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There is bad molding on the back of the neck of the Swordmaster.
However I love the pose, how he hold the cloak ready to use it in his play. Also the expression, age lines, moustache its an elven Ramirez.
Chaos Warrior is standard generic and same high quality.
The Sorcerer is a proper barbarian sorcerer, less robes, more chains. I actually like it even though I prefer the other one. Definiately looks like the unit sorcerer for the chaos warriors and thus the other guy wilding the pick must be either Morcar or Zargon. Trouble is I hate that miniature.
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The Choas Warrior is ok, but the hard shadow under the pauldrons is too obvious.
As for the Jester, nice face expression, but pointless miniature, especially if it reuse as a basic mook over and over. It would be fine if there were ten commoner zombies of different types, a couple of peasants, a blacksmith, a peddler, then it would blend in and lokm like a village had been overrun, but with only four zeds they need to be more generic.
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Been quiet since the last batch of reveals, showing size comparison videos as filler.
However I want to briefly discuss this:
Yet another vampiress, as with many the shroud doesn't cover the face on this miniature. I think it will be easily and more fun to
paint this way. However look at the neck, the shroud is still there because the fabric folds are there. Looks to me like this needs
carefully filing away. Point is how, no one has done so though all but one of the painters have ignored the shrouded face effect
so far.
Could it be they were just lazy, or is there a hidden difficulty in reaching in to clean up the neckline. What do you think?
Frankly I wish Gamezone would recast this model.
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I don't think they should recast it at all, I think its one of the best models we've seen, its just going to require a lot more skill to paint than the rest of the models. She's designed as being hidden under a sheet, if you can paint sheer fabrics or nail the shading required to make that look good, this will probably end up being be the best looking model in the box. These people seem to have just tried to take the easiest way out, no conversion and no difficult blending.
I'd be really interested to see a model where somebody actually has converted it, the only issue I could potentially see would be where the hair comes over the left shoulder. You might need to cut away quite a bit of material there to give you a normal sized neck.
This thread has been quiet for nearly a week. The YouTube videos are only showing paintjobs of already seen miniatures, and frankly not very good ones for showcasing purposes.
Anyway trawling through foreign language site at the moment and found some recent comments of interest:
Sabemos que estáis muy cansados de la política de no comunicación emprendida por Game Zone. Nosotros hablamos con ellos hace unos días y nos dijeron que están en pleno proceso de embalaje.
La ley os ampara si consideráis que finalmente Game Zone no va a hacer entrega de sus recompensas, pero no es el caso,porque lo hará, lo que no sabemos es en qué momento porque a nosotros tampoco nos lo han especificado. Eso sí, por nuestra conversación, entendimos que comenzarán los envíos pasado el verano.
No pretendemos convenceros de nada, sólo arrojar un poco de luz sobre todo esto basándonos en la info que tenemos.
Un abrazo
En resumen que según Lánzanos para finales de septiembre empiezan a mandar
Rough gist from auto-translate, with the gobbledigook translation bits omitted
From Lanzanos
Hello
We know that you are very tired of the policy of non-communication undertaken by Game Zone. We talked to them a few days ago and they said they are in the process of packaging. The law protects you if you consider that ultimately Game Zone will not deliver its rewards, but it is not the case, because it will.........Of course, for our conversation, we realized that the last shipments will begin this summer...........shed some light on all this based on the info we have........In summary by the end of September......start sending
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NORMAS DEL SORTEO
1.- Si nos ayudas aqui tendrás más posibilidades de ganar: https://www.patreon.com/for... 2.- Estar suscrito a nuestro canal.
3.- Darle "me gusta" y compartir el video.
4.- Escribir en un comentario: "SORTEO 5000 AMIGOS"
5.-Si buscas a amigos tuyos para que se suscriban al canal y nos lo dices por privado obtendras mas numeros en el sorteo.
6.-Si traes 15 o mas obtendras automaticamente una bolsa ,sin pasar por sorteo, y un numero para el sorteo de un heroquest 25a. de gamezone miniatures del mes de agosto.
EL PERFIL DE YOUTUBE DEBE DE SER PUBLICO PARA PODER
COMPROBAR SI ESTA SUSCRITO EL GANADOR. DE NO SER ASI SE PROCEDERA A BUSCAR A OTRO AGRACIADO.
Pasados 30 días desde la finalización del sorteo se pierde el derecho al premio.
Autotranslate:
Sweepstakes Rules
1. If you help us here will have more chances to win: https: //www.patreon.com/for ...
2. Being subscribed to our channel.
3. Giving "like" and share the video.
4. Write in a comment: "DRAW 5000 FRIENDS"
5. If you are looking to yours friends to subscribe to the channel and we will get more say for private numbers in the lottery.
6. If you bring 15 or more will get a bag automatically, bypassing lot and a number to win a 25th HeroQuest. gamezone of miniatures of August.
PROFILE OF YOUTUBE MUST BE PUBLIC ORDER VERIFY THE WINNER IS SIGNED.
