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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Out of curiosity, can you play as a member of the Divisio Biologis, or can you only go machine cult? I suppose it depends on how you play it, but is there Biologis friendly gear?

Biologis are still machine cult. :p

Techpriest is a generic Skilled class with cybernetic bonuses. Which skills (tech, bio, shooting, whatever) you pick up then decides your divisio.

What do you call the branch that everyone knows of then? The machine obsessed ones?

Again, they're all machine obsessed. I believe the ones who maintain vehicles are Magos Fabricatus, but it's possibly I pulled that out of my backside. The Machine Cult is the low gothic name for the Adeptus Mechanicus, like the Ecclesiarchy is the low gothic name for the Adeptus Ministorum. All techpriests - whether biologists, xenologists, mechanics, astronomers - worship the divine machine.

 AlexHolker wrote:
I don't think the Sisters should get proper field mechanics. The Rhino chassis is apparently easy to keep running in the field - as shown by the Repair special rule - so the focus should be on keeping them in working order between visits to the tech priests.

On the subject of Rhinos, one of my additions would be a command pulpit, allowing a Rhino to be upgraded with an additional transport slot and fire point, so that it can carry a ten woman squad plus an IC.

Or they could just put the minimum squad size back at 5, where it belongs for elite troops like Tac Marines and Battle Sisters, and then you could fit 5+IC into an Immolator or 9+IC into a Rhino, or all sorts of crazy things, especially if you make Hospitaller and Dialogus available as upgrades to any squad, like the Imagifer. (My fandex in process does this). And you wouldn't have to kitbash a Rhino or anything, just use the models you have.

Muddypaw wrote:Inferno was a monthly (or bi? Been a while) magazine with short stories, fluff and background pieces and comic strips. It was varied but there were some real gems in there. Redeemer was originally published in Warhammer Monthly before being re-printed as a standalone book.
Gosh I miss those experimental days.

Gotcha!
Wow, I wish GW would bring those two magazines back. And the oldschool White Dwarf...

Pendix wrote:Issue 12 actually has a good short story featuring a Sister & a Space Marine. It's called 'Daemonblood' by Ben Counter, and I'd heartily recommend it . . . if I knew any way for people to read it.

Troike wrote:Daemonblood is included in the Black Library book "Let the Galaxy Burn", which is a collection of lots of short stories. I guess you could find it on the BL website. And yes, I'd recommend it. Cool plot, and a writer who actually understands the Sisters.

I know it from the "Dark Imperium" anthology. It's an excellent read. One of the best, even.

Melissia wrote:Perhaps add another non-militant order, intent on gaining new technology for the Ecclesiarchy and general Imperial use, bartering these new techs for more and more concessions from the Mechanicus?

One could even theorise the Orders Pronatus do this already, depending on how you interpret the range of those "item":

"The Orders Pronatus specialise in retrieving, guarding, studying and repairing artefacts of value to the Ecclesiarchy. This includes the uncounted thousands of holy relics revered by the peoples of the Imperium, but it also relates to items captured by the forces of the Imperium that are considered too powerful or significant to be allowed to fall into enemy hands."

Melissia wrote:I think a Machine Sister, as it were, could work if it was indicated to be something independent of the Machine Cult.

AlexHolker wrote:I don't think the Sisters should get proper field mechanics. The Rhino chassis is apparently easy to keep running in the field - as shown by the Repair special rule - so the focus should be on keeping them in working order between visits to the tech priests.

Both these options seem too extreme for me, and I prefer the middle way. Neither should the Sisters be the only one faction in the entire Imperium completely independent from AdMech teachings, nor should their personnel have so little technical knowledge that it necessitates "regular visits from the Techpriests" - something that might already be impractical simply due to the isolation of its convents and the "no men allowed!" thing, but also the increased political power it would grant to the Mechanicus over the Ministorum. They already have the option to pull the plug on equipment manufacture (save for the items and vehicles produced on Ophelia VII itself), but a monopoly on repairs would cripple the Orders Militant .. at least the Major ones who are basically jumping from one crusade to another, and surely suffer a lot of mechanical attrition.

