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 TalonZahn wrote:
It funded in like 22 minutes and doubled that about 5 minutes later.

I like having just one pledge level.

Can't wait to see what the Add-ons / Stretch Goals are.

I'm a KS noob. Do KS's usually have additional content (and pledge levels?) added later? If I pledge my $100 now, do I get all future revealed add-ons included? I did notice they added the Fox Clan since I last checked. Or will any new subsequent reveals mean new pledges as well?

you can add to your pledge during and sometimes after the campaign, during helps to reach stretch goals. All you do is modify how much you want to pay if you want some stretch goals that are paid add ons. As with most Cool mini or not kickstarters expect a ton of paid add ons as the campaign goes on.

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:
Do KS's usually have additional content (and pledge levels?) added later?

If I pledge my $100 now, do I get all future revealed add-ons included?

I did notice they added the Fox Clan since I last checked.

Yes, additional content is very typical for a CMoN KS. New pledge levels are not so common, especially not for a CMoN KS.

Yes, you will get ALL of the "included" stretch goal items as part of the $100 pledge. Just look at the big picture on the Campaign tab, and it tells you what you'll get.

Yup, up to 6 Players in the KS edition.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Yes, you will get ALL of the "included" stretch goal items as part of the $100 pledge. Just look at the big picture on the Campaign tab, and it tells you what you'll get.

right, I know that, re: the what you get pic. But I mean, is it guaranteed that, say in like 2 weeks, they reveal some new unit expansion for all Clans. Will it be included w/ my $100? Or does that depend on if CMON decides to have be in the "included" stretch goal items? I suppose there is no answer until it happens... Just curious how common or plausible that sort of thing is.


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thanks for the other answers

There's no way to tell. In some CMoN games, those are included; in others, you'd have to pay. You'll just have to wait and see what unlocks.

My understanding is that the map has 6 regions, so 6 Clans is the preferred target, but CMoN was prepared to ship a minimum of 5 Clans as their minimally viable game. It's entirely possible that they do an exclusive 7th Clan that you'd have to buy if you wanted it, like the they did in Blood Rage.

Definitely going to keep my eye on this one, models look gorgeous. I haven't played Blood Rage, so I have no real knowledge of how this game would function, but can anyone back my suspicion that it might appeal to some friends who enjoy Settlers of Catan?

Fafnir, if this is as close to Blood Rage as it looks (fairly, not completely close), your Catan buddies will love it, assuming they don't totally hate the prospect of conflict in games.

Eric's designs are at the cutting edge of the combination of Eurogame design principles (Catan style) with Thematic Game (aka Ameritrash*) themes (war and mythology and fantasy) and near-wargame levels of lavish components. Blood Rage will give you all the tactical and strategic depth of the best Euros, and play in an hour or so also like the best contemporary Euros. Thanks to the "honour is more important than life" morality that comes from both the Viking and feudal Japanese cultures, you also get a similar level of interplayer conflict to the most wargamiest of wargames, but with strategic options to allow you to benefit from having your own forces wiped out so long as they die with honour. This means there is no player elimination (often an issue with thematic games) and somewhat less of an issue with one player racing ahead of the others and becoming unstoppable (potentially a problem of both thematic games and Eurogames).

*Ameritrash is an older, potentially derogatory but not used that way here, still probably better-known, term for the big, often complex, often long-playing-time, component-heavy, conflict-driven thematic games.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Fafnir, if this is as close to Blood Rage as it looks (fairly, not completely close), your Catan buddies will love it, assuming they don't totally hate the prospect of conflict in games.

My friends and I exist basically for the sole purpose of conflict. This is a good thing.

*Ameritrash is an older, potentially derogatory but not used that way here, still probably better-known, term for the big, often complex, often long-playing-time, component-heavy, conflict-driven thematic games.

So... Warhammer.

 Fafnir wrote:
My friends and I exist basically for the sole purpose of conflict. This is a good thing.

Sounds like a good fit. Rising Sun has an Alliance mechanic, but that only means betrayal. See the Alliance KS update.

CMON blog has some gameplay info, and the rule book should be posted sometime during the KS.
http://cmon.com/news/rising-sun-now-on-kickstarter

For me, the issue is that this really isn't a wargame. At all. And yet the minis are so nice.

If I had unlimited time, I'd make a skirmish battle game from this.

I've used my Blood Rage minis in Frostgrave, Song of Blades and Heroes, and Kings of War, so far, and will likely do the same with my Rising Sun minis.

Thanks for the pointer. Quick question, what's the difference between Frostgrave and Song of Blades and Heroes? Does either ruleset jump out to you as a more natural fit for small Mordheim-scale skirmish battles?

I really like the Frostgrave rules, but the spellcasters are very much the focus of your warband. There's a variant version coming out this year where they are replaced with supernatural warriors, but there will still be a few extra powerful models at the core. I haven't played SoBaH but from what I understand it is very generic (in a good way) and less hero focused.

 Fafnir wrote:
Definitely going to keep my eye on this one, models look gorgeous. I haven't played Blood Rage, so I have no real knowledge of how this game would function, but can anyone back my suspicion that it might appeal to some friends who enjoy Settlers of Catan?

Anyone with a shared background in boardgaming and miniature wargaming should absolutely love BloodRage. It's basically the best mix of both. My boardgaming group, however, has no patience for rulers and buckets of dices. They do love Catan, Pandemic and Blood Rage, and they already know they'll love Rising Sun.