Otherwise it proceeds to find another gracefully. After 30 days from the end of the right to the prize draw you are lost.
The prize appears to be a number of Heroquest miniatures samples.
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Hi Everybody,
I am new to this forum, but thankful to find someone besides me interested in the outcome of the Hero Quest game! I backed at a high level so that I could get all of the goodies, and am worried I am going to see nothing! I live in the US, and am worried in reading bits and pieces from this forum that I may be out of luck due to where I am standing on the planet - that would be a bummer! While invested a lot of my finances into this game, I'm not worried about the money. I just don't want to miss out on the game!! I had the original before selling it in a yard sale years ago during a move after I got married, and thought this would be a great replacement (and upgrade!).
I spend a lot of time playing Last Night on Earth with my adult kids when they swing by to visit, and have been looking forward to sharing this game with them!!
I have a couple of questions for those "in the know!"
1) I know this is only opinion, but I am curious regarding your opinions on whether or not I am going to actually get to hold and play with these wonderful pieces of plastic anytime in the future!
2) How is it that someone is actually able to find and share updates about the game? I have been watching the "official" site for months with not a word. When I emailed the company, they basically said everything is happening - and to watch the main site for updates.
Anyhow.... it's terrific to have the opportunity to just chat about this with others who understand the situation!
Thanks!
I'm pretty sure you will get the game (eventually), if this was intended to be any sort of scam they would not have done as much as they clearly have
(although I'd love more formal information from them on top of the videos)
most of the info here seems to come from our members who have at least some ability to search for info in the Spanish forums (or have bookmarked the youtube channel)
1) I know this is only opinion, but I am curious regarding your opinions on whether or not I am going to actually get to hold and play with these wonderful pieces of plastic anytime in the future!
It is not certain, legal problems are a secondary issue as despite what some very angry people are saying on some other sites, this is not a counterfeit product as it has a legal origin. Ignore the threats of legal action against backers from Moon Design, they have no basis in law. buying this game is not 'smuggling' but buying 'black market' goods.
the main problem is from Gamezone itself, they have not been very competent by all accounts, and have even scheduled another break over the summer. They are way too laid back for a project of this size, and have not thought it though at all.
That being said as we have seen they are working on it, we have seen the results and the quality is very high. I believe stories that most of the work is done, we already have seen a year ago bags full of finished product from the early casts. Gamezone are making production qualities of each product just after design stage, and have been long at it, so your copy of the game is largely complete and the miniatures earmarked to send to you are in large plastic picker boxes alongside mine and everyone elses, when the last miniature are done and the printing complete it can all be assembled and shipped to you. This should comfort you a bit, to know that most of your stuff already exists, know this to be true.
This project is a worry, its not a cause for despair.
2) How is it that someone is actually able to find and share updates about the game? I have been watching the "official" site for months with not a word. When I emailed the company, they basically said everything is happening - and to watch the main site for updates.
It's difficult, Gamezone say exceptionally little and irregularly, I don't even bother looking to them as a source. Instead I look at the work of 3rd party painters. I take a look here daily, and at Forja Y Desvan's channel on Youtube, I dont speak a word of Spanish, and am waiting mainly for new pictures. We have seen about 80% of the miniatures from a level 3 set so far. An autumn release is achievable, but then we don't know how much stumbling around Gamezone have to do before they get organised.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I'm pretty sure you will get the game (eventually), if this was intended to be any sort of scam they would not have done as much as they clearly have
(although I'd love more formal information from them on top of the videos)
most of the info here seems to come from our members who have at least some ability to search for info in the Spanish forums (or have bookmarked the youtube channel)
Thanks! I am definitely keeping my fingers crossed. After reading the comments in this forum I'm less concerned regarding GZM completing the production than I am about customs intercepting my order... I am dying to get my hands on this!!
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I'm pretty sure you will get the game (eventually), if this was intended to be any sort of scam they would not have done as much as they clearly have
Yep, Gamezone have been accused of scamming, and I agree with Orlando, this is no scam. Those who say it is have no evidence and the production evidence speaks against them, but are mostly long on bile for some reason known only to themselves and have a highly accusatory attitude towards this project.
This phenomenon is not on Dakka, but if you searched for info on Heroquest elsewhere you might have found some. Hence the reassurances being necessary.
All in all we are fairly positive about delivery and quality on this project here on Dakka, lets just hope we are right. This isnt endemic, Dakka is a grognard forum with plenty of people with axers to grind on products or games companies, especially GW, and some of those who hold high hopes for Heroquest have low opinions on other things and have no qualms about talking about it. Generally though we have good reason to do so, and frankly a lot of the bile directed against Gamzeone elsewhere had no justification for it. I don't know Gamezone, but I met enough people who know them personally to know that they are friendly approachable and honest, and do some exceptionally high quality work. They are however short on business savvy, which has been baselessly misconstrued by some as an intent to deceive.
Thanks! I am definitely keeping my fingers crossed. After reading the comments in this forum I'm less concerned regarding GZM completing the production than I am about customs intercepting my order... I am dying to get my hands on this!!
