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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Uh, Zion? That's the heavy flamer variant of the Tauros. You just need to replace the crew with Sisters (which, owing to power armour, is a little less silly than flak-armoured Elysians with a flamer buggy... although at least the tauros heavy flamer pivots).

The Tauros Venator would have to be the chassis used for the hypothetical 'transport buggy' - after all, it's canon that removing a set of twin-linked lascannon power capacitors frees up enough space for 2.5 power armoured bodies.

Fair enough. I don't play Elysians so that's my bad. So non-TL heavies on the Tauros and TL ones on the Venator.


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Lynata: You mean our "Relic Blades".

Seriously I liked the idea but Blessed Weapons need an additional "trick" to make them different than your bog standard Relic Blade.

Hmm... for a troop transport, it's a bit limited. 4 Sisters? Seems that you'd be better off with a Rhino, both in fluff and crunch. More bang for the buck.

The Venator still suggests "IG" too strongly to me. It needs more bodypanels for armor and Ecclesiarchal bling. Those side panels should angle downwards to cover at least the top half of the rear wheels, and bear golden aquilas or fleur de lis. Also needs some laud-hailers. And some incense-spewing Smoke Launchers. A cherub-servitor on the dash.

Turret also needs to be, like, a pulpit, or a command throne (like what Karamazov stomps around on). Needs to be semi-enclosed, with heavy bolter, storm bolter or twin-linked flamer or multi-melta, depending on the specific application for the vehicle (anti-infantry or anti-vehicle).

 Psienesis wrote:
Hmm... for a troop transport, it's a bit limited. 4 Sisters? Seems that you'd be better off with a Rhino, both in fluff and crunch. More bang for the buck.

The Venator still suggests "IG" too strongly to me. It needs more bodypanels for armor and Ecclesiarchal bling. Those side panels should angle downwards to cover at least the top half of the rear wheels, and bear golden aquilas or fleur de lis. Also needs some laud-hailers. And some incense-spewing Smoke Launchers. A cherub-servitor on the dash.

Turret also needs to be, like, a pulpit, or a command throne (like what Karamazov stomps around on). Needs to be semi-enclosed, with heavy bolter, storm bolter or twin-linked flamer or multi-melta, depending on the specific application for the vehicle (anti-infantry or anti-vehicle).

You forgot the loading servitors, the incense cherubs and all the purity seals, scrolls, scroll-work and and decorative paneling.

That goes without saying!

There shall also be a placard upon the rear bumper, reading (in High Gothic): "I Don't Brake for Heretics".... and a series of red tick-marks along the front left (or right, depending on where you put the driver's seat) representing heretics run over.

Psienesis wrote:Hmm... for a troop transport, it's a bit limited. 4 Sisters? Seems that you'd be better off with a Rhino, both in fluff and crunch. More bang for the buck.

Well, 5, if you count the driver - the scout car likely is a good deal faster, and its small size is another advantage.

Psienesis wrote:The Venator still suggests "IG" too strongly to me. It needs more bodypanels for armor and Ecclesiarchal bling. Those side panels should angle downwards to cover at least the top half of the rear wheels, and bear golden aquilas or fleur de lis. Also needs some laud-hailers. And some incense-spewing Smoke Launchers. A cherub-servitor on the dash.

I like a bit of IG. To me, the Sisters are smack in the middle between "practical" and "decorative". Just look at their body armour.

Personally, I wouldn't want them to become some sort of weird Space Circus that sports silly stuff everywhere just because they can - let's leave that to the rest of the Ecclesiarchy. Just like the Knights Templar of our actual history, Sisters are also soldiers, so a balance needs to be found. In case of the scout car, I'd have some religious scripture carved into the plating, and have it bear the sigil of the Sisterhood, done. It shouldn't have laud hailers because this vehicle, unlike an Immolator or a Rhino, isn't intended to slowly cruise through the landscape in a sort of cleansing procession - it's a fast transport meant to get troops quickly from A to B, preferrably unnoticed if it's a squad of flanking Dominions preparing a trap for the enemy. And why the Cherub?
Extending the side panels to cover the wheels is an excellent idea, though.

