS - 50 point drop! Hospitaller costs 10, Dialogous costs 5. Dialogous can take relics. Can take standards for 15/40. Simulacrum 10. Any Celestian can take Melee, Ranged, Special or Heavy!!!


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BSS - Sups can take Melee so Eviscerators are back. 30 points.

Whoa wait a sec.. it can be 10 arcos for 100? That's a huge decrease in the cost of arcos.

Dominions, 5 point decrease. 10 point vet sup. Simulacrum 10. Four dominions can take specials. No size requirement.


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Exorcist, 10 point decrease. Skyfire, Interceptor, Ignores Cover.



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Penitent Engine, 5 point decrease per. 3 attacks, no more D6+1. Rage, SoF, Unstoppable (ignore shaken and stunned). Still Open Topped.


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Rets. 5 Point decrease. 10 pts for Vet. Simulacrum for 10. four get heavies. So more expensive by 25 for 4 HB in one squad.

5 Rets - 60
Simulacrum - 10
4 HB - 40
Vet - 10
120 Yuck. They got worse for 2 AOF per game.


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Only one AoF per unit per phase. You can only use AoF if all models have AoF or War Hymns.


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3 Missions: Recover the Relics (check objectives for holy relics to get bonus VP), Defend the Shrine (defend a center thing that gives all units with AOF reroll invuls and +1 leadership), Purge the Arch Heretic (Kill Points with bonus for enemy warlord)

Apocalypse:
Purge Squadron
Repentant Host
Angelic Host

That's that. Questions?


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To all those who said 'White Dwarf cut and paste', I laugh at you. That's a lot of freaking changes.

It's going to take a while to digest everything.

Darn it, I can't download it yet over here.

Well, this bit of fanfic was burning a hole in my head, so i wrote it instead of working:

“Ma’am? Ma’am? I’m having trouble with my armature, ma’am, I can’t get the boltgun to...”

“WRONG!”

The Sister Superior’s shout boomed like a bolt exploding. All the Novices whipped their heads around to look.......

Full story at Bolter B-Word Privileges.

Yeah, definitely seems playable, just very, very different from before.

Everything reads as an alpha-strike/suicide unit to me right now... setup, then burn all your AOF in one turn and hopefully do enough damage that there is not enough left for a scary retaliation.

Just to confirm, no Faternis Militia/Zealots/Redemptionists right?



Poor zealots... I still love you.

So the list is more spammy but with far, FAR more restricted Acts of Faith.

SELL DEM MODELZ!

Jokes aside, aside from the AoF changes, I don't entirely think I object to this codex.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Just to confirm, no Faternis Militia/Zealots/Redemptionists right?

Poor zealots... I still love you.

None. My Redemptionists will continue to be allied guard.


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 Melissia wrote:
So the list is more spammy but with far, FAR more restricted Acts of Faith.

Well, maybe. You can take Litanies for 5 points on a superior and a Simulacrum. That gives you 2 autopass AOF per game. They work on enemy turn, etc.

I think they are much more reliable and strategic now.

Except for the units which appears to have the wrong act of faith for how they seem to want them to be used?

Wait...Eviscerators got worse....are they kidding me?!?!
And my Seraphim superiors with the converted pole-eviscerators are still no longer legal.

And no 2+ save....And it actually looks like that our access AP2 went down...sad.

 Melissia wrote:
Except for the units which appears to have the wrong act of faith for how they seem to want them to be used?

So the same as we already had it then?

Of course, this is why having acts of faith specific to only certain units isn't going to work when one of the acts of faith is an assault unit and we don't have any assault units.


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Also Pretre:

Any Celestian can take Melee, Ranged, Special or Heavy!!!

Explain?

That's for the Celestian Command Squad. Any member of the squad can take any Melee, Ranged, Special or Heavy from the wargear list.

so 4 Eviscerators or 4 Melta Guns or 4 Heavy Flamers.


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Holy crap. Priests are 25 pts each, don't take up a slot and are 0-5. And they give War Hymns out. And Have Zealot.

Command squad can take power weapons, whoop. And no they cant take eviscerators. Canoness and priest only.

 pretre wrote:
That's for the Celestian Command Squad. Any member of the squad can take any Melee, Ranged, Special or Heavy from the wargear list.

so 4 Eviscerators or 4 Melta Guns or 4 Heavy Flamers.

Oh.

I guess there's that. A pity that didn't apply to normal Celestians.

War Hymns is one per assault phase and can use any number of times. So for 25 points, you make any unit a tarpit (reroll saves)

Heh...remember the Chapter Approved days when everybody had a priest? I'm glad that I still have a good amount of them?

 pretre wrote:
War Hymns is one per assault phase and can use any number of times. So for 25 points, you make any unit a tarpit (reroll saves)

I guess they had a lot of extra Priest models to sell.

Zealot is Fearless and Hatred. Holy crap. Priests are so good now.

So..penitant engines are still 100% garbage? :(

I really cannot complain about anything in this book so far. It is just good.


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RoninXiC wrote:
So..penitant engines are still 100% garbage? :(

That is all they have ever been. So yes.