We can talk strategy on this closer to the time.
However first an intercept is unlikely for grey market goods, those who bluster about legal action are moving on the channels used for targeting black market goods, which is very different in US law, and those who confuse the two are not being honest about their legal rights to seize and confiscate, let alone threaten customs fines.
If seizure is likely you can ask for delivery to a Spanish address and arrange a reshipment. For best results make the goods legally second hand. This can be done by visibly removing shrink wrapping and internal packaging that is factory sealed. Once it is a second hand good it will have an arbitrary customs value, and can be legally labeled by classification rather than by actual product name aka "second hand boardgame". This is legal so long as you make the goods legally second hand, if they are not obviously 'used' then it is fraud to do so, and your cargo will be seized. Second hand does not mean damaged though, and need not mean fully assembled either.
If you intend your copy to be a gift this will not help you.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
I will definitely be reaching out should I experience shipping issues with my package. I'm hoping everything goes smoothly, and we are all just celebrating soon - when we aren't immersed in a game of Hero Quest, of course!
starflier23 wrote: I am new to this forum, but thankful to find someone besides me interested in the outcome of the Hero Quest game! I backed at a high level so that I could get all of the goodies, and am worried I am going to see nothing! I live in the US, and am worried in reading bits and pieces from this forum that I may be out of luck due to where I am standing on the planet - that would be a bummer! While invested a lot of my finances into this game, I'm not worried about the money. I just don't want to miss out on the game!! I had the original before selling it in a yard sale years ago during a move after I got married, and thought this would be a great replacement (and upgrade!).
See, it's your thinking that this is tied to the original game that's going to be the IP ammunition if Hasbro actually decides to go after GZ. Who knows if they will -- under a million could be less in sales than their latest Monopoly game makes in a week. Orlanth and Orlando can interpret US law as much as they want, but they're not going to reimburse you if you don't get the game. While Hasbro hasn't acted yet, Moon Design did to protect their ownership of the HeroQuest name in the USA, resulting in KickStarter taking down GZ's crowdfunding project. Start looking into an address drop, but GZ could also repackage the game contents, not include the rules, put everything in one of their GameZone mailing boxes and (my this armchair is comfy) maybe skirt the law that way.
Anyway, just as the armchair lawyers on both sides of the IP law didn't predict Moon Design's legal actions, Lazanos announced they're suing GZ for non-compliance, based on patron complaints. Any confirmation by the Spanish-speaking armchair lawyers? I'm just picking my jaw off the floor here.
EDIT: fwiw, Most legal posturing in the USA doesn't go to court, so I'm hoping this is just Lazanos putting pressure on GZ to be more communicative. The words, "class action" in this translation may also mean something entirely different in both the Spanish language and legal meaning in Spain.
Things are rolling. As I have said on several occasions I have been complaining to Lánzanos (plus Gamezone) about their treatment. Well, Lánzanos answered.
All patrons read it carefully
"Hello Jose Manuel,
We will take action on the matter. During this month you are going to receive a mail inviting all Lánzanos patron Heroquest to join a class action lawsuit against Game Zone for breach of all commitments. Of course, Lánzanos bear all the costs of the process and perform witnessing as an accusation. Let's start the mechanism.
Our soon have news.
a hug"
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how to guarantee we never get the game - sue GameZone. Very surprised to read that if its true. They are late but so are many crowdfunded games, their communication is none existent and there is no excusing that but at least 3rd parties have have shown that work has been done on the miniatures, the printed materials are another matter. What exactly will legal action achieve? We won't get the game any quicker in fact it's more likely we don't get it, we wont get our money back that's most likely been used on development/production it just seems like a lose/lose situation.
This has always been a bit of a gamble from the start and I knew that and went in with the attitude of I may lose my money on this one so I won't be signing up for any legal action against GZ at this time. If we are still here another year I might think differently but its to early yet IMO.
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This legal action from Lanzanos is somewhat unexpected, I'll wait and see if it's real of just someone having fun on facebook.
At this time, the only possible grounds for legal action from Lanzanos is breach of contract since Gamezone has not delivered anything to backers yet, and they signed a contract with Lanzanos stating that rewards would be delivered.
In other news, just recently 5 members of that same facebook group visited Gamezone and were with Dionisio for about 2 hours.
They reported that the miniatures production was at 95%, and that some of the cardboard stuff were already being printed.
They saw other minis that had not been seen in any video yet, being delighted by the male elf and the stone guardians and saying that all the minis they saw looked better in person than they did in the videos.
The giant articulated serpent and the drakks were the only ones still not ready for production because the computer renders of those were still being improved.
They also confirmed that the machines are working non stop in at least two shifts since they were there when one shift ended and the next workers arrived.
Reading what these guys wrote gives the impression that they went in with the torch and pitchfork mentality but were completely won over by all they saw and heard.
I've given up trying to predict when the game will arrive, but I do believe that it will arrive!