Also, just because I can - once more the Sororitas Valkyrie from DoW Soulstorm:


[edit] agreed about the blood marks, though

My thing with the Cherubs is actually because one of the members of my DH group finds them to be the most repulsive, creepy aspects of absolutely everything else in 40K.

Tyranids, Chaos, Dark Eldar... you name it, he shrugs it off, no big deal.

Mention Cherubs? He visibly shudders.

Now, as far as the bling goes... well, traditionally, all the Sisters vehicles have always been kind of (or extremely) blinged out, from the Exorcists to the Immolators to our gold-aquila'd and gold-fleur'd Rhinos, and I think having fully-functional but visually-impractical military hardware really grabs that Gothic-SciFi feel.

Especially in modern 40K, very few army units are really sticking with that baroque, gothic look and feel. SM are becoming mostly all round-shouldered, smooth-bodied PA, the IG is very modern-military looking and the Xenos don't count because they're Xenos and don't follow Imperial art direction. So, really, we're left with some models in CSM and Daemons, GK and the Sisters carrying the torch for the gothic aesthetics of 40K.

I had a crazy idea while painting some orks, probably not feasible, but might be cool:

Weapons of Faith; that is, weapons that function like force weapons, but with Faith points instead.

And I wouldn't mind a flyer in in our FA slot, either. Our HS slot is kinda full with two of our best units, so kinda hard to bring the Avenger.

 Lynata wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't want them to become some sort of weird Space Circus that sports silly stuff everywhere just because they can - let's leave that to the rest of the Ecclesiarchy. Just like the Knights Templar of our actual history, Sisters are also soldiers, so a balance needs to be found...

Yes, this. Exalted. The ironic thing is that, in the context of the rest of the Ecclesiarchy -- Confessors, Priests, Frateris -- the Sisters are actually the sober, rational ones.

I always thought the Sisters got short shrift with the 6e Deny the Witch. I used to be an effect particular tot eh SoB and is now shared by all comers. Plus the psykers can provide bonuses. Keeping in the same vein - +1 to DtW for Superiors, +2 for Canoness and ICs, +3 for Living Saints.

I like the idea of making the Hospitaler more flexible. Perhaps move the Hospitaler and Dialogus from command squad only to limited non-FOC characters (like the priests.)

Definitely bring back the frateris! Perhaps unlocked by taking a priest/confessor. Nothing like rousing the natives to root out the source of the problem and soften things up a bit.

Bring on the quads (Tauros) as a FA choice. 1-5 per squad. I can just envision a squad running across an enemy line, letting the promethium flow.

 SisterSydney wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't want them to become some sort of weird Space Circus that sports silly stuff everywhere just because they can - let's leave that to the rest of the Ecclesiarchy. Just like the Knights Templar of our actual history, Sisters are also soldiers, so a balance needs to be found...

Yes, this. Exalted. The ironic thing is that, in the context of the rest of the Ecclesiarchy -- Confessors, Priests, Frateris -- the Sisters are actually the sober, rational ones.

Well, as sober and rational as a nun in a power-armor corset with a pair of skulls and/or fleur de lis on her boobs is, toting a pistol that looks like a cross between a musket and a torch that shoots a mixture of a fission reaction and fire.

.... oh, and who might also perform intense combat actions in heels. I guess that is exceptionally hard-core, though, now that I think about it.

Yes, exactly. They're so out there even genetically engineered freak Space Marines wearing armor painted bright primary colors think they're a bit much, and they're still the calm and rational ones compared to the rest of the Ecclesiarchy.

Psienesis wrote:Tyranids, Chaos, Dark Eldar... you name it, he shrugs it off, no big deal.
Mention Cherubs? He visibly shudders.

I think I can relate.
People got jaded due to all the horror movies they've seen. Aliens, daemons and evil elves are "normal" now, but lobotomised cyborg babies? That's something else.

Psienesis wrote:Now, as far as the bling goes... well, traditionally, all the Sisters vehicles have always been kind of (or extremely) blinged out, from the Exorcists to the Immolators to our gold-aquila'd and gold-fleur'd Rhinos, and I think having fully-functional but visually-impractical military hardware really grabs that Gothic-SciFi feel.