Furyou Miko wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:What do you call the branch that everyone knows of then? The machine obsessed ones?

Again, they're all machine obsessed. I believe the ones who maintain vehicles are Magos Fabricatus, but it's possibly I pulled that out of my backside. The Machine Cult is the low gothic name for the Adeptus Mechanicus, like the Ecclesiarchy is the low gothic name for the Adeptus Ministorum. All techpriests - whether biologists, xenologists, mechanics, astronomers - worship the divine machine.

Perhaps this helps - a page from the old Codex Imperialis that details the inner workings of the AdMech.


Take it with a grain of salt, though - FFG likes to go their own ways with such details of fluff, so it may well be that it works differently in Dark Heresy.

Codex Imperialis is an excellent book, by the way. It's old (2E), but contains tons of cool fluff about any organisation of the Imperium, including even the lesser featured departments such as the Arbites or the Telepathica. Also, at least in GW's own fluff, the amount of retcons is not as big as commonly believed (thanks to various deviating outsourced products such as BL novels etc). I think the "Engineers" did get renamed into "Enginseers", though, as one of the writers got that (rather excellent) idea.

The Mechanicum is pretty much a religion in its own right... That makes it hard to believe the SoB would desire a Techpriest present or pursue that knowledge except out of necessity. It's why I liked my idea for machine maidens, where the knowledge exists amongst this small cadre but where no one member knows so much as to be corrupted or influenced by the Mechanicum.

Imagine rebuilding an engine, one member knows the order pieces come off and go back on... but beyond that the others simply work on small sections without necessarily understanding the whole.

 aka_mythos wrote:
The Mechanicum is pretty much a religion in its own right... That makes it hard to believe the SoB would desire a Techpriest present or pursue that knowledge except out of necessity. It's why I liked my idea for machine maidens, where the knowledge exists amongst this small cadre but where no one member knows so much as to be corrupted or influenced by the Mechanicum.

Imagine rebuilding an engine, one member knows the order pieces come off and go back on... but beyond that the others simply work on small sections without necessarily understanding the whole.

there is a significant portion of the Mechanicum who see the Omnissaih and the Emperor as being one and the same being and even worship the Emperor as a god. That's good enough for me.

The problem is the inverse isn't necessarily true. The SoB don't necessarily see the competing Imperial religion and view of the Emperor as an acceptable one. It's the Ecclisiarchy and the SoB who would decide if its acceptable. The Mechanicum's view of the Emperor could be argued as a reconciled version of their dogma to make them more palatable to the part of the Imperium that might otherwise want them purged for heresy, but it doesn't mean those two sides are friendly.

 aka_mythos wrote:
The problem is the inverse isn't necessarily true. The SoB don't necessarily see the competing Imperial religion and view of the Emperor as an acceptable one. It's the Ecclisiarchy and the SoB who would decide if its acceptable. The Mechanicum's view of the Emperor could be argued as a reconciled version of their dogma to make them more palatable to the part of the Imperium that might otherwise want them purged for heresy, but it doesn't mean those two sides are friendly.

*ahem* WRONG. */Lex Luthor*

The Imperial Cult accepts ALL viewpoints that venerate the Emperor as God. It's a key tenant of their faith.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
The problem is the inverse isn't necessarily true. The SoB don't necessarily see the competing Imperial religion and view of the Emperor as an acceptable one. It's the Ecclisiarchy and the SoB who would decide if its acceptable. The Mechanicum's view of the Emperor could be argued as a reconciled version of their dogma to make them more palatable to the part of the Imperium that might otherwise want them purged for heresy, but it doesn't mean those two sides are friendly.

*ahem* WRONG. */Lex Luthor*

The Imperial Cult accepts ALL viewpoints that venerate the Emperor as God. It's a key tenant of their faith.