(hopefully sometime before christmas)
I don't see how anyone thinks this could help, unless they had been relying solely on the official updates and assumed the project was already dead in the water. In which case, why now? why not 6 months ago?
I hope nothing comes of this, after all the discussion of legal action being the end of this project. I would be fuming if it was because of a few impatient backers.
See, it's your thinking that this is tied to the original game that's going to be the IP ammunition if Hasbro actually decides to go after GZ. Who knows if they will -- under a million could be less in sales than their latest Monopoly game makes in a week.
I doubt that is a factor, the name enough and points of similarity will be the issues.
Orlanth and Orlando can interpret US law as much as they want, but they're not going to reimburse you if you don't get the game.
I have interpreted nothing, I have merely echoed what US law actually says, via website written by lawyers with knowledge on these issues.
Reimbursement is not the issue here, the issue is Moon Designs claims these goods are counterfeit. "Counterfeit" has a specific definition in law and refers specifically to black market goods. This game is not a black market commodity.
While Hasbro hasn't acted yet, Moon Design did to protect their ownership of the HeroQuest name in the USA, resulting in KickStarter taking down GZ's crowdfunding project.
Kickstarter are a company not a legal body. Moon Design complained Kickstarter acted on the complaint, it says remarkably little about the legal issues involved. Gamezone did not defend the claim so Kickstarter acted prudently.
Start looking into an address drop, but GZ could also repackage the game contents, not include the rules, put everything in one of their GameZone mailing boxes and (my this armchair is comfy) maybe skirt the law that way.
I doubt that will happen. In fact it will attract legal attention.
Lazanos announced they're suing GZ for non-compliance, based on patron complaints. Any confirmation by the Spanish-speaking armchair lawyers? I'm just picking my jaw off the floor here.
Thast isnt a surprise Gamezone has been non-communicative and has an amateur outlook to the business.
EDIT: fwiw, Most legal posturing in the USA doesn't go to court,
That can be read two ways, either the posturing doesn't hold water, or the recipient of legal enforcement documents caves.
Threat and bluster are a major factor in law.
so I'm hoping this is just Lazanos putting pressure on GZ to be more communicative. The words, "class action" in this translation may also mean something entirely different in both the Spanish language and legal meaning in Spain.
I am very much of the opinion that this is a shot across the bows. The class action would be real, it would just be withdrawn. Its Lanzanos saying 'we want to take steps on Gamezones non-delivery', forcing Gamezone to wake up and communicate is part of this.
dannyuk1982 wrote:
Things are rolling. As I have said on several occasions I have been complaining to Lánzanos (plus Gamezone) about their treatment. Well, Lánzanos answered.
All patrons read it carefully "Hello Jose Manuel,
We will take action on the matter. During this month you are going to receive a mail inviting all Lánzanos patron Heroquest to join a class action lawsuit against Game Zone for breach of all commitments. Of course, Lánzanos bear all the costs of the process and perform witnessing as an accusation. Let's start the mechanism.
Our soon have news.
a hug"
Yep Lanzanos acting on complaints by backers. Lanzanos has given reassurances in the recent past to backers, (link in earlier post) based on Gamezones own progress. But has to act based on the companies total lack of cummincations.
gpires wrote: This legal action from Lanzanos is somewhat unexpected, I'll wait and see if it's real of just someone having fun on facebook.
It could be a hoax, and I hadnt thought of that, but a lawsuirt threat makes sense.
At this time, the only possible grounds for legal action from Lanzanos is breach of contract since Gamezone has not delivered anything to backers yet, and they signed a contract with Lanzanos stating that rewards would be delivered.
a lot of people are getting impatient, stamping their feet and calling Gamzone and Lanzanos. Lanzanos cant ignore this or it faces ruin to its own reputation.
If the project was half finished mess I could image the need for this, but this far in people should just be more patient.
In other news, just recently 5 members of that same facebook group visited Gamezone and were with Dionisio for about 2 hours.
They reported that the miniatures production was at 95%, and that some of the cardboard stuff were already being printed.
So its working Gamezone realise they cant sit in their towers and gazxe at clouds (while working on Heroquest). This was a smart and frankly inevitable counter. Bring enough of those who have been ignored into the Gamezone factor and let them see the progress. I expect images on Gamezones websites, or Lanzaons within hours. In fact I will go check after this post to see if they are there.
They saw other minis that had not been seen in any video yet, being delighted by the male elf and the stone guardians and saying that all the minis they saw looked better in person than they did in the videos.
Not unreasonable, Gamezone has handed the preview miniatures to select fans rather than actual studio painters. Not only are the piantjobs largely amateur, the video tech is too.
The giant articulated serpent and the drakks were the only ones still not ready for production because the computer renders of those were still being improved.
They also confirmed that the machines are working non stop in at least two shifts since they were there when one shift ended and the next workers arrived.
