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 Ninjacommando wrote:
The Reason they changed the "Others" to White-walkers is because of the TV show Lost. In that show the enemy of the main characters are "the others".

Spoiler:

When the White Walker was taking the baby to that teleportation spot did anyone else think of this?


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You have no idea. I started having the warcraft 3 theme song come on in my head.

I will call the new character the Lich King, until I am proven wrong and that is not his name.

Both are badasses by the looks of it. (also from what I've heard they are working on a Warcraft movie and television show)

Cersie never actually let him in, he just came in after knocking a long time. I'm sure there is a valid spousal rape discussion you can have with the whole scene, but this is not the place for it.

Bran needs to jump into poor Hodor and go "Hodor Smash" on the traitors!

It's been a while since I read the book, but did the traitors really capture Bran? I don't remember that part of the book.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It's been a while since I read the book, but did the traitors really capture Bran? I don't remember that part of the book.

I'm pretty sure they didn't since Bran had coldhands guiding him by that point

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It's been a while since I read the book, but did the traitors really capture Bran? I don't remember that part of the book.

I'm pretty sure they didn't since Bran had coldhands guiding him by that point

Yeah, that's what I thought.
They're beginning to change a lot in the series. I guess they did it so it's still surprising for the readers. The question is though how they are going to get Bran out of there before Snow finds him; if they meet it will be too different from the book.
Not sure I liked the ending. They should have kept the mystery of what happens to the babies near the end of the series.
Those creatures' "temple" was pretty cool (ha ha!) though. Very eldritch looking.

I disagree about holding the baby thing and development of the great enemy till later in the show. That's part of the problem with the books right now. Everything is focused around people who only care about their slice of the pie and it's narrowing the world now that your POV characters aren't the ruling heads of state. Letting us know the bigger picture keeps it from turning into "Days of our Lives" the medival edition.

It's a change they're going to have to make to keep viewers interested from episode to episode and season to season. The plot needs to *feel* like it's still advancing...even if it's stalling a little.

This got a laugh from me.

As for tonight's episode

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
As for tonight's episode

Spoiler:

2. Why does Arya's list include people like the Red lady?

One thing that I loved was...

So that's how they kill Vargo Hoat/Locke?

What a crock.

Disappointing in comparison.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
As for tonight's episode

Spoiler:

1. Lady Arran claims to have killed Lord Arryn for her love of Lord Baelish. What the fethedy feth?
2. Why does Arya's list include people like the Red lady?
3. Poor Sansa having to listen to her Aunt on her wedding night then all those accusations
4. The Lannisters running out of Gold? I bet Lord Tywin wished he really did gak gold then
5. Interesting chat between Prince Oberron and Cersei
6. You'd think that Jon Snow & Friends would have been a lot stealthier at the start of the battle for Crasters considering how stealthy their ranger was: although the duel at the end was pretty sweet.
7. We finally get to see Bran's ability to take humans (Albeit Hodor) and not just animals like "regular" wargs

 gorgon wrote:

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
As for tonight's episode

Spoiler:

1. Lady Arran claims to have killed Lord Arryn for her love of Lord Baelish. What the fethedy feth?
2. Why does Arya's list include people like the Red lady?
3. Poor Sansa having to listen to her Aunt on her wedding night then all those accusations
4. The Lannisters running out of Gold? I bet Lord Tywin wished he really did gak gold then
5. Interesting chat between Prince Oberron and Cersei
6. You'd think that Jon Snow & Friends would have been a lot stealthier at the start of the battle for Crasters considering how stealthy their ranger was: although the duel at the end was pretty sweet.
7. We finally get to see Bran's ability to take humans (Albeit Hodor) and not just animals like "regular" wargs

Spoiler:

Regarding #2, it's because Melisandre took Gendry when they were hanging out with the Brotherhood, remember? Note that this is a change from the books (Melisandre used another bastard, Edric Storm).

Ah, completely forgot about that bit

I liked the sword in the head, but I kinda knew something like that was coming when the guy turned his back. So does John Snow become the leader of the black watch or whatever? Seems like they're building up to that.

I didn't expect sersei to give that girl her blessing to marry her other son. I wonder if Balish was pissy that he went to all that trouble to get a present for that kid, and he just threw it down into the pit of despair like it was nothing.

But the whole dragon lady thing.. yawn. Another 5 minutes wasted that could have been spent on other characters I care about. I think my biggest gripe with this show is there are way too many storylines... maybe it works in the books better, but on TV it just feels like a whole bunch of separate stories that are all so different. Following 2 people here, 2 people there, 1 guy here, another guy there...

Same reason I didn't care for the latest season of walking dead as much too, everyone's all separated wandering around.

 Necros wrote:

I didn't expect sersei to give that girl her blessing to marry her other son.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
As for tonight's episode

Spoiler:

1. Lady Arran claims to have killed Lord Arryn for her love of Lord Baelish. What the fethedy feth?
2. Why does Arya's list include people like the Red lady?
3. Poor Sansa having to listen to her Aunt on her wedding night then all those accusations
4. The Lannisters running out of Gold? I bet Lord Tywin wished he really did gak gold then
5. Interesting chat between Prince Oberron and Cersei
6. You'd think that Jon Snow & Friends would have been a lot stealthier at the start of the battle for Crasters considering how stealthy their ranger was: although the duel at the end was pretty sweet.
7. We finally get to see Bran's ability to take humans (Albeit Hodor) and not just animals like "regular" wargs

^Yeah, my wife reminded me of that.