Not entirely true...

There's a fact called the "Temple Tendency," iirc, who are more or less the Ministorium's rivals. They are remnants of the Imperial Church headed by Vandire, before he was ousted by Thor and his Confederation of Light.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Temple_Tendency#.UlGr7lBkPdA

Granted, they are only in the Dark Heresy RPG, so YMMV

I like this concept. It's very reminiscent of the religious rivalries of the 16th century.

Vandire wasn't "ousted" by anyone though. He was in charge of the Ministranium up until he was beheaded. Thor was only put in charge afterwards and the Conderation of Light was a giant "F-You" mob who was against Vandire.

So yeah, not counting that one.

The Imperial Cult absorbs or destroys other religions. They never get to exist long enough to really be rivals.

So uh according to Cruddace the new Adeptas Sororitas codex (our new official name) will only have points costs tweaks and no real overhaul of the way they play, boo hiss.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So uh according to Cruddace the new Adeptas Sororitas codex (our new official name) will only have points costs tweaks and no real overhaul of the way they play, boo hiss.

So uh, you're a few days late and behind on the information we have. Here's what you missed:

 Troike wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
anyone have a summary of the more reliable rumors we've heard thus far about the new codex?

- Warlord Traits
- Relics
- Altar of War
- Faith has been "looked at" in response to the scaling issue
- 'Minor' point tweaks
- Will probably get a physical release if it sells well enough
- Released on 19th, preordering and a preview on the 12th
- New artwork
- New fluff

That's everything from our reliable sources, as far as I can tell. Here's the sources all in one place, though:

- White Dwarf mention

Spoiler:

- evildrcheese's talk with Robin Cruddace:

evildrcheese wrote:Spoke to Cruddence @ Games Day re SoB asking if the digital version is his WD dex. He confirmed it is, hes been involved in the writing of the warlord traits was the impression I got. He also told me they'velooked at the scaling issue for faith points and that there's been 'minor' point tweaks. Release date is for next month (October). Interestingly he said it'll probably be treat like a supplement in that if it sells well as a digital it's probably get a physical release. Spoke to someone from the digital editions stand and they confirmed it'll be for Android aswell as Ipad.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/420/554140.page#6097666

- Games Workshop Digital Editions Facebook page:

Games Workshop: Digital Editions wrote:It's certainly based on the White Dwarf Sisters of Battle Codex, but with new additions to bring it in line with the new books. Things like Warlords table, new Ecclesiarchy Relics and an Altar of War.
There's also new artwork and an expanded background section.

Games Workshop: Digital Editions wrote:In answer to your questions - you can preorder it from the 12th, and download it on the 19th.
Yup, it will work on Android and Kindle.
The rules have been amended, so you certainly won't need any FAQ's to play with the codex.
We haven't got any news on a physical release.

Games Workshop: Digital Editions wrote:You can preorder you copy and download a preview next weekend.

https://www.facebook.com/GamesWorkshopDigitalEditions

 Shandara wrote:
The rumor was just that they were discussing faith points and scaling, no?

His exact words were "they've looked at the scaling issue for faith points", which implies that it's been worked on. Hopefully for the better.

Differences in religious beliefs have surely been the source of much distrust and simmering conflict, with the peace being kept purely out of necessity (the Imperium needs both organisations) and concessions made by both sides (AdMech adopts the Machine God=Emperor, Ecclesiarchy leaves them be rather than pushing for a War of Faith).

Still, there are a couple important things to consider:

#1 The belief that there exists something like a machine spirit does not automatically mean acceptance of the Machine God as a deity. A Sister may well respect and beseech the "spirits" in their gear without having to deviate an iota from her Ministorum-approved dogma.
#2 The Ecclesiarchy commands the faith of all human souls outside the AdMech Forge worlds and Space Marine fiefs. Are Tech-Priests thus really the only ones in the Imperium who believe in machine spirits? That just seems odd.
#3 How do you think it works for the Techmarines of the faithful Black Templars?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Not entirely true...

