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 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

quiestdeus wrote:
Man, I didn't even think of the storm raven. Uhoh!

You can't embark into an ally's transport though.

The Crusaders/DCA are a GK Henchman squad with Coteaz.

If you could embark on allied transports, repentia would actually be good.

Oh I understand, but this isn't the "GK Tactica" this is the "Adepta Sororitas Tactica" so I just wanted to remind people about that.

Green is Best! wrote:explanations

Aha, model requirements. I hope they let you proxy!

quiestdeus wrote:Yeah, but it gives me something to do with my current Battle conclave models on the shelf.

Need to trim some fat, but Jacobus, some priests, Big sister blob, standard 10 sister rhino, 2 Dominion units, 2 exorcists, Coteaz, "Conclave", Raven, and DK is looking very interesting.

Just as an FYI, here's what he ran at 1850 (I think):
Celestine
Uriah
5 Priest (1 Litany)
20 Sisters with 1 Condemn
3x 5 Sisters with HF/F and Condemn in TL-MM Immo
2 Exorcist
Coteaz
7 DCA, 3 Crusader, 1 Banisher
Raven with the trimmings

 pretre wrote:
Hmm... I personally would get 1 HF for each troop squad you have. If you plan on playing easy-bake, then get extras.

As for MM, I wouldn't get them unless you can get them cheap. The only use for them is really for a 'home' squad.

Do you have priests? You'll need some of those or a good counts-as.

I have three "priestesses" coming (I'm using Warmachine Protectorate female warcasters) I'll need to do a little conversion work, but I have a magic book handy and one of them is already rocking a massive zweihander for evicersator style. What's the current good word on ranged weapons for priests? I think I saw something about picking up a little plasma via them? (Priests that is) I also have a unit of Daughters of the Flame inbound to buff up my DCA for potential conclave runs... I do need to paint pretty much ALL the conclave models sadly. Including the Inquisitor I'm using for counts as Jacobus. (The witch hunter inquisitor with the "power rapier" for the curious)

Plasma was mostly a joke for me. You can do it, but it isn't a great idea. Killing your priest with Plasma gets hot is a bad idea.

condemnors aren't bad, but I think Power Maul or naked is best.

I do like Celestine as a mid game arrival from Reserves?

Yes, "Gets Hot!" + 1 Wound = crispy.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I do like Celestine as a mid game arrival from Reserves?

My standard response is 'heeeeelllll no' to Celestine and reserves. I think that I will down grade this to 'I would prefer not to'.

I still don't like deep striking her, but it helps mitigate her lack of multiple regens. Hmm...

Lord of Nonsensical Crap wrote:
So, I don't know if this has already come up in this discussion, but with the advent of the new Sisters 'dex, I've been pondering the viability of a Sisters blob. A big squad of 20 Battle Sisters, led by Uriah and a Litanies of Faith Priest, would be able to benefit from two War Hymns at once (passed automatically thanks to the LoF), would be Fearless, and would be able to reroll all of their armour/5+ invul saves in close combat.

Do any of you think this big unit is tactically viable, or is it bound to get shot to hell by ordnance/Hellturkies etc?


EDIT: Aaargh, and now I notice someone beat me to it.

Ponder no more. Blobs are back.

 pretre wrote:
Plasma was mostly a joke for me. You can do it, but it isn't a great idea. Killing your priest with Plasma gets hot is a bad idea.

condemnors aren't bad, but I think Power Maul or naked is best.

I hear the book is a good potential investment so I might convert one of those up. I have a book arm sitting around from a high elf mage somewhere...

 pretre wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I do like Celestine as a mid game arrival from Reserves?

My standard response is 'heeeeelllll no' to Celestine and reserves. I think that I will down grade this to 'I would prefer not to'.

I still don't like deep striking her, but it helps mitigate her lack of multiple regens. Hmm...

That was my thought - Turn 3 arrival means harder to put her down for good and likely less stuff for her to mishap into?

 SisterSydney wrote:
Yes, "Gets Hot!" + 1 Wound = crispy.

Don't forget the 50% chance of death too!

dadakkaest wrote:
I'm trying to not spend money on units that are not effective. And auto-excluding a number of units from the codex is highly disappointing Snip.

Sooo... you're criticising the AS codex for 'auto-excluding' a number of units whilst comparing it to internet lists that auto-exclude a number of units?

Here, have some warm milk and a rusk.

Just put him on ignore. It's the best feature on Dakka.

What do sisters do for Anti-Flyer?

Razerous wrote:
What do sisters do for Anti-Flyer?

Forgeworld, Allies or a Quad-gun.

I was about to add-on "same as anyone else who hasn't got a flyer yet" until I realised almost every other army has some way of mitgating flyers without relying on the above 3.

