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I love the -1 LD within 12" thing. I think that can be huge.

Wait can the Coven take Webway portals?!

Cause if so welcome to the Oprah Army.*


THE OPRAH ARMY
Covenant Detachment Primary
1 - 6 Haemies w/ WWP

Wracks in Venoms

or

Grotesques w/ Raiders


Allied
Iyanden
HQ
Spiritseer

Elites
1 Fire Dragons

Troops
1 -6 Wraithguard w/ D Scythe

or some


Dire Avengers w/ Wave Serpent


H. Support
WraithKnight

ADL w/ Comm Relay



YOU GET A WEBWAY PORTAL

YOU GET A WEBWAY PORTAL

YOU GET A WEBWAY PORTAL

YOU GET A WEBWAY PORTAL

YOU GET A WEBWAY PORTAL

YOU GET A WEBWAY PORTAL


*Everything but the Fire Dragons are Fearless

Hollismason wrote:
Wait can the Coven take Webway portals?!

No.

Yes, they can actually The Haemies can purchase WWP. Just straight up it's in the actual listing in the army book as a option look at the very bottom. They have to take different instruments of pain or something like that.

mercury14 wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Wait can the Coven take Webway portals?!

No.

Yes they can. Look at their entry in the Codex.

I'd rather take 5 hamies and allie in a shadow council for 5 spitiseers all with shriek. Just DS in and delete units with shrieks. Take the armor on one haemi and hope you can find a spot where he can ping the most/best units LD. You just need to find a way to open up armor first turn which isn't easy using the coven supplement as primary.

With 2 cads it becomes easier as eldar can pick up the slack.

Yeah, it's rather brutal unit if you add in Wraithguard w/ D - Scythes and Wraithcannons. I mean you can do it with just a Coven Cad and a Ally.

1 Haemonoculus w/ WWP
1 Iyanden Spiritseer
5 Wraithguard w/ 3 D Scythes, 2 Wraithcannons ( you have to go with this because you really can't shoot 1 unit with 5 templates on a Deep Striking unit , it's difficult sort of )

Total : 365

Not sure what you could use on the Haemy to make it even worse though cause that unit alone will take any other unit off the board. I can't actually think of much that would stand up to getting hit with a Psychic Shriek, plus the cannons plus the templates.

I mean probably a Imperial Knight. A knight could stand up to and something that had Flier.

Haemy gives -1 LD , Spirit Seers Get Psychic Shriek, then you get to hit them with 3 Templates that are AP2 , and 2 Wraithcannon shots.

It is impossible for one unit to use multiple shrieks, unless I am mistaken on pg 24 it says "no unit can attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once per psychic phase".

Some people take a different interpretation to that. It's a very contemptuous debate issue. Best to let it go but yes, if you play that way then it is not possible others do not. Even some of the bigger tournaments lean towards the interpretation that that is a reference to a specific model as there is no such thing as a "psychic unit" excepting individual models or brotherhood. It's a really big debate topic that goes either way. Just play it how your local agrees to play it.


I don't think you even need the Haemy CAD. Just take a Real Space Raider list. There's one that is similar in Army lists that is really good I think.

Rules lawyers but whatever!

Different strokes man.

I actually really like the Dark Eldar army list and rules. I personally thnk people are underselling how powerful that Power from the Pain Chart is and how it will affect their games.


Real Space Raider seems to be where it's at though.

2 Archons
2 Iyanden Spirit Seers
Wraith Guard
Wave Serpents
As many fast attack as you can fit.

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah, it's rather brutal unit if you add in Wraithguard w/ D - Scythes and Wraithcannons. I mean you can do it with just a Coven Cad and a Ally.

1 Haemonoculus w/ WWP

5 Wraithguard w/ 3 D Scythes, 2 Wraithcannons ( you have to go with this because you really can't shoot 1 unit with 5 templates on a Deep Striking unit , it's difficult sort of )

Haemy gives -1 LD...

Two Points:
1) Archron is cheaper and give -2 LD (armor of misery)
2) Wraithguard can't mix and match weapons.

Yeah, there's no real benefit for putting the Haemi in there over the Archon, as obviously the WG can't benefit from the PfP boost. The Archon's also a better shot and a better fighter, and you can kit him out to fulfil whatever role you need fulfilling or, as Matt said, you can just stick with the necessities and he'll be cheaper.

Is anyone else winning a lot with the new codex? I'm 4-0-1 with it.

I beat:
- SM Centstar
- Blood Angel meph/DC (tabled except for a flyer)
- Demon summoning list
- Ork mixed list (tabled)

My draw was to Necrons... Flyers and wraiths... But I was winning until the last turn when lucky maelstrom cards handed him a draw.

Congrats. Also I keep hearing stories like yours that make it sound like the outcome of a Maelstrom game tends to be sorta random.

 CKO wrote:
It is impossible for one unit to use multiple shrieks, unless I am mistaken on pg 24 it says "no unit can attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once per psychic phase".

Yea which is why you run them as 5 units. Shadow counsel just means you get 5 as one HQ but they are all IC's still.

