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Yeah he's actually a great CC unit and just utility unit that you can add to the army and can go with almost every troop type.

Has anyone thought of using the coven book as the primary CAD, then the DE codex as secondary and bombing your opponent with multiple 20 man units of warriors with attached hammies from the coven CAD? I figure you are getting to put them where you want…they'll start fearless (thanks to the pFp chart the Haemonculus would be using), they would also start with 5+ FNP because he adds to their own PFP chart. 3-4 of these units would be very durable and tough to move. That's a lot of rapid fire poison on the turn you arrive..and it can contain 4 dark light weapons (five if you want to spend the points on a sybarite with blast pistol). Pepper in some other cool stuff and maybe this would be worth trying.

I thought of something like this

Urien
Haemonoculus w/ WWP
Haemonoculus w/ WWP
Haemonoculus w/ WWP

Elites
5 Grotesques
Raider
5 Grotesques
Raider

Allied

Dark Eldar

Archon w/ Armour of Misery , WWP

Elites
Incubi

Troops
15 Wyches
15 Wyches

Fast Attacke
12 Reaver Jetbikes w/ Caltrops

H. Support
Void Raven Bomber

You just got no way to manipulate the Reserve Rolls which kind of sucks. Actually I just purchased some Dark Eldar stuff, few grotesques and some warriors to get started, my friend has some models already, I just like the way the army plays. It's interesting and to me more a tactical army other than point and clikc which is something the Dark Eldar have been before in 3rd.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
Has anyone thought of using the coven book as the primary CAD, then the DE codex as secondary and bombing your opponent with multiple 20 man units of warriors with attached hammies from the coven CAD? I figure you are getting to put them where you want…they'll start fearless (thanks to the pFp chart the Haemonculus would be using), they would also start with 5+ FNP because he adds to their own PFP chart. 3-4 of these units would be very durable and tough to move. That's a lot of rapid fire poison on the turn you arrive..and it can contain 4 dark light weapons (five if you want to spend the points on a sybarite with blast pistol). Pepper in some other cool stuff and maybe this would be worth trying.

You mean, add 105 points to the cost of a unit for the webway?
I don't think Warriors bring enough to the table to justify adding 105 points to their unit.






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 BoomWolf wrote:
Whats with this autarch being pushed everywhere?
Just to arrive a bit sooner more reliably you are spending SO many points x_x

Autarch on a bike is a great purchase for a combat oriented squad of jetbikes.
95 points for 3+/4++, reserve modifications and 5 S6 AP3 attacks on the charge.

Why don't people give him the Shard of Anaris instead? Isn't that the like 40 point crazy weapon?

Hollismason wrote:

Kind of curious why people who take bare bone Archons w/ Webway don't just take a Succubus for 15 points more. Succubus get's access to WWP.

Assuming you are taking both naked, neither of them are very good at doing anything so 15 points is a big deal. Once you start adding equipment and defining the role of your HQ you can start to ague one over another. A common package is Archon + wwp + blaster which is a shooting specialist who is better than a similarly equipped succubus. If you are instead going to equip an agonizer on your archon you can make the argument that a succubus is a better melee fighter and worth the extra 15 point.

I dunno she gets combat drugs and comes with a 4+ invulnerable in CC. That's my reasoning on why she's worth the 15 points.

Doesn't get access to Arcane wargear but does get access to AP2 and she does get access to Artefacts of Cruelty.

That's a pretty big deal.

Succubus gets Artefacts of Kewlness Cruelty in my copy....

Yeah got them backwards but yeah, she doesn't get a blaster but still she get's the WWP, and is actually good. is close combat. I wouldn't complain about a 4+ invulnerable and a 5+ FNP. That's not like TERRIBLE BAD.

The lack of Shadowfield is the big loss for the Succubus in my book. If she got that, it'd be no question, but... 2++ is really good. :p

Hollismason wrote:
Why don't people give him the Shard of Anaris instead? Isn't that the like 40 point crazy weapon?

Shard is 40 points for fearless. The rest of the stats aren't super, so it really depends on what unit the autarch is going in and why. Instead you could just put Grisly trophies on a few transports and get more broad utility. Soulshrive is 10 points cheaper, AP2, master crafted and gains +1 str every time you cause a wound with it. With the autarchs high # attacks, very reliably gets to S5 after one round of combat, and shoots up quicker with each subsequent round.

You see shard a lot because of needing fearless to protect incredibly large point sink units, and then usually on farseers for whom there's no real change in combat output. Reavers are cheap enough to gamble relying on the Autarch's LD 10, especially with a few trophies in the army. At that point, why not make him a BAMF killing machine?

Ah okay yeah I wasn't sure on what exactly is the best CC load out. Fear could be good but notreally neccessary. If you were making say a "foot" slogging Autarch what would you be taking?I think you could make actually a all fearless army with Iyanden + Grotesquirie / Haemonoculus coven.

There's something there. I dunno what. It sure has hell wouldn't be a large model army though.

Anyone else notice that the Orbs of Despair are really good? S8 AP2, blast, ID, single use grenade. Great way to kill a MC.

mercury14 wrote:
Anyone else notice that the Orbs of Despair are really good? S8 AP2, blast, ID, single use grenade. Great way to kill a MC.