Hm, I don't perceive them to be impractically blinged out. The Exorcist, okay - though that one is even described as a rolling shrine (which means it stands out as special even by its description). But everything else? Nah.

Psienesis wrote:Especially in modern 40K, very few army units are really sticking with that baroque, gothic look and feel. SM are becoming mostly all round-shouldered, smooth-bodied PA, the IG is very modern-military looking and the Xenos don't count because they're Xenos and don't follow Imperial art direction. So, really, we're left with some models in CSM and Daemons, GK and the Sisters carrying the torch for the gothic aesthetics of 40K.

Naaw, it's not that bad. There was a push to make Marines less smooth (see Ultramarines Greek helmets, or BT chains, or BA Sanguinary Guards), and don't forget regiments like the Vostroyans.

Hoitash wrote:Weapons of Faith; that is, weapons that function like force weapons, but with Faith points instead.

Mhm, but we already have an Act of Faith that increases melee combat prowess.

Psienesis wrote:toting a pistol that looks like a cross between a musket and a torch that shoots a mixture of a fission reaction and fire.
.... oh, and who might also perform intense combat actions in heels. I guess that is exceptionally hard-core, though, now that I think about it.

Aren't you confusing the SoB with an Inquisitor now?
The Canoness has neither heels, nor a musket gun. In fact, the SoB version of the Inferno Pistol looks rather plain:

I highly dislike any realism or useful vehicular transport.

Sisters armies should be all about screaming hordes of fanatics, nuns with big guns, hulking monstrosities with penitents strapped to them and a mobile fk-off cathedral fortress tank.

Eh, I dunno. I mean, sure, a lot of the Priests and such we see in the fluff is some serious fire-and-brimstone Pentecostal screamers and the like, but those characters stand out because they're exceptional... or, at least, unusual

Who wants to read about a priest or confessor that's faithful and firm, but doesn't get into screaming tirades and just goes about his job like a pro?

Just saying that I think the "calm and rational" aspects of the Sisters is very much comparative. I don't see them being "calm and rational" when confronted with heresy, blasphemy or other enemies of the God-Emperor. Then I think we see a whole lot of fury, fire, and righteous condemnation.

I think it also has to do with how they spend their non-combat hours. Even the Orders Militant are reclusive orders, they aren't expected to be preachers, rabble-rousers or orators in the same manner that Priests and Confessors are. So, sure, they spend a large amount of their time in prayer, meditation, fasting, corporal mortifaction and other rites and rituals of religious observance, so they're not screaming things from the pulpit or the street-corner... but I think their "calm and rational" reputation extends more from the fact that most people never see the more out-there (by our reckoning) stuff that they do.

Oh, no, I think it is also because the Sisters are living in a strictly ordered society where everything they do is regulated. Priests get to scream and yell a lot, so that's how they get used to their job.

Psienesis wrote:I don't see them being "calm and rational" when confronted with heresy, blasphemy or other enemies of the God-Emperor. Then I think we see a whole lot of fury, fire, and righteous condemnation.

But tempered by a professional military training and devotion to their officers. When the Canoness says "jump", you ask "how high, mistress?". Regardless of whether you're Seraphim or not.

 Psienesis wrote:
I don't see them being "calm and rational" when confronted with heresy, blasphemy or other enemies of the God-Emperor. Then I think we see a whole lot of fury, fire, and righteous condemnation.

Sure, but at the same time, they are also elite, professional soldiers too. Military drill is as much their daily life as prayer, after all.

This is an interesting issue with the Sisters, the balance of their righteous fury to their cool, ordered soldiering. Personally, I think it's a good mix of the two. To use your example, they would be furious if they came across some heretics, but they would also be covering each other, checking their surroundings and other tactical things like that. They are zealots, no doubt, but they're elite soldiers too. They don't just charge in recklessly, blinded by their fury.

That's what we have the Frateris Militia for.

(well, or the Repentias )

I find it a little odd you guys were talking about the aesthetic of the current sisters of battle. These days GW seems to go for an athletic look on their women which doesn't really emphasize boobs so much. In fact maybe it's odd but I find GW proportions to be more modest and than a lot of other gamer related material.

