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Do you think exorcists are must-have unit for SOB?
Sob model is hard to collect where I'm living in, I don't have the exorcist model yet so I'm not using the exorcist for now. I'm cover the long-range fire from the IG Ally.
This is my current roster and I need some help. Can you guys point up the problem of this?
Spoiler:
+++ New Roster (1998pts) +++
++ Adepta Sororitas: Codex (2013) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++ + HQ + Ministorum Priest [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol, The Litanies of Faith] Ministorum Priest [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol, The Book of St. Lucius] Saint Celestine Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith
Well, you're running SOB as allies, so it is a bit of a different proposition. If you have good ranged otherwise, Exorcists are not necessary. If you are running a standard SOB list though, 2-3 are almost required.
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BlackTalos wrote: You could spend the extra 5pts on a dual-Storm bolter Rhino?
If you move the Rhino (which is the whole reason why you took it right? To move Infantry squads around?) you have to snap-shot the 2nd storm bolter. It's a pretty pointless upgrade for a Rhino imo. I think there's better uses of 5pts - flamers, melta-bombs or even a storm-bolter on a superior.
Oh, of course there can be much better uses for 5 pts, but in the example list, everyone is equipped =)
As for snap shooting: You tend to snap shoot it most of the time anyway. My Rhinos are usually going 12" to reach the enemy and then get destroyed or have served their purpose. It is quite rare for them to be cruisin' around at 6" per Turn unharmed :p
Yeah, what rules are these? the Master of Infiltration trait? it was debated if they count as a model for that rule i thought?
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Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage.
Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass.
PanzerLeader wrote: Bastions deploy as units and the only restriction on Master of Ambush is "non-vehicle units." I don't see why it couldn't work that way.
This.
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When determining if a building can be (...) affected by a special rule, treat the building as a vehicle unless specifically stated otherwise.
I have it as Buildings are pretty much Vehicles:
Buildings of all types use aspects of the Transport vehicle rules. The main difference between buildings and actual vehicles is that they can’t move, they can be controlled by either side and units from either side can embark upon them.
(Both from the Rulebook)
Building are not vehicles but are treated as vehicles for pretty much all of the rules? I suppose you can play on the grey area for this, but some opponents would have trouble agreeing to this =P
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Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage.
Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass.
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ELDAR FARSEER: Yesss -- my prescient vision gives me perfect understanding of the battlef...
GUARDIAN: Holy crap, where did THAT come from?
FARSEER: Wha? Huh?
GUARDIAN: The Fortress of Retribution right behind you.
BURN IT DOWN BURN IT DOWN BABY BURN IT DOWN
Psienesis wrote: Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And a FoR is multiple buildings, so that wouldn't work.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here's a slightly different pod list with 9 pods (for 5 first turn). Loses the awesome Celestine bomb, but still...
Uriah (in Bastion for fearless/counter-attack bubble and extra faith) 5 BSS in Immo (TL-MM) with Flamer x2 9 BSS with 2xFlamer (Pod) 5 Dominions with 4 Melta (Pod) 5 Dominions with 4 Melta (Pod) 5 Dominions with 4 Melta (Pod) 5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Flamers (Pod) 5 Retributors with 4 Heavy Flamers (Pod) 6 Retributors with 4 HB, Simulacrum Bastion with Comms
6 Drop Pods Sanguinary Priest with Veritas Vitae (Warlord, Extra Strategic, Bastion?) Tac Squad with HF, Combi-Flamer in Drop Pod Scout Squad 5 Sternguard in Drop Pod 5 Sternguard in Drop Pod 1840
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SisterSydney wrote: ELDAR FARSEER: Yesss -- my prescient vision gives me perfect understanding of the battlef...
GUARDIAN: Holy crap, where did THAT come from?
FARSEER: Wha? Huh?
GUARDIAN: The Fortress of Retribution right behind you.
The God (-Emperor) works in mysterious ways!
Besides, everyone knows that (Acts of) Faith can move mountains. A few bastions should be easy.
If somebody rode roughshod over the RAI like that, and bent the rules as written... I would cheerfully allow them to infiltrate a bastion. The existing rules allow a faction to construct towers in range and line of sight of entire Vengeance Weapon Batteries... at least sneaking fortresses have the Rule Of Funny backing them.
Just curious if you guys think it is worth it to ally in SoB. I am having a little bit of a conflict as to ally them in to an Eldar army or to just stay with Eldar throughout. Do these two synergize well together?
toocool61 wrote: Just curious if you guys think it is worth it to ally in SoB. I am having a little bit of a conflict as to ally them in to an Eldar army or to just stay with Eldar throughout. Do these two synergize well together?
