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Sad Panda wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I thought Sad Panda... 'suggested' it would be Magnus/Angron/Fulgrim for team evil and Guilliman/Leman Russ for team Imperium?

At least to start with...

Though Dorn in a centurion suit would amuse me.

No. I only know of one other not-FW primarch in the pipeline. He'll be "Team Imperium" and part of setting up the story for 8th.

There may be more I simply haven't heard about, but as with Daemonkin, I can assure you that there is no plan to go through the four Chaos Gods with symmetrical releases. That's not how the 40K story evolution for the next year or so (from the tiny bits I know) is set up.

Cheers Sad Panda! Your the best.

Disappointing to know that Slaanesh fans still have to wait awhile before it's our turn, but excellent on you for clearing that up.

Honestly I see no issue here, since the days of Epic so around 1991, the Daemon Primarchs have been showing up in the mortal realms for sufficiently major battles.

As long as the rules are OK (big, big IF) it should be fine.

And as someone had in their sig back in the day, "Even the Avatar must learn to fear the lascannon"

Inferring from Sad panda's comments, it seems we will not have a deluge of primarchs in 40k, maybe 2 or so a year. It seems that Gw has a 5, 10 or even more years plan for the story of 40k. (P.s. No Aos tidbits Sad Panda? Feeling a bit left out from the 40k rumour party?)

 Moopy wrote:

Requizen wrote:
This thread is full of the most ridiculous doomsaying and rambling I've seen in a long time.

Agreed

Fallout from AoS. The WHFB endtimes gave the net collective PTSD that i don't think will ever go away.


As for Magnus, if i had to hazard a guess for pricing, no more than what you are paying for a Wraithknight. If it got into archason or IK territory i wouldnt even consider buying it.

Sad Panda wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I thought Sad Panda... 'suggested' it would be Magnus/Angron/Fulgrim for team evil and Guilliman/Leman Russ for team Imperium?

At least to start with...

Though Dorn in a centurion suit would amuse me.

No. I only know of one other not-FW primarch in the pipeline. He'll be "Team Imperium" and part of setting up the story for 8th.

There may be more I simply haven't heard about, but as with Daemonkin, I can assure you that there is no plan to go through the four Chaos Gods with symmetrical releases. That's not how the 40K story evolution for the next year or so (from the tiny bits I know) is set up.

By the God-Emprah, the hype is so fething real right now!

I don't even care with Loyalist Primarch shows up, it can even be Guilliman rising from his "coffin" as long as we start getting them

I'm really interested in his stats, mastery level most of all. I mean the man is a demi-god enhanced with Daemonic powers. He was a more powerful psyker than Malcador the Sigillite which was able to hide an entire moon just with his psychic powers. To put him on the same mastery level as his Legion's (weakened) chief librarian Azhek Ahriman would be preposterous so he's got to be more than 4 right?

For game balance purposes they obviously can't make his mastery level ridiculously high but I'd wager 6 to be the minimum depending on how much he costs to field.

My first guess would be that the upcoming Loyalist Primarch is Russ. He makes the most sense given that we are getting Magnus. Guilliman would certainly make sense as well, since he is the poster boy primarch. I would also count the Lion as a possibility. He is living, fully-healed, and ready to go. The thing with the Lion and Gilligan is that they would just be larger Space Marines. Russ offers the possibility of a Wulfen. Or a giant Thunderwolf.

I wouldn't count on any of the other Loyalist Primarchs edging those three. Sanguinius is dead, otherwise he would be the fourth possibility.

IIRC Sad Panda nfortunately stated that it's not Russ :(

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My first guess would be that the upcoming Loyalist Primarch is Russ. He makes the most sense given that we are getting Magnus. Guilliman would certainly make sense as well, since he is the poster boy primarch. I would also count the Lion as a possibility. He is living, fully-healed, and ready to go. The thing with the Lion and Gilligan is that they would just be larger Space Marines. Russ offers the possibility of a Wulfen. Or a giant Thunderwolf.

I wouldn't count on any of the other Loyalist Primarchs edging those three. Sanguinius is dead, otherwise he would be the fourth possibility.

Am I correct the Lion El Johnson is the only confirmed living loyalist primarch?

Obviously the 40k verse allows for reincarnation, cloning, time travel etc, but I think Lion is the only one who could step out of the closet tomorrow and go to war.

That being said a Ghost Primarch would be pretty cool.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My first guess would be that the upcoming Loyalist Primarch is Russ. He makes the most sense given that we are getting Magnus. Guilliman would certainly make sense as well, since he is the poster boy primarch. I would also count the Lion as a possibility. He is living, fully-healed, and ready to go. The thing with the Lion and Gilligan is that they would just be larger Space Marines. Russ offers the possibility of a Wulfen. Or a giant Thunderwolf.

I wouldn't count on any of the other Loyalist Primarchs edging those three. Sanguinius is dead, otherwise he would be the fourth possibility.

