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for 30k not 40k

Custodes: Unit 1-3 60pts each, HQ unit cost: 125
WS 6 BS5 S5 T5 W2 I5 A3 LD 10 Sv 2+/5++
Wargear: guardian spear. str +1/+2 melee ap 3/2 Holy weapon, precision strike, 2 handed
Holy weapon: when fighting any models with the Deamon or psyker rules the weapon gains the murderous strike and fleshbane special rules.
Range 24" str4 ap5 assault 3
Special rules: Fearless, Fear, Boltstorm (6 to wound is ap2) Blade dancers, Lions amongst wolves, precision strike, precision shot
Lions amongst wolves: this unit can never be joined by any characters for any reason
Blade dancers: At the start of the fight sub phase you may choose to use one of the following special rules, this applies untill the begining of the next fight sub phase.
Defencive: -2 attacks +2 to invunerable save, eternal warrior.
Offencive: Rending +d3 attacks, -1 to invunerable save, +1 WS
Options: may upgrade guardian spear to guardian sword for no points cost, if done the shooting attack is lost, however if useing the defencive stand the - to attacks does not apply, if offensive then the -1 to invunerable does not apply.

Argul Tal: Lord of the Gal Vorbak, the Favoured Son Points 220
HQ
Jump Infantry (idependent character)
WS 7 BS 5 S5 T5 W4 I6 A5 LD10 Sv 2+/4++
Wargear: Guardian spear, Guardian Sword, Bolt pistol, frag and krak grenades, Jump pack.
Special rules: Deamon, Fear, Precision strikes, Fearless, Bulky, Rage, Rending, Damned, Deep strike, Fated.
Guardian Weapons: Counts as paired weapons (additional attack included in profile)
Melee: Str +1 ap2, Murderous strike, Dance of blades
Range 24" str4 ap5 assault 3, Boltstorm (6 to wound is ap2 and autowounds)

 Matthew wrote:
No, I mean a smaller version of an Imperial Knight. Not a Dreadnought. Something half the size of an Imperial Knight, but bigger than a Dread.

Oh, and it'd still be super-heavy and stomp stuff to death! GW approved.

 koooaei wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
No, I mean a smaller version of an Imperial Knight. Not a Dreadnought. Something half the size of an Imperial Knight, but bigger than a Dread.

Oh, and it'd still be super-heavy and stomp stuff to death! GW approved.

An image of a Dreadnought sized model trying to stomp a dreadknight appeared in my mind when you said that.

 koooaei wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
No, I mean a smaller version of an Imperial Knight. Not a Dreadnought. Something half the size of an Imperial Knight, but bigger than a Dread.

Oh, and it'd still be super-heavy and stomp stuff to death! GW approved.

And Orks will get one too, for roughly the same cost, but it is not super heavy...that way it is fair.

BTW, koooaei, the Grot Diversionist's are sweet, I would use them all the time...probably.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:


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 Filch wrote:
how much points should a squadron of small drone flyers be with heavy bolters and malefic ammo cost? like blight drone but cheaper and numerous.

or 1 big gunship like fire rapter,it has 8 quad bolters and malefic ammo?

hell, can csm get malefic ammo for heavy bolter havocs?

Can't remember what the malific amo upgrade costs, but a 2hull point av10 all around flyer without skimmer and has the daemon and a twin linked heavy bolter costs50 points. Malefic ammo would probably put it at around 60

Oh ok.

WS4 BS4 F10 S10 R10 HP2 Flyer, hover, 1 twin linked heavy bolter 50pts can add malefic ammmo for 10pts, can add up to 4 more per 50pts and add 10pts for maelfic ammo per model. Is this any good? Can the price be reduced if it was not twin linked? 5pts less?

What would win, 5 of these at 300pts or an imperial knight?

I think massive long range rending shots are what I need to fight super heavies, wave serpents, hordes, and vehicles.

 Filch wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:


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 Filch wrote:
how much points should a squadron of small drone flyers be with heavy bolters and malefic ammo cost? like blight drone but cheaper and numerous.

or 1 big gunship like fire rapter,it has 8 quad bolters and malefic ammo?

hell, can csm get malefic ammo for heavy bolter havocs?

Can't remember what the malific amo upgrade costs, but a 2hull point av10 all around flyer without skimmer and has the daemon and a twin linked heavy bolter costs50 points. Malefic ammo would probably put it at around 60

Oh ok.

WS4 BS4 F10 S10 R10 HP2 Flyer, hover, 1 twin linked heavy bolter 50pts can add malefic ammmo for 10pts, can add up to 4 more per 50pts and add 10pts for maelfic ammo per model. Is this any good? Can the price be reduced if it was not twin linked? 5pts less?

What would win, 5 of these at 300pts or an imperial knight?

I think massive long range rending shots are what I need to fight super heavies, wave serpents, hordes, and vehicles.

Daemon rule drops them to WS/bs3, dropping twinlinked would indeed lower them by 5 points, an imperial knight would very hard to drop with them, but they could late GAM scatter and take objectives all over the place.

