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 nintura wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
I learned a few pretty cool things today about the future of 40k that I can't keep to myself but must keep the source identity as anonymous as he is a part of the design team...

Spoiler:

Next primarch release is Guiliman in a sort of dreadnight suit. Following him will be Ferrus! In short, his spirit lived on in the machine, so somehow he was cloned and is genetically reborn on Mars. Following those two is demon mortation.

The general jist is that ALL major primarchs are on there way back with the exception of Horus, Sanguinius, Curze etc.

It'll be a final seige on Terra and the next campaign will build up to the demon primarchs breaking in to the emperors throne room and confronting the man himself before the lights go out. No clue what happens after that!

In terms of rules for the next edition, all that was said was that scatter dice would be a thing of the past.

Sooooo why do they stop with 1 clone and not just do a whole army?

I think it'll be clearer why when a writer explains it but my understanding was the the soul or spirit of Ferrus was transferred into this new body. So that's why there is only one, because there was only one spirit.

But that doesn't even make sense. That would mean his spirit has to be attached to his body the entire time. And what happens when there's multiple body parts? how did they attach his spirit? How did they control it, or keep it?

It'll be clearer when they explain it, I only caught/ understood a bit of what was said as not a reader of the fluff just like the story progression in bite size pieces!

What are the books that tell the whole story of this? I want to get them so I can read.

 Lockark wrote:

 Lou_Cypher wrote:
Disappointment or 'Does not live up to your personal expectations?'

All the 1kson/tzeentch mortal stuff looks good and he even listed pretty much all of it as good formations in that article. TBH I'm prety sure love for 1ksons/Tzeetch Mortals is what most players cared the most about.

Okay, when some one tells you something is good that doesn't mean its good.

Next you have to look at how you can implement the actual rules. If you have to pay 2000+ points in models to get a rule that adds a tiny bit of durability to your already overpriced army then its not good. If you can cast extra spells but have no way to generate extra charges so you can cast those spells then its worthless.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 Lou_Cypher wrote:
Disappointment or 'Does not live up to your personal expectations?'

All the 1kson/tzeentch mortal stuff looks good and he even listed pretty much all of it as good formations in that article. TBH I'm prety sure love for 1ksons/Tzeetch Mortals is what most players cared the most about.

Okay, when some one tells you something is good that doesn't mean its good.

Next you have to look at how you can implement the actual rules. If you have to pay 2000+ points in models to get a rule that adds a tiny bit of durability to your already overpriced army then its not good. If you can cast extra spells but have no way to generate extra charges so you can cast those spells then its worthless.

okay, when someone tells you something is bad, that doesn't mean its bad. like, seriously ~

Pretty lame how its always oh this army isn't instawin in the tourney scene so it sucks.


Personally i think the rules are neat, the army sounds like a lot of fun to play, and the models are just amazing.

Sounds like I get to field a bunch of pimp looking marines, my favorite line of daemons, and have all sorts of crazy psyker stuff going on. Toss in some cool FW IA13 units for fun. Love it, this is the first army that has me even considering not playing an imperial army.

As for the horrors, I'm not concerned. They are weak as hell, without seeing the rules, if I am understanding this, we don't know if they make new units or not, or if they still get to spawn if the unit is wiped? either way they are weak units, smash them all with templates or high rate of fire weapons, or just ignore the horrors. Ive been forced to ignore much more dangerous units than some pink horrors and did ok.

we gave invisible death stars and gak rolling around but respawning pink horrors goes too far? haha cmon guys.

criddopher wrote:
Pretty lame how its always oh this army isn't instawin in the tourney scene so it sucks.


Personally i think the rules are neat, the army sounds like a lot of fun to play, and the models are just amazing.

Sounds like I get to field a bunch of pimp looking marines, my favorite line of daemons, and have all sorts of crazy psyker stuff going on. Toss in some cool FW IA13 units for fun. Love it, this is the first army that has me even considering not playing an imperial army.

As for the horrors, I'm not concerned. They are weak as hell, without seeing the rules, if I am understanding this, we don't know if they make new units or not, or if they still get to spawn if the unit is wiped? either way they are weak units, smash them all with templates or high rate of fire weapons, or just ignore the horrors. Ive been forced to ignore much more dangerous units than some pink horrors and did ok.

we gave invisible death stars and gak rolling around but respawning pink horrors goes too far? haha cmon guys.

What if someone starts spawning invisible pink horrors.

criddopher wrote:
Pretty lame how its always oh this army isn't instawin in the tourney scene so it sucks.


Personally i think the rules are neat, the army sounds like a lot of fun to play, and the models are just amazing.

Sounds like I get to field a bunch of pimp looking marines, my favorite line of daemons, and have all sorts of crazy psyker stuff going on. Toss in some cool FW IA13 units for fun. Love it, this is the first army that has me even considering not playing an imperial army.