I'm not sure what allying SOBÂ to eldar would do for you. As allies to the IoM, they are great. Allying with foul Xenos? Not so much.
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toocool61 wrote: Just curious if you guys think it is worth it to ally in SoB. I am having a little bit of a conflict as to ally them in to an Eldar army or to just stay with Eldar throughout. Do these two synergize well together?
Heh. The idea of an infiltrating bastion made me chuckle. Whilst I can see the arguement, I'm more inclined to think it wouldn't be legal. Besides I don't think I'd play it that way....
As a BA player 'm a little sad to see the dex is only good for providing drop pods and a relic for two warlord traits (I really do love that relic!).
Amusing enough, Planetstrike actually used Deep Striking bastions, so it isn't even a new idea in the fluff.
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evildrcheese wrote: As a BA player 'm a little sad to see the dex is only good for providing drop pods and a relic for two warlord traits (I really do love that relic!).
Three of my four lists had a lot more than that.
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So I just returned back to the hobby and found out my local game store is now allowing apocalypse formation in normal games (haven't played since 6th edition). So I was thinking of Angelic Host Formation. Tell me what you guys think:
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2x10 Seraphims with Superior, Melta Bomb and 2x2 hand Flamers
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SisterSydney wrote: ELDAR FARSEER: Yesss -- my prescient vision gives me perfect understanding of the battlef...
GUARDIAN: Holy crap, where did THAT come from?
FARSEER: Wha? Huh?
GUARDIAN: The Fortress of Retribution right behind you.
Mavnas wrote: Wait, if you infiltrate the bastion can you actually put anyone in it?
You have to infiltrate them separately.
It's mostly useful to null deploy and then counter deploy if you have first turn.
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SisterSydney wrote: ELDAR FARSEER: Yesss -- my prescient vision gives me perfect understanding of the battlef...
GUARDIAN: Holy crap, where did THAT come from?
FARSEER: Wha? Huh?
GUARDIAN: The Fortress of Retribution right behind you.
SisterSydney wrote: ELDAR FARSEER: Yesss -- my prescient vision gives me perfect understanding of the battlef...
GUARDIAN: Holy crap, where did THAT come from?
FARSEER: Wha? Huh?
GUARDIAN: The Fortress of Retribution right behind you.
The God (-Emperor) works in mysterious ways!
Besides, everyone knows that (Acts of) Faith can move mountains. A few bastions should be easy.
If somebody rode roughshod over the RAI like that, and bent the rules as written... I would cheerfully allow them to infiltrate a bastion. The existing rules allow a faction to construct towers in range and line of sight of entire Vengeance Weapon Batteries... at least sneaking fortresses have the Rule Of Funny backing them.
SO many ways to make it viable in fluff, i was just saying the games where the opponent has to agree "buildings use all the rules for Vehicle, are just like Vehicles... ...but they're not !" will not always go down well. Plus anyone could do it is that Warlord trait.
Fluff-wise you could find anything, from cloaking fields (Not very AS) to bastions on tracks (they can be very quiet you know...) and air-dropped bastions (why do you think they look so pristine and well-placed? )
Anyone played Dawn of War? You must know how they actually bring in buildings, lol
Space Marines need a lot of Power Generators, true fluff Fact ! Heresy if you think otherwise
toocool61 wrote: Yeah that is what I was thinking as well. All it would really add is four ignore cover meltas with great first turn range, and Celestine.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Thanks for the reply!
Yeah, i don't think they would bring much to Eldar, as they are the same toughness, similar mid-range options with Acts of Faith instead of "magic".
You're better off going for more toughness (Space Marines), more shooting (Tau), or more mobility (Dark Eldar).
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Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage.
Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass.
Wow, this thread got long again. How is it that Games Workshop who you know has a prowler here or there, sees this and doesnt give us a hardbound book, but the frigging Harlequins get one?
Sigh.
Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
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There's a whole bunch of them, up for a few days now. Came across them searching for deals.
Other words, I've a game coming up and intend to ally my Elysians with Sisters to provide close in fire support and rapid deployment. Will see how it goes.
My $0.02, which since 1992 has rounded to nothing. Take with salt.
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Farseer Anath'lan wrote: Well, I guess this puts paid to the idea that GW has people searching the web for counterfeits.
Not really. They just haven't noticed it yet.
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