Myceron wrote:
I may get shouted down simply due to the usefulness of immos, and the points cost with no access to a laud hailer, but where do people stand on repressors? Frontal av 13 seems handy to me, I'm just not sure if I can justify the extra points that could go towards my third exorcist.

You can always mail FW about updating it to the new codex.
They updated the SM things after all. and the repressor is not nearly as much work.

So its been a loooooong time since ive been able to post but while I was out on deployment I saw the new AS codex came out so it was one of the first things I purchased.
Anyway, I have a 2k game tomorrow vs DE and wanted to bring this:

Canoness
- Power Sword (only cause I modeled her like this and im a strict adherent to WYSIWYG)

Priest

SCS
- 5x Heavy Bolters

BSS x4
- Chainsword on Superior (just cause)
- Flamer
- HF
- MM Immo

BSS
- +15 girls (total of 20)
- Flamer
- HF

Dominions x3
- Vet
- 4x Melta
- MM Immo

Exorcist x3

ADL
- Lascannon (i dont like the quad gun, I prefer the S9 single shot)

So I know that gives me
7 MM Immos (3 Scout/OF)
3 Exorcists
Plenty of cleansing fire

The plan is to have the blob hold the central home objective while the doms scout and alpha strike. The rest of the troop choices are there to move in and burn the heretics, even if they die in the process. My canoness will man the gun for her BS5 but her SCS will be available to shoot out 15 HB shots to cover any approaches to my home base. I think the canoness will be lumped in with the blob just for ablative wounds and so she cant get singled out easily. This list brings a lot of armor that has largely fallen out of favor in my local meta (Jacksonville, FL). I love my AS and the return of Immolator spam makes me very very happy. Im in the process now of altering 4 SOB rhinos to the new hotness, AS MM Immos. Good thing I saved all those bits!!

Exorcists can also often be relied upon to take down fliers if they don't have anything better to shoot at, just through sheer volume of fire.

Honestly there's very little you can't use exorcists for-- I mean I wouldn't use them against grots or termagants, but almost every other target but hordes... and hell, even against hordes they aren't bad per se-- just a bit inefficient.

The best thing for hordes is Guard allies and a Leman Russ Punisher! Or the Avenger Cannon!



Mixed with lots and lots of flamers. Season with exorcist missiles for larger, less squishy things within the hordes, and serve when all foes of the emperor have been thoroughly smote.

In other news, I have a new Exorcist coming my way, it'll need some extra bits to be fully kitted out. So... naming contest, now taking ideas for the best bull gak lati... err high gothic name for my latest rolling missile spam nightmare of faith and fire.

Purchased codex earlier. Made a 1500 points list and showed up at my store. Found a match against a guy playing salamanders with guard allies.

My list:

Celestine
Jacobus
4 priests with power mauls
2 x 5 BSS, Heavy Flamer, flamer, combi-flamer. Multi Melta Immo
20 BSS, heavy Flamer, flamer, simulacrum
5 Doms, 4 meltas. Multi Melta Immo
3 x Exorcists

His list:

Vulkan
2 x 5 tac marines. Flamer in one squad and Meltagun in the other. Drop pod on each squads
10 sternguards. 4 combi melta, 4 combi flamer. Drop pod.
2 x Dreadnough with Multimelta and heavy flamer. Also in pods
5 Devastators. 3 Missile and 1 las cannon
Marbo
Company Command Squad with Meltas in chimera
2 x veterans with plasma in chimeras.


I got turn one and it wasnt pretty for him. Game was relic.

I moved 2 immos with 5 BSS up the center towards relic and followed with big blob behind. Got him to focus on the Immos and the sister squads that came out over the game which allowed me to move sister blob in position.

He ended up podding around the relic to try and prevent me from moving to it. Eventually assaulted with the blob into 2 squads by the pods. Wiped the marines off the table and lost nothing in return. Celestine ended up in a challenge with Vulkan.
So many re-rolls from sisters standing by and from hymns she never got touched and having him do 5 armor saves a turn he died after 2 turns. Thinking about it, I should have just hit and run after his assault phase and finish off Vulkan with Exorcist fire and assault the drop pods left.

We stopped on turn 5 since all he had left was his chimera with his command squad and some drop pods and had no hopes of taking the relic at this point. Also had first blood, slay the warlord and line breaker.


I really liked the blob, but I am thinking that against anything with big blasts like Leman Russes or Vindicators, it will be pointless for how expensive it is... anything that assaults it and isnt crazy at it (like a grey knight conclave) will be tarpitted forever or die rather quickly. The re-roll wounds from that Hymn is what sisters really needed to do anything in assault against anything with T4+ and the re-roll armors is plainly crazy.

That codex revitalized my love for my sister army. So many possible builds now.