There's a fact called the "Temple Tendency," iirc, who are more or less the Ministorium's rivals. They are remnants of the Imperial Church headed by Vandire, before he was ousted by Thor and his Confederation of Light.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Temple_Tendency#.UlGr7lBkPdA

Granted, they are only in the Dark Heresy RPG, so YMMV

I like this concept. It's very reminiscent of the religious rivalries of the 16th century.

... That makes... absolutely no sense.

The two rival faiths were the Confederation of Light and the Church of the Saviour Emperor. The CotSE won and destroyed the Confederation of Light until Thor resurrected it to give his frateris militia something to rally around during their long march to Terra. Vandire was the Ecclesiarch of the Church of the Saviour Emperor, commonly called the Ecclesiarchy, officially named the Adeptus Ministorum.

Lynata wrote:Differences in religious beliefs have surely been the source of much distrust and simmering conflict, with the peace being kept purely out of necessity (the Imperium needs both organisations) and concessions made by both sides (AdMech adopts the Machine God=Emperor, Ecclesiarchy leaves them be rather than pushing for a War of Faith).

Still, there are a couple important things to consider:

#1 The belief that there exists something like a machine spirit does not automatically mean acceptance of the Machine God as a deity. A Sister may well respect and beseech the "spirits" in their gear without having to deviate an iota from her Ministorum-approved dogma.
#2 The Ecclesiarchy commands the faith of all human souls outside the AdMech Forge worlds and Space Marine fiefs. Are Tech-Priests thus really the only ones in the Imperium who believe in machine spirits? That just seems odd.
#3 How do you think it works for the Techmarines of the faithful Black Templars?

Everyone believes in machine spirits, as far as I can tell, from lowly labourers to Archdeacons. The Sororitas probably don't grant machine spirits any greater devotion than they do human ones, though - where a skitariimight view his squad's rhino as a divine beast sent to guide them, a Sororita would probably think of it as a squad member. Animistic beliefs (which the machine cult most definitely is) don't always assign any special importance to the soul within a non-human, the important thing is recognising that it is there and working with it.

Furyou Miko wrote:... That makes... absolutely no sense.
The two rival faiths were the Confederation of Light and the Church of the Saviour Emperor. The CotSE won and destroyed the Confederation of Light until Thor resurrected it to give his frateris militia something to rally around during their long march to Terra. Vandire was the Ecclesiarch of the Church of the Saviour Emperor, commonly called the Ecclesiarchy, officially named the Adeptus Ministorum.

He means that it's a splinter from the "old" Ministorum before it was reorganised under Thor's guidance. They see themselves as the proper faith and the "new" Ministorum as ursurpers.

It's an interesting idea, though personally I think they could have done more with it by keeping it more localised but at the same time more influential.

Furyou Miko wrote:Everyone believes in machine spirits, as far as I can tell, from lowly labourers to Archdeacons. The Sororitas probably don't grant machine spirits any greater devotion than they do human ones, though - where a skitariimight view his squad's rhino as a divine beast sent to guide them, a Sororita would probably think of it as a squad member. Animistic beliefs (which the machine cult most definitely is) don't always assign any special importance to the soul within a non-human, the important thing is recognising that it is there and working with it.

It's an interesting compromise. I'm not sure if this is how the average Imperial citizen views machines, but it could work and propose an interesting counterpoint to the dogma promulgated by the Machine Cult.
Either way, I think the Sisters would treat their gear just like anyone else outside the AdMech does. The WD article still makes it sound somewhat religious, but as I suggested one could easily accept and respect the machine spirits without compromising faith in the God-Emperor as tought in the Scholae. The various clerics and Sororitas probably think of the Machine Cult as a misguided, barely tolerated religion that (thanks to the earlier addition of the Machine God being a facet of the Emperor) prays to the right god but does it in the wrong way? A number of real world religions are the same.