Jaghatai Khan should be more than ready to go, if I'm not mistaken his ship got lost in the Warp, so it would be a case of him popping out of it. The main problem I see with this, is how low he must be in the "Fan Favorite Loyalist Primarchs" list. I'd say Guilliman since Ultramarines ARE the poster boys.

Yeah the Lion makes the most sense in my mind since the Rock (and therefore the Lion) is currently in the Fenris system, and that's where Magnus is going to show up (given the fluff we have about the whole Curse of Fenris plotline being a Thousand Sons scheme).

Also a Grey Knight, Space Wolf, Dark Angel and the Changling are currently wandering around his slumber place...

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My first guess would be that the upcoming Loyalist Primarch is Russ. He makes the most sense given that we are getting Magnus. Guilliman would certainly make sense as well, since he is the poster boy primarch. I would also count the Lion as a possibility. He is living, fully-healed, and ready to go. The thing with the Lion and Gilligan is that they would just be larger Space Marines. Russ offers the possibility of a Wulfen. Or a giant Thunderwolf.

I wouldn't count on any of the other Loyalist Primarchs edging those three. Sanguinius is dead, otherwise he would be the fourth possibility.

Jaghatai Khan should be more than ready to go, if I'm not mistaken his ship got lost in the Warp, so it would be a case of him popping out of it. The main problem I see with this, is how low he must be in the "Fan Favorite Loyalist Primarchs" list. I'd say Guilliman since Ultramarines ARE the poster boys.

The Khan went traversing into the web way chasing some Dark Eldar raiders, so I figured he comes back I expect the Dark Eldar will b einvolved in the campaign somehow. Maybe at the head of an ex slave army, popping out of a webway portal that ship dove brought reinforcements?

Of course, there is some Chaos shenanigans going down a tree Chogoris, so there could be a campaign about it eventually.

Besides, a jet bike riding primarch would be a good variation compared to the relatively normal Guilliman and Lion El'Jonson.

Another vote for the lion. It makes sense to do a mini that forgeworld have not done yet.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Am I correct the Lion El Johnson is the only confirmed living loyalist primarch?

Please correct me if there is info I dont know about but aren't we left with these:

Vulkan - Living but playing Hide-n-Seek with the Sallies.
Khan - Missing, presumed living as a prisoner of Dark Eldar or the Museum Necron?
Lion - Sleeping in a hidden chamber on the Rock.
Russ - Missing, presumed to return when stuff is all fethed up.
Guilliame(sp?) - Sleeping off a mortal wound...or just seconds from death depending who you ask.
Corax - Missing, presumed writing sad poetry. No records of death, just a big disappearance and reverberating "Nevermore" right?
Dorn - Presumed dead due to hand being located. Possibility for return with bad-ass prosthetic.
Ferrus - Dead-dead. So dead.
Sanguinius - Dead-dead. "Don't talk %#$# about my beloved Hawkboy."

So really only 2.5 Primarchs are really dead enough to not come back.
Personally I wanna see a badass Vulkan in a mega-powersuit style armour. But that is just me.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
but I think Lion is the only one who could step out of the closet tomorrow and go to war.

I see what you did there.

 Vain wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Am I correct the Lion El Johnson is the only confirmed living loyalist primarch?

Please correct me if there is info I dont know about but aren't we left with these:

Vulkan - Living but playing Hide-n-Seek with the Sallies.
Khan - Missing, presumed living as a prisoner of Dark Eldar or the Museum Necron?
Lion - Sleeping in a hidden chamber on the Rock.
Russ - Missing, presumed to return when stuff is all fethed up.
Guilliame(sp?) - Sleeping off a mortal wound...or just seconds from death depending who you ask.
Corax - Missing, presumed writing sad poetry. No records of death, just a big disappearance and reverberating "Nevermore" right?
Dorn - Presumed dead due to hand being located. Possibility for return with bad-ass prosthetic.
Ferrus - Dead-dead. So dead.
Sanguinius - Dead-dead. "Don't talk %#$# about my beloved Hawkboy."

So really only 2.5 Primarchs are really dead enough to not come back.
Personally I wanna see a badass Vulkan in a mega-powersuit style armour. But that is just me.