Played a 1250 match against Blood Angels. Short recap
Celestine
3 priests
3x5 BSS, Flamer, Flamer, Condemer, Immolator w/MM
1x Dominion w'4 meltas, Immolator w/MM
1x Repentia
3 Exorcist

His list
Librarian
3x10 assault marines with FnP guy
2 Predators
Aegis line and quad gun

Purge the Alien, short tableside deployment
We went to turn 3 and he called it. the Condemer Boltgun caused a wound on the librarian, Exorcists blew up a predator first turn and killed off an Assault group, Dominions meltas the last predator. Celestine flamed, assaulted and killed off another group over 2 turns. by the end of turn 3 all he had was one group of marines on the quad gun, at that point I had only lost an immolator.

Army thoughts,
I love smaller groups of sisters, love 4 specials on the Doms, Exorcists rock, and Celestine did great and didnt die. Priests rock giving the unit Fearless and hatred. Very happy and hope I played the army correctly with the update

 pretre wrote:

dadakkaest wrote:
No, I get that. I'm just upset about it.

I'm sorry but Repentia (and Penitents) have pretty much always had the same problem (delivery). This book didn't change that, which is sad, but should be no big surprise to anyone. There are plenty of other lists to use, so try those out.

It hurts my black little heart that they felt the need to nerf both units... it's certainly not as if they were swamping the tournaments and flooding the tables with tiny tears of frustration at their game breaking greatness. I was hoping for something to help them, but not expecting it... getting worse was a nasty surprise.

Overall I am not unhappy with the dex, but it hits my set up pretty hard. And my pocket book! I'm one of the few folks who will have to revamp my entire army, what with my low count of standard SoB models and transport vehicles. Looks like I'm playing on Vassal for awhile!

 J.Black wrote:

dadakkaest wrote:
I'm trying to not spend money on units that are not effective. And auto-excluding a number of units from the codex is highly disappointing Snip.

Sooo... you're criticising the AS codex for 'auto-excluding' a number of units whilst comparing it to internet lists that auto-exclude a number of units?

Here, have some warm milk and a rusk.

I'm so sorry I didn't like absolutely everything about the codex. Really. Don't black ball me at the country club for not liking a product into which very little effort was placed by the vendor.

/ignore.

Didn't get a game last night, I'd forgotten that it was a Pathfinder night last night in all the excitement of the new dex coming out. Just as well really as I'm not 100% happy with my lists @ 1000 or 1500 pts.

I have order 2 more Immos in prep for my lists.

D

Canoness. I'm loath to take a commander that's not doing much. Normally my characters are quite defensive. I was thinking about using a Canoness as a gunslinger, does anyone know if this is possible? It strikes me as a cool thing to do and makes her potentially useful, especially if she's packing double high strength pistols. Although the wording in the codex seems to imply I can only swap one weapon for a ranged weapon, meaning a bolt pistol and another type. Does this sound right to people? My intent, as I have to take a command, was to bung her in a scs with four heavy flamers riding in a mm immo.

Just had a reply from Forgeworld about updating the Repressor rules, expect them to be updated (to be able to take laud hailers, and to be a dedicated transport for Repentia) but not for a little while as they are busy with new HH and IA books....About what i expected really.

Myceron wrote:
Canoness. I'm loath to take a commander that's not doing much. Normally my characters are quite defensive. I was thinking about using a Canoness as a gunslinger, does anyone know if this is possible? It strikes me as a cool thing to do and makes her potentially useful, especially if she's packing double high strength pistols. Although the wording in the codex seems to imply I can only swap one weapon for a ranged weapon, meaning a bolt pistol and another type. Does this sound right to people? My intent, as I have to take a command, was to bung her in a scs with four heavy flamers riding in a mm immo.

I was thinking about this too. Unless there's a precedent, I don't see any reason why the canoness couldn't exchange her bolt pistol and chainsword for two plasma pistols. It'd be pretty awesome to deck both her and the SCS out this way. 370 points, but it'd be worth it at least once to see the look on a space marine players face when you pop out of an immo and eat his termie squad. Cloak of St. Aspira on the canoness would also be great for mitigating Gets Hot.

Dual-wielded inferno pistols for gits and shiggles?

Possibly useful on a dominion escort?

Not sure on the dual inferno pistols. The way the codex is written, it says a model can replace one weapon with one of the following.

Now, I would take it to mean you swap a bolt pistol for one inferno and a chainsword for the other. However, I am sure there are rules lawyers out there who will parse that up saying you can only take one (much as the Relics argument is going).

With that being said, you could sport a bolt pistol and inferno pistol and be completely compliant.

Model her with a book, an inferno pistol, and a holstered pistol of some sort, play it as whatever the opponent is good with. The book canalso be THE book if you feel like it.

Still not sure if its the greatest idea, but hey, it'll probably LOOK cool.