I think we are all at least in agreement there aren't SoB equivalent to Techmarines where even if we believe SoB would tolerate the religious aspects of the Mechanicum they wouldn't embrace the rites and indoctrination. That is to say SoB, in the absence of anything interestingly unique would just have accompanying techpriests.

In my short story I went with the theory of using a tech priestess. An engine seer was tolerated, though heretical, like navigators, but they had to be female. But I made it up because GW hasn't said one way or the other and until they do, most theories are valid.

I took a read at that story, by the way. Very nice characterisation - me like!

aka_mythos wrote:I think we are all at least in agreement there aren't SoB equivalent to Techmarines where even if we believe SoB would tolerate the religious aspects of the Mechanicum they wouldn't embrace the rites and indoctrination.

B-but that is what the White Dwarf article says ...

Or are you referring solely to the Machine God now, and not just the rites and indoctrination about the machine spirits?

aka_mythos wrote:That is to say SoB, in the absence of anything interestingly unique would just have accompanying techpriests.

They'd still be unique due to having to factor in their own faith and having their own equipment and traditions.
Otherwise that's kind of like saying that Seraphim are just like Assault Marines, or Retributors are just like Devastator squads, etc.

The Sisters are organised similar to the Space Marine Chapters; Codex fluff outright says so, and I just can't agree with this idea that the similarities should be discarded. I for one do not see their uniqueness threatened - they are still special enough, and the similarities they share with the Astartes should be embraced as a facet of their identity and equality, not shunned as an unwelcome reminder of them supposedly standing in the Marines' shadow.

 Lynata wrote:
I took a read at that story, by the way. Very nice characterisation - me like!

aka_mythos wrote:I think we are all at least in agreement there aren't SoB equivalent to Techmarines where even if we believe SoB would tolerate the religious aspects of the Mechanicum they wouldn't embrace the rites and indoctrination.

B-but that is what the White Dwarf article says ...

Or are you referring solely to the Machine God now, and not just the rites and indoctrination about the machine spirits?

I'm saying that the SoB don't strike me as the sort to send one of their members to be trained and indoctrinated on Mars in the teachings of another religion. That in the absence of a middleground that could justify SoB techs the only feasible unit to fill that role is just tag along Techpriests or Enginseers. Something not unique to the SoB.

Lynata wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:That is to say SoB, in the absence of anything interestingly unique would just have accompanying techpriests.

They'd still be unique due to having to factor in their own faith and having their own equipment and traditions.
Otherwise that's kind of like saying that Seraphim are just like Assault Marines, or Retributors are just like Devastator squads, etc.

The Sisters are organised similar to the Space Marine Chapters; Codex fluff outright says so, and I just can't agree with this idea that the similarities should be discarded. I for one do not see their uniqueness threatened - they are still special enough, and the similarities they share with the Astartes should be embraced as a facet of their identity and equality, not shunned as an unwelcome reminder of them supposedly standing in the Marines' shadow.

Inclusion of a Techpriest or Enginseer or even an SoB gone Mechanicum will always be in the shadow of Marines as it's just another unit that is a pale imitation of a marine unit.

It doesn't really serve 40k as a whole to have SoB be Marines lite. SoB suffer from that perspective already. This generally means different armies approaching similar problems in different ways based on limitations and philosophy. What we are discussing is the reconciliation of of different faiths, one of which is so intolerant they have their own army. It strikes me as out of place to see see techpriests or Enginseers in a SoB army as much as seeing an Ecclisiarchy priest in an Adeptus Mechanicus army.

Are we really trying to say that giving Sisters something like this guy:



who is an Imperial Guard model/army choice is somehow keeping them in the shadow of the Marines? Sisters are the only Imperium based force who can't field some kind of Mechanicum based unit, which seems a bit silly considering how damned useful they are. I'd love to have one hiding behind my Exorcists to keep them alive and shooting longer!

There are several points to the discussion.