My copy of the Coven Dex says they are 8' range, Strength 1, AP2, and are not single use.

 Sasori wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Anyone else notice that the Orbs of Despair are really good? S8 AP2, blast, ID, single use grenade. Great way to kill a MC.

My copy of the Coven Dex says they are 8' range, Strength 1, AP2, and are not single use.

Um, yeah I was reading that (badly) wrong.

Strength 1 wounds a Fire Warrior on a 6. How is this relic useful at all?

Protip:

You mean, add 105 points to the cost of a unit for the webway?
I don't think Warriors bring enough to the table to justify adding 105 points to their unit.

I don't agree. I think it's something worth exploring. 4 units + full dark light upgrades + hammys is only 1380pts. In a 2k list that gives you plenty of points left to spend on other killy stuff. But that's 84 models that aren't going to run, and can shrug off significant damage..can tarpit…all placed exactly where you'd want them. To me, that is what they "bring to the table". Just the amount of poison output alone makes it worth pursuing. :shrug: Add in other threats and I think the idea has validity. If you choose to only run 3 units…that's even more points that can be spent to bring other threats to the table.

"Freakish Spectacle: Enemy units within 12" of one or more models from this Detachment suffer a -1 penalty to their Leadership value."

Sooo..... it's a -1 LD "from this detachment". Now what about my other coven detachments and formations that give me the same thing? I think it would stack, right?

It would indeed stack unless it states that it doesn't.

 SHUPPET wrote:
It would indeed stack unless it states that it doesn't.

So... A few cheap Scalpel Squadron Venoms w/wracks deep striking turn one, force a bunch of Ld 5 tests?

Also... Does the venom have freakish spectacle too?

Yes, the vehicles are units from that detachment so they do give the -1. I dunno about the whole multiple instances stacking with themselves.

I think you could just use two Dark Artisans, deep strike that in and go to fething town.

the Grotesquerie is like 600 points so that's a thing to consider.

Grotesquerie is 280 points base (2x3 grotesques and haemonculus).
Are you thinking of the 5 Talos formation?

Double Dark Artisans is likely to get Double Dark Artisans banned. You're going to have to feel out your meta, but if you start to spam the same formation again and again, you might have trouble with how the meta changes army construction rules.

No, I was thinking the Grotesquirie, in terms of 5 Grotesques, Raider , 5 Grotesques, Urien.

Although you can make it cheaper but not really, cause you need some way to get the Grotesques there so it's either WWP or Raider.

The Scalpel formation is the one that's super interesting, D3 victory points for First Blood, plus the ability to just not start on the board with anything except them and a ADL w/ Commlink.

Coven ld modifier doesnt stack I believe it says one or more models within 12.

 CKO wrote:
Coven ld modifier doesnt stack I believe it says one or more models within 12.

One or more, from that detachment.
Then you'd have another, from another detachment; and another from another detachment. @230 points per 2 venoms and 2x5 wracks, you could deep strike in a bubble of Ld-4 and start breaking units with the venoms shooting.




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Hollismason wrote:
No, I was thinking the Grotesquirie, in terms of 5 Grotesques, Raider , 5 Grotesques, Urien.

Although you can make it cheaper but not really, cause you need some way to get the Grotesques there so it's either WWP or Raider.

The Scalpel formation is the one that's super interesting, D3 victory points for First Blood, plus the ability to just not start on the board with anything except them and a ADL w/ Commlink.

Urien won't fit in the raider with the Grots.
I'd go 2x3 with normal haemonculus (in raiders) and taking it multiple times.

Uriel really like riding in the safety of the allied wave serpent. Gives him a bigger bubble of +1 pain, and keeps him a hell of a lot safer.

-Matt

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
One or more, from that detachment.
Then you'd have another, from another detachment; and another from another detachment. @230 points per 2 venoms and 2x5 wracks, you could deep strike in a bubble of Ld-4 and start breaking units with the venoms shooting.

You would get the -4 ld, but you would have to pay for 8 haemonculus right?

Does Dark Artisan and the Coven suppliment ld effects stack? (-2 ld)

I am wondering how does our melee rank compared to other armies? Has anyone broken down our units and figured out what common melee units they can and can not go up against? Possibly more important, who can a Succubus/archon accept a challenge from and who should you deny one from?

 CKO wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
One or more, from that detachment.
Then you'd have another, from another detachment; and another from another detachment. @230 points per 2 venoms and 2x5 wracks, you could deep strike in a bubble of Ld-4 and start breaking units with the venoms shooting.

You would get the -4 ld, but you would have to pay for 8 haemonculus right?

Does Dark Artisan and the Coven suppliment ld effects stack? (-2 ld)

Nope, no haemis in that detachment. You still need a CAD in the list just not in the Scalpel Squadron. It's just 2x (Wracks in a Venom).

Where did you get the idea you need a CAD in the list?

You can, technically, have a list without one.

Or a list with multiple CAD detachments, each form another codex (yes, that's perfectly legal.)

So we can just field a bunch of scalpel squadrons with no HQ?