Also is it possible that the armor looking like it's being worn by excessively skinny girls be more a problem with the artist not thinking about that problem? I mean I think they were trying to make the armor look more feminine it's just they made it seem dumb in theory. Least it isn't a landraider being dropped out of the freaking sky. That's why i'm going more with "it's a mistake of the art team for not thinking things through" or possibly "they knew but making sisters look chunky didn't sit well with everybody". Chunky sisters would actually probably look more awkward than what we have now though.

As far as aesthetics goes this is one of many things I love about warhammer fantasy over 40k. For fantasy most models go from about average (dragon ogres) to fantastic (coven throne) whereas with 40k you go from awful (dreadknight) to fantastic (dark eldar in general).

So yeah I hope that sisters can remain feminine looking without becoming totally gender neutral when you look at them. Then again that nun on a motorcycle looked pretty cool so that might be nice on a model for sisters.

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If we're talking models I don't really get a sniper vibe off sisters of battle. They seem more "In Your Face!" and crazy than sisters would normally be. Then again orks do have kommandos. I guess I could imagine a covert team though it'd be unlikely but sniper sisters would be hard to imagine for me.

I still think sisters could use another melee intensive unit or at least give repentia more melee weapons. I'm also unsure where the arco-flagellants fit here. Was that sisters or inquisition or a little of both? I mean I know they're more heretics but if we're throwing out ideas for zealot mobs then I think you'd count them too.

Meh I don't know enough about sisters. They have potential though for great looking models. A lot of factions do until they are ruined spectacularly by some design team.

flamingkillamajig wrote:I find it a little odd you guys were talking about the aesthetic of the current sisters of battle. These days GW seems to go for an athletic look on their women which doesn't really emphasize boobs so much. In fact maybe it's odd but I find GW proportions to be more modest and than a lot of other gamer related material.
Also is it possible that the armor looking like it's being worn by excessively skinny girls be more a problem with the artist not thinking about that problem? I mean I think they were trying to make the armor look more feminine it's just they made it seem dumb in theory.

Oh, I think we're all (well, the ones posting in this thread, anyways) okay with the "boob plate", if that's what you mean. We were just discussing at which level of "pragmatism vs bling" they would clock in, and I for one don't see them go all out on the latter.

As for the minis and the art, I'm actually 100% satisfied with their current looks. Really, the only thing that doesn't quite do them justice is the 2E Codex cover, and that's just because it was Blanche, who has a fairly "unique" art style regardless of whether he's drawing men or women. The breasts on some few of the minis such as the Canoness or the Repentia Mistress look a tad oversized and pointy, but I do believe this was deemed a necessary element to emphasise their femininity, and if these figures would be scaled up the breast size would drop in ratio - at least somewhat.

And as for their physical properties, I think artists like Andrea Uderzo did a splendid job at drawing them in a physically realistic manner.


(one of my fav SoB pics ever )

Agreed about the aesthetics, too, by the way. I feel the same way. It's nice to have a range, yet everything still seems to fit together!

flamingkillamajig wrote:I guess I could imagine a covert team though it'd be unlikely but sniper sisters would be hard to imagine for me.

Yeah, that's what you have Assassins for. Sisters are fairly straight-forward and aggressive - just not mindlessly so. Flanking Dominions are probably the most one could hope for in that department - a small squad of specialists capable of sneaking up on an enemy group or laying traps. Maybe Sister Martika was a Dominion? She seemed pretty skilled at infiltrating an Ork encampment. It's a cool story, go read it if you don't know it already!

flamingkillamajig wrote:I'm also unsure where the arco-flagellants fit here. Was that sisters or inquisition or a little of both?

Arco-Flagellants, like Penitent Engines, are an Ecclesiarchy thing. The Church occasionally lends them to the Sisters of Battle (as those are essentially their army) as well as the Inquisition, on a case-by-case basis. The old Inquisitor RPG website has some cool fluff about them, if you're interested:

"[...] Arco-flagellants are normally used by the Ecclesiarchy's fighting forces in suicide attack units. However, an Inquisitor can request (or demand if they are confident enough) that a Cardinal turn over an Arco-flagellant or two to their authority. As the Ministorum holds those Inquisitors who possess a more radical turn of mind in some suspicion, it is usually the more puritan and outwardly pious agents of the Inquisition who will be able to include them as part of their warrior band. [...]"
http://web.archive.org/web/20071024041945/http://es.games-workshop.com/especialista/inquisitor/bestiario/arcoflagellants.html