As stated and beleived Gamezone are making it as they go along. Hopefully now Lanzanos will give Gamezone some time. We need to buy Gamezone the time by asking backers to be patient and not stamp feet and say I -want I want. If they continue to do so and Lanzaons feels they have to back them this can all end in ruin.
Conversely we need to bitchslap Gamezone into knowing that they cant think, fans have given us a breather - time for siesta; and not bother with communications.
Reading what these guys wrote gives the impression that they went in with the torch and pitchfork mentality but were completely won over by all they saw and heard.
Good. But there are hundred of ex-kiddies who cant trqavel to Sevilla, I hope they get the message and learn some patioence.
Dakka has been rather good on this thread on this note.
With as many of us that must be contacting GZ with questions and concerns, it seems it would be easier for them to provide a singular response via posting on their website in order to reassure everybody. If they are generating all of those character videos, why not just post those with "hang in there" comments for the backers in general. It would sure have a calming effect just to see the company update its website.
Gamezone are not making any character videos, favoured fans are. I call them 'fans' because the people doing the videos have amateur equipment and showcase amateur paintjobs, though at least one is a pro painter when you pay him to be one.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Message I placed on the Lanzanos website just now:
Lanzanos,
Sorry I do not speak Spanish, autotranslate provided.
I do not know why Lanzanos is pursuing Gamezone in the courts, or if this is what you are actually doing, or just a rumour.
However with the project being as late as it is and with a lack of communications from Gamezone some backers might
complain to you to take action.
I would like to know if you are indeed taking legal action, and if so why.
As a backer may I ask tthat you give Gamezone exrtra time, the game by all accounts is almost done, and while some are
complaining due to lateness others are resolved to be patient.
I would not want to see everything fall apart due to a lawsuit. You may be acting on behalf of disappointed backers, but I am a backer too, and like many others am happy to wait a while longer for my game.
Thank you
Lanzanos
Lo siento, no hablo español, AutoTranslate proporcionado.
Yo no sé por qué Lanzanos está persiguiendo Gamezone en los tribunales, o si esto es lo que en realidad se está haciendo, o simplemente un rumor.
Sin embargo, con el proyecto de ser tan tarde como es y con la falta de comunicaciones de Gamezone algunos partidarios podría quejarse a usted a tomar medidas.
Me gustaría saber si está hecho tomando acciones legales, y si es así por qué.
Como patrocinador puedo preguntar tthat das Gamezone exrtra tiempo, el juego por todas las cuentas está casi hecho, y mientras algunos son quejarse debido a lo avanzado que otros se resuelven a ser paciente.
No me gustaría ver todo desmoronarse debido a una demanda. Usted puede estar actuando en nombre delos partidarios decepcionados, pero yo soy un partidario también, y como muchos otros estoy feliz de esperar un poco más para mi juego.
Gracias
We need an actual Spanish speaker to speak out though. The above autotranslate will probably hurt the eyes, declare war, admit to any number of crimes etc etc...... The things I do for the community.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2. Gamezone will not be posting updates until eveything is finished. This info however predates the Lanzanos legal threat.
3. Gamezone is still designing and updating the rules, and thus has not placed the rulebooks out to print.
4. Almost all the miniatures are done, excepting the large serpent, the Drakks and a cage terrain piece.
5. The cage is massive, size of a mobile phone, it also had to be redesigned due to breakage.
6. The large serpent is in several parts, the indication is that the serpent can be chopped into segments as part of the rules.
7. The box is very large, similar to that from Cthulhu wars.
8. The game includes a dice tower.
9. Now this sounds really cool. There is a golem miniature with a rotating head, depending on which face is showing it becomes a ranged, magic or melee monster.
Heroquest release date confirmed!
Hello friends as, there is finally light at the end of the tunnel for those who supported the Kickstarter Heroquest 25th anniversary. As a picture is worth a thousand words I put a photo with information.
Late September is the date that many people mark your calendar. Pass good weekend and mind is nothing left to play Heroquest
Update: the email is E-minis, sorry I did not post before but I've had technical difficulties really sorry.
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Radagast20991 August 2015, 14:46
Date? Where's the date? Email this only proves that a third says the automaker says that by the end of September, am patron Layer 3 modular board and intrepid young and I have communicated by GameZone date. Sorry, I did not think so.
Ferran Torta1 August 2015, 14:54
September possibly be why they are still creating figures ...Dungeon
dado1 August 2015, 15:04
I only meant to inform, not bothering anyone. They have already been given the date of spring and the end of September seems a plausible date. Once again I apologize if I've upset someone.
A greeting and thanks for comment
Enric Portell Penadés1 August 2015, 15:05
"Manufacturer" (Dionysius of Gamezone) also confirmed in November 2014 that they could not deliver the game in December because the price of printing is going out of hand ... still not the printed product, so you see that no credibility, hehe.
As it is known:
-Quedan Least 20 3D still thumbnails
-Other 4 (the drakks and tiller) whose design is not yet finished
-The Letters and the rules are almost finished, but the translations are still half. So it is the whole process of printing, paper and cards. Dash is supposed to be already advanced
-The Image of the box gave problems, which is not yet finished.