Ok so, time to seriously chime in here. I have had three games with the new codex. Loving it so far. The first game was a real space raid detachment vs eldar jetbikes army of doom. This game a unit of two talos were the stars of the match annihilating all in their path.
The second and third games, I got my hands on the new coven supplement, and it's fantastic! Not as a primary detachment but as a secondary detachment to a primary CAD of dark eldar. The first game I played a mauler fiend and nurgle spawn chaos marine rush army. The second a whitescar biker army with almost 40 bikes at 1500pts.
I have filmed both batreps and will post them up on the YouTube channel, the first one is already up.
A few things have become apparent, I love the two talos in a unit, they are awesome, I can't stress this enough! They rock, but watch out for grav guns . This is the list I was running :

Primary dark eldar CAD
Succubus
5 mandrakes
2x5 kabalites with blasters in venoms with dual cannon
Venom with dual cannon
5scourge haywire blaster
Razorwing with lances
Ravager with lances and night shield

Coven detachment
Heamonculus liquifier and wwp
Heamonculus
5 wracks w/liquifier, acothist with liquifier
3 grotesques, liquifier in a raider with a lance and night shields
2 talos in one unit.

1500pts

Still needs some fine tuning, but I have had a lot of fun with this list. I'm not sold on the ravager or the wracks. But the coven units with their pfp rules and their -1 leadership bubble is awesome!
As always, play testing is the true test.

 SisterSydney wrote:
Congrats. Also I keep hearing stories like yours that make it sound like the outcome of a Maelstrom game tends to be sorta random.

Yes the down side is that objectives can be a bit random but 40k is much better with Maelstrom. Maelstrom is a far more dynamic, interesting way to play 40k that punishes sitting and castling and rewards lists that can get out and make things happen. It also encourages CC and forces player to make more interesting choices.

Ah good catch on Wraith Guard. I didn't realize that.

Yes, the Archon is kind of a better choice over the Haemy to go with the Wraithguard as he can get a blaster and the Armour of Misery.Armour of misery works amazingly well I'm sure with Psychic Shriek and Terrify both from Telepathy.

Plus you get the Court of the Archon for each one which is pretty amazing.


For Mixing and Matching ...

What would you give a Autarch to go with a Reaver Jetbike Squad?

Laser Lance, jet bike, banshee mask.
5 S6 attacks at AP3, along with 2D6 or 3D6 S6 impact hits.

Would he benefit from the squad's hit and run special rule? Wait how does a Autarch get 2D6 or 3D6 impact hits O_o.

Hollismason wrote:
Would he benefit from the squad's hit and run special rule? Wait how does a Autarch get 2D6 or 3D6 impact hits O_o.

He would indeed benefit. 2D6/3D6 rending HoW hits comes from the 2 or 3 Reaver models that you would give Cluster Caltrops to. I would also recoment taking a Fusion Gun on the Autarch and a couple special wepons on the Reavers as well. If you tank wounds on the Autarch's 3+/4++ you wont have to jink.

I wish you could put a DE Archon on a jetbike....

 SisterSydney wrote:
I wish you could put a DE Archon on a jetbike....

We used to be able to way back when :/

That was forever and a day ago, though

 Thor665 wrote:
That was forever and a day ago, though

I know, takes me back every time

 SkaredCast wrote:
Ok so, time to seriously chime in here. I have had three games with the new codex. Loving it so far. The first game was a real space raid detachment vs eldar jetbikes army of doom. This game a unit of two talos were the stars of the match annihilating all in their path.
The second and third games, I got my hands on the new coven supplement, and it's fantastic! Not as a primary detachment but as a secondary detachment to a primary CAD of dark eldar. The first game I played a mauler fiend and nurgle spawn chaos marine rush army. The second a whitescar biker army with almost 40 bikes at 1500pts.
I have filmed both batreps and will post them up on the YouTube channel, the first one is already up.
A few things have become apparent, I love the two talos in a unit, they are awesome, I can't stress this enough! They rock, but watch out for grav guns . This is the list I was running :

Primary dark eldar CAD
Succubus
5 mandrakes
2x5 kabalites with blasters in venoms with dual cannon
Venom with dual cannon
5scourge haywire blaster
Razorwing with lances
Ravager with lances and night shield

Coven detachment
Heamonculus liquifier and wwp
Heamonculus
5 wracks w/liquifier, acothist with liquifier
3 grotesques, liquifier in a raider with a lance and night shields
2 talos in one unit.

1500pts

Still needs some fine tuning, but I have had a lot of fun with this list. I'm not sold on the ravager or the wracks. But the coven units with their pfp rules and their -1 leadership bubble is awesome!
As always, play testing is the true test.

I do enjoy your videos, especially since I am new to Dark Eldar! Congratulations on your win against the Craftworld What sort of missiles did you use for the Razerwing?

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
Laser Lance, jet bike, banshee mask.
5 S6 attacks at AP3, along with 2D6 or 3D6 S6 impact hits.

That sounds like a fun unit to play indeed. Great idea!

It's actually not that expensive really. Plus honestly he already comes stock with hay wire grenades which is amazing because you know he has grenades.

So this is the load out suggested above

Autarch w/ Banshee Mask, Laser Lance, Fusion Gun

Reapers x9 w/ 3 Caltrops, 3 Heat Lances( 219)

Total : 329 (9)
Total : 256 (6)

So if it did not jink you'd get , 3 ST6 AP2 , 1 ST8 AP2 (all melta) , then followed by 6 ST4 Rending HOW, then 3D6 ST 6 Rending. Then the Autarch w/ his 5 ST6 attacks and they'd be at -5 so he'd probably go before them, with 6 it'd be 2D6.

It's a legitimate way to get a really decent HtH combat guy in with the reavers.

man the reavers just seem so disgusting.... why is this DE book soooooo freaking cool.... that and the conven stuff.... grrrrr must resist!!!