How about this: Honoured Fallen, kind off like a Marine who, after being defeated in combat, is instead of being put in a Dreadnought are taken to these machines, who look like smaller versions of the Imperial Knights that the Mechanicus usually build. Only three of these are built for each chapter, to honour their fallen heroes.
WS BS S Fa Sa Ra I A Hp - 150 points?
4 4 5 13 12 11 4 1 4

Must choose between Honoured Castigator and Honoured Flamestorm
Wargear: Castigator Bolt Cannon (Castigator), Flamestorm Cannon (Flamestorm), 1 Heavy Bolter, Ion Shield
May take: Another Heavy Bolter - 10 Points

So better armour, hull points, vastly better guns and an ion shield over a dread but with a very minor points increase?

Ah. Right, just wanted a small IK.

 Matthew wrote:
Ah. Right, just wanted a small IK.

Hah, all must admit their defeat in the face of TACTICAL GENIUS!!!

That magnificient bastard, that tacical geniu-CREEEEEEEEEEED

 Matthew wrote:
That magnificient bastard, that tacical geniu-CREEEEEEEEEEED

Never forget it. *exalted*

Ooh. This thread reminds me of the good ol' Firstborn Avatar.

I wonder how he'd hold up in 7th?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Ooh. This thread reminds me of the good ol' Firstborn Avatar.

I wonder how he'd hold up in 7th?

He's a beast in CC, but he'll probably die before he ever gets there.


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Speaking Gargantuan Creatures, what did you think of my Void Dragon stats?( Just realized no one commented on it )
I was going for the C'Tan equiv of an Imperator Titan in Apoc.

which weapon can do rending the best? in terms of volume of shots and range not by strength and the platform in consideration?

 Geemoney wrote:

BTW, koooaei, the Grot Diversionist's are sweet, I would use them all the time...probably.

Thanks! I just like grots. They're awesome. I think they deserve much more variety. Like snipaz and megagrots.

Filch
4484 2ccfbbac7f0eb469e83b1a5bf3ba0e03.jpg wrote:which weapon can do rending the best? in terms of volume of shots and range not by strength and the platform in consideration?

The best weapon I can think of to GIVE rending to, would be the scatter laser. Best rending weapon I can think of off the top of my head is the assaultcannon.

 Filch wrote:
which weapon can do rending the best? in terms of volume of shots and range not by strength and the platform in consideration?

Pask's punisher.

How much would it cost to take the hunters lame aa gun and add it to the (much better) stalker as an additional aa weapon?

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
How much would it cost to take the hunters lame aa gun and add it to the (much better) stalker as an additional aa weapon?

The chassis for rhinos is 30points, so math that down, and you'll be about right.

All these cultist bikes and the like, it smells of a Mad Max themed army...

"Mad Max gets religion" was the explicit theme for the homebrew Frateris militia units in my Sororitas fandex/expandex: the Confessor can ride a chariot like Lord Humungous, the bikers count as cavalry so you can slaughter them more easily, the transports are welded together monstrosities based off Ork Trukks and War Wagons....

mine is a conversion of a SM predator.

Relic Executor Pattern Predator - 250 Points

main gun:
Executor Gatling

Range 24", S5 AP-, Heavy 2d20 (yep, read that one right), Unstable*

*Unstable: Depending on the number of shots rolled, unique effects will come into play. consult following table:
2: Jam ("weapon destroyed" result, no shots fired)
3-20: resolve shots as normal.
21-30: gain the pinning USR
31-39: out of ammo (resolve shots as normal, with pinning USR. the cannon cannot fire again for the rest of the game)
40: catastrophic barrel meltdown (weapon destoyed and not repairable, no shots fired, lose a hull point)

side sponsons: assault cannons.
options: regular SM vehicle options.



might seem stupid OP due to number of shots, but it is almost guaranteed to malfunction quickly and costs quite a bit (full cost of a LR...), while not being more resilient than a regular predator, so i think that evens it out.

(note its not for serious games, just in games with my friends)

So... It will decimate any units and light vehicles. Nice.

off topic from above. say if i wanted to homebrew a special weapon mounted on vehicles which is 8 laser guns jury rigged together to provide 8 shots at 24" or 16 shots at 12" at Strength 3 ap -, ehat should its cost be?

if i wanted a usr yo make it deadly what should it be and what is the additional cost?
for example how do you justify it having rending?

 Matthew wrote:
So... It will decimate any units and light vehicles. Nice.

sarcasm, right?

what do you suggest if you think its OP?

No sarcasm, no. Maybe a bit underpriced.

 Matthew wrote:
No sarcasm, no. Maybe a bit underpriced.

edit: confused threads.

so, what do you suggest? 350?

 FistusMaximus wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
No sarcasm, no. Maybe a bit underpriced.

edit: confused threads.

so, what do you suggest? 350?

Nah, more like 300. It's like a normal Dakka Pred, but with more firapowa.

250 is already 20 points more expensive than the fully kitted out paskisher, who has by FAR better armour, same BS, is more reliable, and has rending and preferred enemy. so i can't really see how 250 is unfair for the predator.