It started with me proposing rather than a cookie cutter unit lifted from another codex SoB have their own interpretation to fill the niche that Enginseerts and Techmarines do.

The way you've phrased it, would misrepresent the discussion as "SoB shouldn't have an Enginseer" to the exclusion of other possibilities, while I am precisely emphasizing those other possibilities. I would say they should have something uniquely their's.

Any time someone says SoB should have "X" and it appears in another codex my thought is "Why? Why cant't this army be its own thing."

I tried to get people to discuss possibilities for what might be an otherwise yawn worthy unit. I proposed SoB machine maidens who's divided knowledge protect the SoB from the influence of a competing faith. I don't believe it's the greatest idea, I just think it's more interesting than "copy and paste" unit entries and was hoping others had similarly interesting ideas.

aka_mythos wrote:I'm saying that the SoB don't strike me as the sort to send one of their members to be trained and indoctrinated on Mars in the teachings of another religion. That in the absence of a middleground that could justify SoB techs the only feasible unit to fill that role is just tag along Techpriests or Enginseers. Something not unique to the SoB.

Of course this is a personal decision, but I'll rather stick to what little we're told in the White Dwarf article - both because I just like the idea (which means I am obviously biased), but also because I still do not see the conflict. These "teachings of another religion" are part of everyday life for the majority of Imperial citizens. Do you think an Imperial Guard regiment's Confessor will protest at the Guardsmen reciting some AdMech litany when cleaning their lasgun? Is it not more likely that the Confessor would regard this as perfectly normal, given that he or she hails from the same culture? And if so, how would this affect the Sororitas, who grow up in facilities run by Drill-Abbots hailing from those two organisations?

Besides, if we look at the Infiltrators of the Orders Sabine, the Sisters are quite versed in working with native faiths and alien cultures without compromising their own beliefs. All we're talking about here is the Tech-Priests teaching them some basic maintenance with all the necessary rites and liturgies.

aka_mythos wrote:Inclusion of a Techpriest or Enginseer or even an SoB gone Mechanicum will always be in the shadow of Marines as it's just another unit that is a pale imitation of a marine unit.

Guess that means we'll have to scrap the whole army now - given that everything but the Repentia could be called the same if one were dead-set on applying this mindset to them.

I do not see the Sisters "suffer" from this perspective at all, and I think it is both naive and harmful to deny the stylistic links between them and the Space Marines. Furthermore, we are not discussing the "reconciliation of different faiths" at all, we are discussing accepting a basic truth that, to my knowledge of the fluff, exists everywhere in the Imperium: there's a spirit in the machine, and it won't work if you don't use the correct prayers and incantations. That doesn't mean you have to start praying to the Machine God and forget about the God-Emperor, just like the Cult Mechanicus isn't suddenly a part of the Ecclesiarchy merely because they've introduced that "Machine God = Avatar of the Emperor" compromise into their teachings. This is a critical element in this speculation that might just make the acceptance of Sisters learning machine rituals easier ... or so I hope.

Well this is wishlisting. Inherent to that it carries with it the understanding that the opinions are wishful and the hope GW would rewrite whatever exists if it made an idea fit.

I'm not saying scrap the army but to grow the army in a unique way.

SoB need to break from this continuum of being between IG and Marines and be presented more uniquely. Despite the quote that's thrown around that the SoB are equipped to the same standard as Marines they have things like the Penitent Engine. It's included as more than just a close combat sentinel , it has a concept and rationalization to it and takes what might otherwise been a derivative unit into something unique. It's that type of extra thought I want to see on these types of units.

Fluffwise, the Penitent Engine is an Ecclesiarchy vehicle, actually - not something from the Sisters' own armoury. Same for the Arco-Flagellant.

Other than that, I find this idea scary. I grew attached to the Sisters of Battle specifically because they are what they are now - not because I always thought they could be different.

I guess it's just a case of conflicting preferences.