-In Addition to all this, the whole process would still be saved, packaging, packaging and testing before they can even begin to raise shipments. Considering that during part of August is vacation* .... gamezone September dates are not optimistic, if not impossible.It is calculated rather December 2015, if no unforeseen, of course. Answer
[*Orlanth's Note - This is the second recent comment about a production break in August, during which time the company will be effectively shut down.]
Dungeon dado1 August 2015, 15:09
Good for the good of the patience of many (including myself) I hope the September date is not a utopia.
Thank you very much for commenting on a Wave.
JUAN JOSE GUTIERREZ González1 August 2015, 15:16
I was visiting last Monday gamezone and talking directly with Dionisio. When asked if the game would come in December, we said before. When? Before. That was all we could get him. With what we saw there that needed to be done and what it told us, I see end of September at least very, very optimistic. And do not worry you do not bother anyone for trying to inform the contrary, it is appreciated. The discomfort that many people have is rather with someone else. Regards.
Dungeon dado1 August 2015, 15:56
The email sent him a distributor to a store and I could take the previous picture is clear permission. I think it might be true and I hope it is because I want to play Heroquest and XD. Thank you very much for your kind words, thanks to the efforts of one appreciates.Thank you very much for commenting greeting.
JUAN JOSE GUTIERREZ González1 August 2015, 18:43
What you told us about the date Dionisio giving distributors was that the dates had not and that if any was giving distributors at their own risk for a period calculated own distributors, not that I had given him. Moreover, we said no departure would advance until the truck were loading the first box at the door. I mean that ...And nothing to write, all patrons and pre're as crazy about some information, some more pissed, some less and others with blind trust in gamezone. But all seek some information from anywhere.
Transcript of visit to Gamezone factory by a guest:
Hello everyone, I am Alberto and I was one of those who went to the meeting with the factory Dionisio Gamezone the 27.07.2015.
I will discuss everything that I can think relevant to the visit of the many questions I asked Dionisio along with my other colleagues.
I will not answer any questions by private that I can not devote time and I'm very busy. But I think all you ask me answer in this post in the comments.
Surely repeat something exactly like my colleagues, sorry if I still do but I would tell all.Let's do this:
- Dionisio behaved perfectly fine with us since the beginning. He greeted early and decided we doubt for 2 hours.
- The only official channel of reliable information is Heroquestclassic.com/es. All other sources are completely disposable and probably not true.
- A soon official update is not ruled out, but it is one that will be provided only when all finished.
- Still not all work done but very advanced. Dionisio daily decisions to conform to the final model. He literally said "I hope the quality speak for itself".
- The 3D scenery elements shall be of a plastic ultrarresistente. Dionisio auditioned him to the ground and not a single notch. The level of detail obtained is exceptional.
- The only piece of terrain to end the cage (which bars being so thin, you end up breaking even and have not designed at all). This cage is removable and configurable.
- Figures, characters, monsters are 95% of production. And work has already started printing.
- The format of the case is monstrous. A wheelbarrow to carry needed haha. We saw the prototype on a table compared with a walkie talkie. We thought it was a mobile, so imagine how big it is. I would compare it with one that more elongated Chtulhu wars.
- Dionisio plans to sell a part of a protective affordable to transport thumbnails (as it was going much of the budget) panchas price.
- The color of the heroes will be red for 8 basis heroes and gray for the 15 + intrepid young. This is because the dyes that make the resin properties and delays lose much production work (as the vast majority lost or broke detail). However, if you plan to sell a small boat primer of the same shade of red that basic heroes to all the heroes have the same color. This is simply for those who want and will not be expensive. To those who go to paint minis, this news can not forget because it serves you.
- Young intrepid already have figures and are very accomplished. The intrepid young boy is called Teo (Teo leaves dungeon lol).
- The second primordial chaos sorcerer (for level 3) and also has its figure (it is totally different to the basic sorcerer) and power is to summon and control the trolltopo during a shift. Then as it goes haywire.
- Dungeon master screen is over and we have seen. It is amazing and includes a bottom flap to roll the dice below the screen.
- There will be a tower of dice included in the box and installed on the screen. But if this first design done and you can buy for grabs.
- There will be periodic expansions Heroquest and will be a live game, has very clear dionisio first expansion in mind (we have no details about it). The format will be very different from the base game, the content: rules scenarios added a pack of miniatures, some tiles and letters. That is, they will not be mega giant expansions as the basic box, but something lighter and constant.- The dracks be civilized and beasts own culture and religion. They will not be wild monsters despite having an intimidating appearance. Still not the final model has not been achieved and ornamentation of the armor like Dionisio. What he has taught us cool and on track. Take plates rather than protection will catch ornaments and weapons and fight very differently to humans and humanoid monsters.
- The tiller consists of three basic parts: head, tail and torso (sometimes repeated). That is, it will be a monster pasillero, which will be assembled with powerful magnets and you can change the position. It is not over the model, but the trend we've seen is on track. Your body is destructible (it is as divided into parts). In each part to make way destroy you receive a stream of acid and you can find objects and things in your body. The latter seemed curious.