For all of the Primarchs (with a tongue in cheek joke to incite a meltdown) I broke it down on another forum as the following, not sure how accurate it is but to my knowledge it's something like:

Loyalist

Guilliman - in stasis with a slashed neck but fluff states that it appears to be miraculously healing itself
Lion - asleep under The Rock, think there's some prophecy to do with the Lion Sword and Cypher
Leman Russ - buggered off into The Warp but promised he'd back for WOLF TIME
Vulkan - not sure what happened to him post Heresy but if Salamanders find all his relics he's said to be returned also potentially being held by a Necron
Corax - sailed off into the Eye of Terror quoting Edgar Allen Poe
Khan - went into the Eye of Terror, rumoured to be somewhere on the impossible to spell Dark Eldar kink city

Traitor

Magnus - big incorporeal cyclops Tzeentch daemon prince
Angron - big narky Khorne daemon prince
Mortarion - big stinky Nurgle daemon prince
Fulgrim - big tentacle porn Slaanesh daemon prince
Perturabo - daemon prince of Lego undivided
Lorgar - daemon prince of Chaos undivided

Dead

Horus - dead as a parrott
Sanguinius - dead as a duck
Ferrus Mannus - dead at Istvaan V
Curze - reportedly killed of screen, resurrection via retcon possible
Rogal Dorn - died off screen, some resurrection rumours floating about
Alpharius - I am Alpharius

Missing Primarchs

Nagash
Sigmar

Lion or Dorn maybe? The first is resting but just a step out of the door away from re-entering the universe and technically has a full legion at hand ready to go to war.

Dorn was rumored (in fluff) leading the Custodes in 40k, if I had to bet, it would be him. Who is stopped by a missing hand in the 41st Millennium? Who is in the 21st century?

Based on SP's exclusion of Russ and (I may have misunderstood him) all Primarchs FW already released models for, there arent many left GW could release first.

Don't know if it has been missed but Atia mentioned Mortarion in the comments on her blog [i've skipped a few bits of this thread due to the moaning]. So there might be another Traitor primarch on its way.
Maybe the Lion returning to the story- woken up by the proximity of Magnus showing up on/near Fenris? I thought Russ would have been the obvious foil, shame Panda has ruled that out for now. It will be interesting what returning Primarchs might bring with them if it was one of the lost ones. Russ and Khan both had forces with them when they disappeared?

The Lion makes the most sense. If Magnus is there to do to Fenris what Russ did to Prospero, and the Rock is right there, as per Fenris Part 1, then the The Lion is the most logical choice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Lion makes the most sense. If Magnus is there to do to Fenris what Russ did to Prospero, and the Rock is right there, as per Fenris Part 1, then the The Lion is the most logical choice.

When does GW ever make sense especially when it comes to 40k?

The Lion saving Fenris would also be a neat resolution to the Dark Angels/Space Wolves feud.

Meeeh, truly not the model I was hoping for for the Thousand Sons centerpiece.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Meeeh, truly not the model I was hoping for for the Thousand Sons centerpiece.

He's a Daemon-Primarch. Not sure how you can get more of a centerpiece than that lol.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Meeeh, truly not the model I was hoping for for the Thousand Sons centerpiece.

He's a Daemon-Primarch. Not sure how you can get more of a centerpiece than that lol.

Doomfire Bomber, Silver Tower, you name it. But I meant I didn't much like the model, that's all. He could at least have a flaming mane instead of that stupid 80s punk rock hair. At least he nipple horns look easy enough to cut off and replace with some gems or something.

I don't remember where, but someone was saying that GW might take over part of 30k production after the success of Betrayal at Calth. It would be interesting to see The Lion get a plastic sculpt but also 30k rules and be a "bridge" between the GW and FW 30k stuff.

Maybe it's Omegon? He'll return to lead the Alpha Legion (rumored to be operating in the vicinity of Fenris) as Alpharius and the Grey Knights (who show up whenever there's a daemon primarch sighting) as Janus.

Its going to be Dorn is his cute centurion armour.

I like the sound of The Lion waking and pulling his legion together, that would have major ramifications. Since he's the heir apparent, who would stand in his way?

To be fair, in the current system magnus would be fine at mastery level 4. To make him superior to the other lvl 4 psykers they could then allow him to choose his spells and maybe allow him to harness on a 2+/3+ in addition. Although making him masterly lvl 6 would kind of have the same effect if you stick to one discipline, this would truly allow you to build your dream psyker. Then roll iron arm, warp speed, precognition and whatever else you feel like and make him live up to his stature.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 foostick wrote:
The hypothetical scenario I refer to is a massive retooling of everything that takes us from our current 11:59:00 setting on the clock to the one where some of the overly negative posters on here are conviced is going to leave us at 11:59:59 with the Emperor dead and everyone else dead and buried.

The above is possible, though unlikely in my opinion. To continue the clock analogy I imagine we're about to see the setting jump one or two second forward to 11:59:02. So we're not at one whole minute to midnight, more like 58 seconds.

But I don't want my setting to advance to 11:59:02! That will ruin everything! I like my 40k firmly rooted at 11:58:00, the most metal of all minutes to midnight.

Just putting this out there, but from personal experience: do you know what's scarier than a time bomb that reaches zero and goes off? -The one that doesn't. I think people need to consider the possibility that the proverbial clock reaching zero is a prelude to something else. Just as the fall of Rome saw the rise of a Holy Roman Empire and an Eastern Empire we could see something similar evolve the setting; where it doesn't mean the end of humanity, just the end of the Emperors dream for it.