I'm actually with Lytana on this, Sisters have plenty going for them that is different than the Marines (I've yet to see any Marines with a faith power mechanic for example) and there is plenty of room for them to get even more without having to say "no, they can't have -that- because Marines have it".

Some of their basic wargear is similar to what Marines have. It's just something we have to accept and move on from. Not having some form of Techseer is actually a bit of a crippling thing for Sisters in the game since hull points have been introduced and getting a solution to that would be great, even if it makes us a bit more like the Marines.

We know that there's never been a tech priest(ess) in a Sisters army list, which makes them unique (as far as I know); they're also unique in not using missile launchers or lascannon, which are standard for the Guard, the Marines, and (in the case of lascannon) the Navy. We further know Ministorum-Mechanicum relations vary from "customer and supplier" to "open war." So how do the Ecclesiarchy in general and the Adepta Sororitas in particular maintain the somewhat narrow range of equipment the Mechanicum sells them?

[headcanon]
Unlike the Space Marinss, the Ecclesiarchy never sends personnel to Forge Worlds for training (what the clergy calls "Mechanicus brainwashing") and cyborgization ("mutilation of the sacred human form"). Instead, as with the Imperial Guard, the multi-generational contracts between various Cardinals and Forge Worlds specific that the Mechanicum provide not only equipment but a Techpriests and servitors -- in very small numbers, however, compared to a Departo Munitorum contract for the Guard.
The Ministorum prefers to keep its "loaner" Techpriests isolated from almost all its own personnel. Rather than letting the Techpriests perform most maintenance directly, the Ecclesiarchy prefers a "train the trainer" model, where it sends a few Deacons of proven faith and loyalty to the Techpriests to receive narrow technical training on specific systems; these Tech-Deacons are then thoroughly re-tested for ideological purity before being allowed to train large numbers of Ministorum personnel in even narrower skillsets.
In a typical Ordo Minoris of the Sisters of Battle, therefore, the Sisters themselves perform field maintenance on their gear, but anything seriously broken is sent back to an attached group of Ecclesiarchy support personnel supervised by a handful of Tech-Deacons; the arrangement is similar to Marine chapter serfs or a US Army battalion's maintenance company. Anything the Tech-Deacons can't handle -- and that's a lot -- is sent back to the quarantined Mechanicum tech-priests and their TechDeacons-in-training for what the Army would call "depot-level maintenance."
Between their limited and indirect access to Mechanicum expertise and the Decree Passive -- whose lesser-known provisions prohibit the Ecclesiarchy from even owning certain heavy weapons such as lascannon -- the Sisters' arsenal is lavishly equipped but somewhat narrow. The Ecclesiarchy spends a lot on wargear but gets less for each dollar (or whatever) than the Adepto Munitorum or the Astartes, if only because the frequent breakdowns in Ministorum-Mechanicum relations offer the Forge Worlds plenty of opportunities to renegotiate -- in some periods and places as often as once a century -- and jack up prices to take advantage of the Ecclesiarchy's wealth. What the Sisters do get, moreover, spends a lot more time transiting to and from specialized maintenance units than in Marine and Guard forces that bring their Tech-Priests with them in the field. As a result, the Sisters have a strong practical preference for reliable, rugged systems like Rhino-chassis vehicles and boltguns, which reinforces and in turn is reinforced by their traditions.
[/headcanon]

I guess the wishlisting thread isn't about wishlisting.

I've acknowledge the established fluff may say otherwise, but I'm throwing out there a wishful idea.

At least forgeworld took a step in the right direction and gave sisters some love by making repressors AV13

And in true Sisters style takes away the fire points at the same time, what's a boost without a little flagellation at the same time

Is the current Repressor downloadable from the Forgeworld site? I've seen multiple conflicting versions circulating around the web....

 SisterSydney wrote:
Is the current Repressor downloadable from the Forgeworld site? I've seen multiple conflicting versions circulating around the web....

Google is your friend:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/r/RepressorFAQversion1P.pdf