- This is more a curiosity than a story: Isabel is there and my people. The working groups are made up Gamezone 3 person and only one of them is geek. There are morning shift and afternoon. This all day producing.
- As for the cards. We have seen the final art of many of them. Both the back of the card as illustrated. They will contain the minimum possible text and effects of the letter (the harm caused and the attack dice in the case of weapons) will be integrated into the illustration itself. That is, we will not see the typical box of explanatory text. Nor titles appear obvious, I mean. Dionisio said that if it was really necessary to explain what you see if it's so obvious:
- The letter is an illustration of "double ax" Do you really have to explain that it is a double-edged ax when it looks perfectly what is?It is somewhat curious that some will not like. To me if I liked the integration of text in art. Moreover artifact cards and such things as relics if you have a flavor text.- The operating rules will be the Dungeon Master of an elongated format. That is, as when you print a copy shop a book double page per sheet (only the manual double page sheet will not be). Let me explain again, occupy less space for the dungeon master is not so far removed from the board (since it is assumed that the book will have the following screen)
- Yes, the weapons master is an elf with a mustache. Fully confirmed.
- Testing groups are people close to the company and especially people from various countries or bilingual. In this regard, nothing to add.
- Translations, other than that will be good has added nothing more.- The rules are not finished and has not released Dionisio pledge on this. That is, we can not say anything on this subject. It makes it, and keeps changing things constantly. He says it is not their major concern as it is working hard on them and they never stop improving.
- The exodus of patrons who leave the project were completely denied. We have a specific figure but we can not comment at all is significant digits. If orders have increased, however.
- The dates that give the stores are approximations that make the distributors and are not concrete. For the Germans, you need to know the exact total cost plus shipping and an approximate date or not buy anything. Therefore Gamezone distributor in Germany gives these dates but at their own discretion (is outside the company).
- We have received the 5 figures went to the interview. Bags were improvised in which a goblin, the housekeeper, the barbarian veteran and hero ranged from wandering blacksmith and the insane wizard included. A total of 4, and then some more and we saw Dionisio would offer us. We were not intending to catch minis but at all times we let freedom. I myself was one minute in office Dionisio all prototypes and minis alone. That is, that the good faith with which we went was rewarded with trust and some miniature.
- The metal parts of the miniatures is based on durability. In some parts the resin was so thin it was suffering risk of damage. Take the example of the Paladin I had in my hands. His coat was thin translucent what it was and sword resin is easily bent (but then regained form). Therefore, there will be a piece of metal
- Famous dice into a cylinder, incredibly work. In the first run I went symbol HQ.
- Finally, and I'm tired of writing left a mine valuation (and I think shared by my colleagues) unofficial HeroQuest be ready when the 25 anniversaries: Before December. There are still things to do and whatever is better is welcome. It does not mind waiting a few more months provided that the quality is as good as we've seen.Gentlemen ... It's all a past and see it all right. I think worth it.Greetings to all and not eager thirst. Ye no longer believe most things Internet.
Visit Gamezone part II
Following the previous post, I still like I said at the same points he had put on his Joaquín López extending them.
So we continue with previously unseen models. The elf think we left everyone happy, miniature piece, very dynamic, with lots of details (also Joaquin Lopez, was obsessed with him, ha ha ha.) The stone guardians have a curious air and Maya we really liked was the detail of the triangular gem head, as explained Dioni, depending on the position of the gem, you can make magic attacks, melee or distance or even explode. The illustration of the fa with two swords only saw Joaquin Lopez, others were watching other models in the factory. We saw such Zargon also very detailed with a fireball in his hand and the other pointing the finger. A position also dynamic. In short ... the quality of the models is very, very, very good. Of course, we also saw a lot of models that were already out in videos, like goblins, orcs, trolls mole, many of the heroes, the vampire and zombie maiden among others. I must say that the videos and pictures do not do them justice. Typical of "hand earn much" ... as to my regret I must say that is true. The minis are more stylized than it looks in the videos and even impressed with the thinness of the legs of the vampire (eye, still do not like the mini, but the legs are not as tochas as they appear in the videos). In short, apart from the individual tastes of each, the quality of the minis is extraordinary and in this respect we will not just complaints.