 Lynata wrote:

flamingkillamajig wrote:I find it a little odd you guys were talking about the aesthetic of the current sisters of battle. These days GW seems to go for an athletic look on their women which doesn't really emphasize boobs so much. In fact maybe it's odd but I find GW proportions to be more modest and than a lot of other gamer related material.
Also is it possible that the armor looking like it's being worn by excessively skinny girls be more a problem with the artist not thinking about that problem? I mean I think they were trying to make the armor look more feminine it's just they made it seem dumb in theory.

Oh, I think we're all (well, the ones posting in this thread, anyways) okay with the "boob plate", if that's what you mean. ..... The breasts on some few of the minis such as the Canoness or the Repentia Mistress look a tad oversized and pointy, but I do believe this was deemed a necessary element to emphasise their femininity, and if these figures would be scaled up the breast size would drop in ratio - at least somewhat.

[Headcanon]The "boob plate" is in fact purely decorative, like the rippling muscles on a Roman general's ceremonial breastplate, a deliberate exaggeration of the Sister's femininity so that outsiders can see at once "that's not a Marine, that's a Sister!" because the Sororitas really, really, really do not want to be mistaken for those steroidal freak Astartes. The Sister's actual breasts are safely strapped down in a kind of sarashi arrangement, they're not inside the bulges on the armor.
In fact, nothing is inside the bulges: They're hollow and designed to crumple on impact so they don't form a shot trap between the breasts. The actual power armor is perfectly flat: the boobplate is just another surface decoration, like the fleur-de-lis and skulls.[/headcanon]

Speaking of wishlisting I was inspired by out little back and forths of ideas to write a short article about homebrew:

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/10/lets-talk-homebrew.html

PS:

 Lynata wrote:

flamingkillamajig wrote:I'm also unsure where the arco-flagellants fit here. Was that sisters or inquisition or a little of both?

Arco-Flagellants, like Penitent Engines, are an Ecclesiarchy thing. The Church occasionally lends them to the Sisters of Battle (as those are essentially their army) as well as the Inquisition, on a case-by-case basis. The old Inquisitor RPG website has some cool fluff about them, if you're interested:

"[...] Arco-flagellants are normally used by the Ecclesiarchy's fighting forces in suicide attack units. However, an Inquisitor can request (or demand if they are confident enough) that a Cardinal turn over an Arco-flagellant or two to their authority. As the Ministorum holds those Inquisitors who possess a more radical turn of mind in some suspicion, it is usually the more puritan and outwardly pious agents of the Inquisition who will be able to include them as part of their warrior band. [...]"
http://web.archive.org/web/20071024041945/http://es.games-workshop.com/especialista/inquisitor/bestiario/arcoflagellants.html

My attempt to rewrite Arco-Flagellants for 6th Edition as an actual squad, not just part of a Conclave/Warband, is here -- comments & critiques are more than welcome.

SisterSydney wrote:[Headcanon]The "boob plate" is in fact purely decorative, like the rippling muscles on a Roman general's ceremonial breastplate, a deliberate exaggeration of the Sister's femininity so that outsiders can see at once "that's not a Marine, that's a Sister!" because the Sororitas really, really, really do not want to be mistaken for those steroidal freak Astartes. The Sister's actual breasts are safely strapped down in a kind of sarashi arrangement, they're not inside the bulges on the armor.
In fact, nothing is inside the bulges: They're hollow and designed to crumple on impact so they don't form a shot trap between the breasts. The actual power armor is perfectly flat: the boobplate is just another surface decoration, like the fleur-de-lis and skulls.[/headcanon]

Heh, I guess I'm halfway where you are. Yes, I too see them as a deliberate exaggeration, and am considering that it might have been the idea of High Lord Vandire, who was responsible for transforming the backwater cult on San Leor into a superbly equipped bodyguard and enforcement detail. We can probably assume that he was a bit of a pervert as Codex fluff not only mentions that he had the Brides of the Emperor act as companions and had them "entertain him with singing, dancing, and other, more exotic, skills." Uh-oh.
So it's either that, or it was the Ecclesiarchy ordering this to be considered in the design because they wanted to make it clear that their little army isn't men under arms (Ministorum = trolls). Or perhaps it was a bit of both.