So... Warhammer.

Technically, no, because miniature wargaming isn't the same as wargaming-boardgames. Think more Risk, Axis and Allies or Memoir 42.

For the vast majority of boardgamers, GW doesn't even register on the radar. They haven't really done anything since the 1990's to change that perception.

True ameritrash would be something like Imperial Assault. A good game, fun, but with an emphasis on production value rather than rule dynamics, such as, let's say, Catan or Bruges.

I'm pretty much in the same boat. Want a war game, not a diplomacy game. I thought CMON's Dogs of War did a pretty good job at being a nasty political backstabbing war game.

In regards to other rules to use this stuff with, vanilla Song of Blades and Heroes lets you take any figure you own and either match it up with premade stat blocks for a variety of fantasy tropes, or use their warband generator and make your own custom characters.

There's campaigns and all sorts of extra bells and whistles to add on top of that, but vanilla plays pretty well.

Advanced Song kicks it up a notch and adds reactions and more defensive abilities, and has started to have some interesting expansion rules show up.

I still prefer the vanilla one as its quick to play and with some imagination you can stat up just about any model you own.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
For me, the issue is that this really isn't a wargame. At all. And yet the minis are so nice.

If I had unlimited time, I'd make a skirmish battle game from this.

Daisho is pretty much perfect for these figures. I intend to use it for skirmish action with my Rising Sun minis.

Based on the same rules as In Her Majesty's Name, which are solid and fun.

Just a suggestion.
~Eric

ecurtz wrote:
I really like the Frostgrave rules, but the spellcasters are very much the focus of your warband.

Thanks, probably not the best match for these minis.
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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm pretty much in the same boat. Want a war game, not a diplomacy game.

vanilla Song of Blades and Heroes lets you take any figure you own and either match it up with premade stat blocks for a variety of fantasy tropes, or use their warband generator and make your own custom characters.

Thanks very much, this is a much better match. I'll have to check it out.
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Thanks for the pointer, Taarnak

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
*Ameritrash is an older, potentially derogatory but not used that way here, still probably better-known, term for the big, often complex, often long-playing-time, component-heavy, conflict-driven thematic games.

should start calling it Amerithrash!

Amerithrash works for me.

Yeah, SoBH or ASoBH would be my go-to for the Rising Sun minis. Frostgrave has a bit of a slightly more civilised Viking / northern European early medieval vibe to the art and such already. Plus I had the Mystics expansion free via the Blood Rage KS, and FG also has a Javelineer soldier option which again Blood Rage fitted nicely.

Both Song variants are fine games, pretty easy to learn and quick to play. The Basic one doens't have masses of flavour but that's a feature rather than a bug -- at that kind of scale you really don't care about the difference between a katana and a bastard sword, say.

That said, FG with a Winter Japan-themed board and minis would be beautiful, I think. The wizards are indeed the focus, but a warband of 10 is generally one wizard, one apprentice, and eight warriors. I suspect you could get two warbands, with soldiers of your choice and some wandering monsters, just from the KS Rising Sun box, and have some left over, so long as you didn't mind mixing and matching clans in one warband.

There's a new update with a $50 expansion for Chinese themed clans and Adrian Smith's take on the Seven Immortals. Dat Moon Clan! The expansion gives my fantasy army some much-needed HQ choices, making it a must buy.. Thank goodness it's only $60 at retail, though, because $50 would jump my pledge from 'better to ask forgiveness' to 'there will be no forgiveness'.


Suggested MSRP is fairly stable for CMON, right? They're not going to Poots it up to $85 or something?

The $60 MSRP will hold, so I'd plan on $48 at Brookhurst, before CA tax.

A shame that most local socal game shops aren't able to compete with the online shops when it comes to heavy discounts. I'd much rather buy this stuff in person than online if the prices were comparable.

As soon as I saw that moon clan I knew that Inquisitor Bob wouldn't be able to resist!

CMON's starting to make some efforts for retail. At least with RS, retailers have a retailer's pledge, which includes exclusives that, I guess, the OLGS will not have. Contact your local retailer and ask them to support the retail pledge!

Do we know what the retailer's exclusives are yet?

They can buy the sets with the same extras available on KS. Pricing is 40% less (I think) and they are required to sell them as complete packages at the KS price.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

A shame that most local socal game shops aren't able to compete with the online shops when it comes to heavy discounts. I'd much rather buy this stuff in person than online if the prices were comparable.

As soon as I saw that moon clan I knew that Inquisitor Bob wouldn't be able to resist!

I can't tell if your first comment is serious or a jab at GW.

The second comment...how could I?

I'm totally serious. Brookhurst and Pegasus, the most local stores for me, while they have some pretty nice discounts on hobby- related items (Pegasus especially has some great prices for GW stuff), have no real discounts to speak of on board games or components for them when compared to shops like Miniature Market.

Also why hasn't anyone posted the latest goals?

Brookhurst is funny because they offer discounts on some wargame products and not others, as well as a 20% discount for most items that have to be special ordered. So, if they have a boardgame in stock, it will cost more than if they have to order it specially for you.

That Amaterasu mini looks wonderful, although I'm already pondering head and weapon swaps...

TBF, Brookhurst isnt a BG shop, they're a models shop that happens to sell BGs.

ETA - the Kami are really nice.

Ooh, Amaterasu does look good. She even has the Imperial Regalia. Nice touch. Should've been a wolf, but I won't hold that against them.