As for the multiple story lines I think it's working pretty well. That said I also loved the back half of this season of the Walking Dead

Different path of characters start coming together again in the last book. Still two more books to go and now I'm wondering if Martin going to finish off his books via TV series That will PMTFO

i've said it before. If he keeps the same writing pace he did for the last two the entire show series will be done before the release of the next book. Let alone the other one that is supposed to finish the series.

Besides. Going by the writing and actual content of the last two books it might be best if the saga is finished by HBO and not Martin....

I figure the bits with the Others/White Walkers, raid on Craster's, etc. are previews of things to come, with seasons of the show lining up less nicely with books or half-books.

Things from the next two books will probably get shuffled around (we've already seen some of this to a minor degree with events in book 3) and more "filler" sequences will probably be added, not unlike what you see with manga-to-anime conversions.

I hope they go into detail about other stuff Martin has left un-detailed, such as Loras' fate or what really happened to the Wildlings trapped at Hardhome.

 Necros wrote:
I liked the sword in the head, but I kinda knew something like that was coming when the guy turned his back. So does John Snow become the leader of the black watch or whatever? Seems like they're building up to that.

I didn't expect sersei to give that girl her blessing to marry her other son. I wonder if Balish was pissy that he went to all that trouble to get a present for that kid, and he just threw it down into the pit of despair like it was nothing.

But the whole dragon lady thing.. yawn. Another 5 minutes wasted that could have been spent on other characters I care about. I think my biggest gripe with this show is there are way too many storylines... maybe it works in the books better, but on TV it just feels like a whole bunch of separate stories that are all so different. Following 2 people here, 2 people there, 1 guy here, another guy there...

Same reason I didn't care for the latest season of walking dead as much too, everyone's all separated wandering around.

I am the opposite - I am bored stupid by Fat Sam, Jon Snow and the wall of pointlessness - lets face it the Walkers are apparently too scared of melting to venture south as they are wondering around apparently lost with their zombie army. I hope they ignore Dan's personality descent that GRRM invlificted on her in Dance. Even worse is Bran and co - kill 'em all and move on

Enjoyed most of the last half of recent Walking Dead season as they did some chacarter stuff rather than being stuck in the prison - yawn.

Anyone think Asha will take the place Jeyne Poole?

 Hulksmash wrote:
i've said it before. If he keeps the same writing pace he did for the last two the entire show series will be done before the release of the next book. Let alone the other one that is supposed to finish the series.

Besides. Going by the writing and actual content of the last two books it might be best if the saga is finished by HBO and not Martin....

I read somewhere that GRRM has told the HBO people how the main storylines work out, just in case he dies.

Mr Morden wrote:

Enjoyed most of the last half of recent Walking Dead season as they did some chacarter stuff rather than being stuck in the prison - yawn.

Haha yes, I felt the same way. Also season 2 when they were living on the farm and it started to resemble episodes of the Waltons.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:As for tonight's episode
[spoiler]
1. Lady Arran claims to have killed Lord Arryn for her love of Lord Baelish. What the fethedy feth?
3. Poor Sansa having to listen to her Aunt on her wedding night then all those accusations

Lord Baelish is turning out to be quite the cad! Although we already knew that from his treachery of Ned Stark, it's obvious he's actually one of the nastier (and extremely power-hungry) characters behind the scenes.

Wonder if he is now going to start moving into the 'everyone's most hated.. ' slot vacated by Geoffrey?

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
6. You'd think that Jon Snow & Friends would have been a lot stealthier at the start of the battle for Crasters considering how stealthy their ranger was: although the duel at the end was pretty sweet.

Haha yes, I wonder why they didn't wait and sneak in. Instead it was 'raarrrghhhh!' head on frontal charge

Glad to see the leader of the mutineers got his comeuppance, and well done for show creators making it suitably gory as per normal!

I don't think it's always been entirely about 'power' for Baelish, not entirely. I think his character is a bit more complex than that.

For example, he's not really power hungry, as overt power would be far too much work and, boring. Speaking, class-wise, he's pretty much an incredibly minor Lord, controlling a handful of rubbish islands. In my view, he's happy to have others hold The Power, as long as whichever way they hold it, he gets to feel superior to them. He doesn't want to rule, but he's perfectly happy to have everyone dancing to his tune.


This desire, I think ends up tying in to the experiences from the past that Lysa was talking about. As a young man, Baelish loved Catelyn, but, of course, he was trumped by the Stark's being the Lords of the North and all the awesomeness that being a Stark comprises.

The one guy killed by Hodor

Almost felt like they are trying to give Dany more of a reason for not having moved to Westeros yet, more explicitly than in the books at least. Although it does feel a bit like they are just having to cover for bad writing on Martin's part.

I wonder when Cold Hands is finally going to join the mix.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Agreed. It's one of the reasons I'm done with the books. After 15 years we're pretty much where we were at after the original 3 books but with Dany.....not being Dany. I'll watch the show for the ending of what started as one of the greatest fantasy series I'd ever read and wipe my hands of it afterward. I'll keep reading authors who understand how to move forward and develop characters

Have an exalt Sir Hulksmash! Exactly my thoughts on it.