I don't think they specifically need to tie their breasts down, though, or that they even have a special piece of clothing for it. Powered armour is carried above a suit of electrically motivated fibres, and this suit alone would already limit the, uh, expansion of their bodies a bit.

Fremen suits may be a good comparison to exemplify what I mean, as they are of a similarly "piped/padded" construction (actually visible on the SoB minis too if you look closely on their legs):


I've never bought into the whole "bullet trap" theory, though. For several reasons:
- bolt shells are armour piercing, and thus react differently to sloped surfaces. plus, they will detonate anyways as soon as the microsecond fuse is triggered
- same goes for armour-piercing autogun rounds
- non-AP autogun ammo probably has little chance to punch through the ceramite
- las rounds do not ricochet .. in fact, a sloped surface will cause the beam to affect a larger area of the armour, thus dissipate more energy and cause less damage (boob armour actually has advantages!)
- but lastly ... look between the breasts of a Sister - that area isn't just empty, but rather occupied by the lower half of the respirator apparatus, and a fairly large/thick Ecclesiarchal icon
- bonus excuse: if all else fails, it could always be assumed that such weak spots are reinforced

It does make me wonder if the "breast bowls" might not indeed be used for something else, though, if a Sister's own body does not fill them, or at least not fill them to their entirety. Electronics, perhaps? Drug compartment for painkillers? Marine armour is so huge partially because all this stuff is stored in-between the armour plating and the undersuit ... maybe for the Sisters they preserve a smaller profile because their gadgets are localised in the breasts? Crazy-sounding theory, I know. But still ...

 Lynata wrote:

SisterSydney wrote:[Headcanon]The "boob plate" is in fact purely decorative, like the rippling muscles on a Roman general's ceremonial breastplate, a deliberate exaggeration of the Sister's femininity so that outsiders can see at once "that's not a Marine, that's a Sister!" because the Sororitas really, really, really do not want to be mistaken for those steroidal freak Astartes. The Sister's actual breasts are safely strapped down in a kind of sarashi arrangement, they're not inside the bulges on the armor.
In fact, nothing is inside the bulges: They're hollow and designed to crumple on impact so they don't form a shot trap between the breasts. The actual power armor is perfectly flat: the boobplate is just another surface decoration, like the fleur-de-lis and skulls.[/headcanon]

Heh, I guess I'm halfway where you are. Yes, I too see them as a deliberate exaggeration, and am considering that it might have been the idea of High Lord Vandire, who was responsible for transforming the backwater cult on San Leor into a superbly equipped bodyguard and enforcement detail. We can probably assume that he was a bit of a pervert as Codex fluff not only mentions that he had the Brides of the Emperor act as companions and had them "entertain him with singing, dancing, and other, more exotic, skills." Uh-oh.
So it's either that, or it was the Ecclesiarchy ordering this to be considered in the design because they wanted to make it clear that their little army isn't men under arms (Ministorum = trolls). Or perhaps it was a bit of both.

That's not so bad as what I heard GW did with beastmen back before it was completely family oriented. I heard the original beastmen origin story had beastmen being born from bestiality.

I love some of the bits of humor you see in the skaven stories and other stories sometimes. It'd be nice if more people enjoyed warhammer fantasy. I mean the empire has pidgeon bombs! Pidgeon bombs!!! Then you have like a special character that is half mad and insane that actually has a special result on a dice roll that gives enemies hatred towards just the character. Something about him insulting their looks and grooming habits. I love how eccentric some of the empire stuff is.



Skaven have a good couple bits of humor with them supposedly using information of empire leaders having 'affairs' with ones they shouldn't in order to de-stabilize the empire. Dude warhammer fantasy can be hilarious sometimes. You guys should seriously give some of the stuff a read.

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On the matter of the boob compartment some women supposedly but keepsakes in cleavage. Of course this is like a thing you hear about in old tv and such like keeping money safe under your mattress or keeping a picture in front of a safe. I don't think too many actually do some of this.