Another point was the work being done and how much is left of minis, printing and delays. As I go around ... the work of minis is 95% according to Dionisio told us and as we could see, so. In miniatures they have almost everything done told us that manufactured between 9,000 and 12,000 models per machine a day and you are left with very few, those that remain have already outlines, are left to produce in mass except tiller and Draks following mulling over the design, as I said in the previous post. All the others have them packaged and ready for when going to put them in boxes (and have a egg boxes filled to the brim minis). The press is more complicated, there obviously do nothing of the press, so we could not see the progress, but Dionisio spread on the subject. It is sent to the printer and all or nearly all. The text is integrated in some letters, while others have their explanatory space. He assured us that the printing colors are much more vivid and impressive to see them on the computer. We also said that the press does all the print job and sends nothing until you are all done. That is, they will not send parts, first box, then letters, etc ... but in the same package and send it all together ready to start riding. So until you are ready to the last print job, the printer will not leave. Of course say that the work of illustrators is, if anything, equal or better than the minis. And last possible delays. He said that in a production process every day piles problems that can stop or slow down production, appear totally unpredictable. As an example he told us about the revision of the machines that are producing as much for so many hours to do periodic reviews and recently the mechanic told him to check one of them had to stop three days, with the loss of production. That leads and asked the mechanic to spend the next week to finish the run. Quite out of these problems when working tirelessly in two shifts (and done, eh? That when we were there close one shift and went to work the following afternoon). That's one of the reasons why he does not want to date, because if a machine breaks down in summer, with how hard it is to find spare parts on vacation, if the machine must be stopped one month, this entails an unforeseen delay and of course you would have to delay the date given. For this and other reasons not to give an approximate date or concrete or. Although we insist on it and already discuss in another post. I do not feel your fingers.
Got the gist, but would really appreciate a Spanish speaker to 'fix it for ya'.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
It looks to me from trawling several sites that impatient backers forced Lanzanos' hand with regards to the lawsuit. Lanzanos doesnt have much choice at the moment but to threaten action, Gamezone havent delivered, its overdue and therefor the recovery procedure is pretty much an automatic process, Lanzanos has to defend backers interests. Thing is we are backers too.
I wrote them an email asking for them to hold off on any legal proceedings on the grounds that some backers would prefer to give Gamezone a chance. IF THIS IS TO WORK I CANT BE THE ONLY ONE TALKING. Impatient backers have complained a lot about Gamezone, because its not in their company ethos to do the paperwork and communications. Yet we do know it is in their ethos to work hard on the game itself, and we have seen its not a fake project. I need other backers, frankly all of us from Dakka to petition Lanzanos to give Gamezone until end of October to show proof of intent to deliver.
I posted in English plus autotranslated Spanish, it would help if Spanish speakers posted a copy/paste petition for us to use.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
In recent days it has developed a controversy arose a private message maintained between the platform and a user of our network and we will try to clarify things to stop rumors that do not benefit either party (or GM, or the patron or Lánzanos).
The platform has not initiated any legal action nor plan to do so for delays that are suffering Heroquest game delivery. Nor it has issued official information. Lánzanos disagrees with the policy of no information or insufficient information of Game Zone regarding the progress of the game but its development continues and we know that there are many people waiting to receive it. Of course, the platform will always be on the side of patrons, without incurring damage to the creator or to deliver the product, but always support the decisions taken patrons regarding their economic support to crowdfunding. This unconditional support to patrons may become economic, communicative or otherwise, depending on the case.
Slinky wrote: E-mail received from Lanzanos (auto-translated):
Sorry but I have been rather busy lately and don't have much time to help with the translations.
Just stopped by to see if there was any news and all this seems to be a little chaotic.
Lots of contradictory information flying left and right.
A quick translation of the email:
"Good afternoon,
In recent days it there has been some controversy regarding a private message maintained between the platform and a user of our network and we will try to clarify things to stop rumors that do not benefit either party (not Gamezone, not the backers and not Lánzanos).
The platform has not initiated any legal action nor plan to do so for delays regarding the Heroquest game delivery. Nor has it has issued official information about this. Lánzanos disagrees with GameZone's policy of no information or insufficient information regarding the progress of the game but the game's development is ongoing and we know that there are many people waiting to receive it. Of course, the platform will ALWAYS be on the side of the backers, without that being harmful to the creator or to the delivery the product, but we will always support the decisions taken backers regarding their economic support to the crowdfunding project. This unconditional support to the backers may become economic, communicative or otherwise, depending on each case.
The Lánzanos team"
The people at Lanzanos seem to be reasonable enough, both from this email and from other emails back when the project was still funding.
My advice is to wait for september because, down here, everything is pretty much stopped or at half-speed for the summer holidays anyway.
Still, no regrets for sending the email to Lanzanos. It could have all been an ugly mess.
Only half right. This doesn't look like a complete hoax.
The "private message maintained between the platform and a user of our network" looks like a Lanzanos employee stating an opinion on HQ25 that did not match the official position of the company.
So, it looks like there are those inside Lanzanos that think they should be doing, or at least preparing to do, something about GZ, but the company's current official position is to wait for now, but reserving the right to take appropriate actions at a latter time if needs be.
how to guarantee we never get the game - sue GameZone. Very surprised to read that if its true. They are late but so are many crowdfunded games, their communication is none existent and there is no excusing that but at least 3rd parties have have shown that work has been done on the miniatures, the printed materials are another matter. What exactly will legal action achieve? We won't get the game any quicker in fact it's more likely we don't get it, we wont get our money back that's most likely been used on development/production it just seems like a lose/lose situation.