Many skirts do not have pockets.

A bra is, for some items, a suitable alternative if you do not wish, or are unable to carry a bag. Not so much keepsakes, necessarily, but mobile phones and the like...


I like the idea of them being storage compartments though. Nobody in 40k has sufficient storage on their models.

 Lynata wrote:
Yes, I too see them as a deliberate exaggeration, and am considering that it might have been the idea of High Lord Vandire, who was responsible for transforming the backwater cult on San Leor into a superbly equipped bodyguard and enforcement detail. We can probably assume that he was a bit of a pervert as Codex fluff not only mentions that he had the Brides of the Emperor act as companions and had them "entertain him with singing, dancing, and other, more exotic, skills." Uh-oh.
So it's either that, or it was the Ecclesiarchy ordering this to be considered in the design because they wanted to make it clear that their little army isn't men under arms (Ministorum = trolls). Or perhaps it was a bit of both.

Considering that the Sisterhood sends its Repentia into battle wearing, um, provocative garments -- even the models are a bit skimpy, let alone the artwork, which suggests they have managed to weaponize nudity-- I think it's clear that someone influential in the early days of the Adepta Sororitas had a strong appreciation for the power of the female form to distract and disconcert a male opponent.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I love some of the bits of humor you see in the skaven stories and other stories sometimes.....Skaven have a good couple bits of humor with them supposedly using information of empire leaders having 'affairs' with ones they shouldn't in order to de-stabilize the empire. Dude warhammer fantasy can be hilarious sometimes. You guys should seriously give some of the stuff a read.

I and others have been valiantly laboring to make 40K funnier in this thread: 1,001 Sisters of Battle jokes. Seriously, take a look.

SisterSydney wrote:Considering that the Sisterhood sends its Repentia into battle wearing, um, provocative garments -- even the models are a bit skimpy, let alone the artwork, which suggests they have managed to weaponize nudity-- I think it's clear that someone influential in the early days of the Adepta Sororitas had a strong appreciation for the power of the female form to distract and disconcert a male opponent.

You know, that reminds me of a story I read about how a single Sister wiped out an entire Dark Eldar raiding party. Girl got sainted for that.

Sounds fun. Source, Lyn?

I haven't been able to source it yet, so take it with a grain of salt - it may well be fanfiction.
That being said, it was included in the huge SoB fluff bible file that was passed around in the old yahoo group, and in the past couple years I managed to find studio sources for the majority of its contents and claims...

It was an interesting piece about a lone shrine at some village on an agri-world with just an aging Superior and a young Sister serving as guardians. Dark Eldar raiding party shows up, people panick, young Sister realises that next to no one (including the old Superior) is capable of mounting resistance, so she asks them to leave, then goes to take the relic from the shrine, and finally puts on one of the most revealing dresses from the village girls and waits for the DE to arrive.
Next scene is a scouting party of some Space Marines (I think it was White Scars, not sure) pursueing the Dark Eldar convoy and tracking it as it moves to the next town, relaying positions and preparing to attack. Suddenly they spot weapons fire on the middle vehicle, and a moment later the entire convoy vanishes in a glowing black orb.

Twist: the relic was a vortex grenade.

 SisterSydney wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Yes, I too see them as a deliberate exaggeration, and am considering that it might have been the idea of High Lord Vandire, who was responsible for transforming the backwater cult on San Leor into a superbly equipped bodyguard and enforcement detail. We can probably assume that he was a bit of a pervert as Codex fluff not only mentions that he had the Brides of the Emperor act as companions and had them "entertain him with singing, dancing, and other, more exotic, skills." Uh-oh.
So it's either that, or it was the Ecclesiarchy ordering this to be considered in the design because they wanted to make it clear that their little army isn't men under arms (Ministorum = trolls). Or perhaps it was a bit of both.

Considering that the Sisterhood sends its Repentia into battle wearing, um, provocative garments -- even the models are a bit skimpy, let alone the artwork, which suggests they have managed to weaponize nudity-- I think it's clear that someone influential in the early days of the Adepta Sororitas had a strong appreciation for the power of the female form to distract and disconcert a male opponent.

Uh... I like to think that the Sisters have something useful in those breastplates. Extra sensors/armor and such.