As for the horrors, I'm not concerned. They are weak as hell, without seeing the rules, if I am understanding this, we don't know if they make new units or not, or if they still get to spawn if the unit is wiped? either way they are weak units, smash them all with templates or high rate of fire weapons, or just ignore the horrors. Ive been forced to ignore much more dangerous units than some pink horrors and did ok.

we gave invisible death stars and gak rolling around but respawning pink horrors goes too far? haha cmon guys.

the horrors are actually quiet stunning. blue horrors are T and S 2, brimstone horrors are T and S 1 but have 2 wounds (yeah most stuff does instakill them but poison for instance doesnt.)
at the end every phase when a unit of pink horrors loses models, it spawns a new unit of blue horrors with 2 blue horrors per dead pink horror.
at the end every phase when a unit of blue horrors loses models, it spawns a new unit of brimstone horrors with 1 brimstone horror per dead blue horror.
that means if any horror unit does not get instantly killed in a single phase, it can spawn multiple new units.
all 3 horror types are brotherhoof of psykers. have a 5+ invulernable save aswell as daemon of tzeentch. meaning you can put them in a ruin for example to camp a objective, go to ground (daemons can, they are not fearless) for a 3++ with rerollable 1's.
every dead horror per phase, spawns additional mission objective holders and generate more warpcharges.

now imagine those guys in a Combined arms detatchment, with objective secured.
even if a deathstar manages to kill a single horror unit per turn. it still has to kill a total of 3 horror units per pink horror unit. and we are talking about best case scenario here for the deathstar.

Loki old fart, that would actually be bad most likely for the horror player haha

Souba it's "quite" not "quiet" =P

This release sounds awesome and a ton of fun so far! Although as I'm suoer picky about mould lines and take forever to build models, if horrors are the most competitive list I will be sad =[

Pretty lame how its always oh this army isn't instawin in the tourney scene so it sucks.
Personally i think the rules are neat, the army sounds like a lot of fun to play, and the models are just amazing.

My thoughts exactly. Look, if you're a really competitive player I get this might be a bit of a dissapointment. For me, it's basically a dream come true. New Tzeentch disciplines, stunning models, and loads of fun new toys. The whole pink horrors thing is ridiculous, I'll admit, but if they're played as an ally to CSM (that is, one unit of em), the whole multiplication thing might be a laugh.

All in all, a great release, one that's going to give me a lot of great stuff to paint, and an insufferably long psychic phase. Look forward to it!

so its true

LightKing wrote:
so its true

Spoiler:

Guilliman in a Dreadnaught suit, and Ferrus in a dreadnaught suit as well are the first two loyalist to come back?

It's now rumoured, not necessarily true.

 ImAGeek wrote:

LightKing wrote:
so its true

Spoiler:

Guilliman in a Dreadnaught suit, and Ferrus in a dreadnaught suit as well are the first two loyalist to come back?

It's now rumoured, not necessarily true.

Noctem wrote:
Souba it's "quite" not "quiet" =P

Actually I think it might be spelled "quit".

Noctem wrote:
Loki old fart, that would actually be bad most likely for the horror player haha

Souba it's "quite" not "quiet" =P

This release sounds awesome and a ton of fun so far! Although as I'm suoer picky about mould lines and take forever to build models, if horrors are the most competitive list I will be sad =[

ah forgive me, its late. i am tired. spelling errors might happen from time to time then

where are people seeing rules?

LightKing wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

LightKing wrote:
so its true

Spoiler:

Guilliman in a Dreadnaught suit, and Ferrus in a dreadnaught suit as well are the first two loyalist to come back?

It's now rumoured, not necessarily true.

Spoiler:

The Guilliman part sounds ok to me, the Ferrus part sounds completely stupid

All of this sounds like garbage. Despite one of the rumors being about my chosen legion's primarch, it just doesn't jive. It sounds like another one of Mat Ward's wet dreams.

So what is the wording on the 'split' rule for horrors? Do blue horrors created from one pink horror unit have to go in one unit of their own or can you split them up to aquire several extra WC per round of enemy shooting?

I can see this getting rediculous with people doubling the WC they started off with, leading to crazy shenanigans with Ahriman firing off 3 SD psychic attacks per turn AND passing those powers on a 3+ AND supported by Magnus who passes on a 2+ and fires his own SD/throws round buffs. (If Magnus had Ahriman's rule for witchfires then he would be one of the most op units in the game)


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eosgreen wrote:
where are people seeing rules?

A google docs page, it is linked two pages ago.

 mrhappyface wrote:
So what is the wording on the 'split' rule for horrors? Do blue horrors created from one pink horror unit have to go in one unit of their own or can you split them up to aquire several extra WC per round of enemy shooting?

I can see this getting rediculous with people doubling the WC they started off with, leading to crazy shenanigans with Ahriman firing off 3 SD psychic attacks per turn AND passing those powers on a 3+ AND supported by Magnus who passes on a 2+ and fires his own SD/throws round buffs. (If Magnus had Ahriman's rule for witchfires then he would be one of the most op units in the game)

If I am correct, the rules state that a new unit is created each turn. So the Blue Horrors are placed into a new unit - with more added to said unit every phase they are killed. This begins a new with the next turn.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 Lou_Cypher wrote:
Disappointment or 'Does not live up to your personal expectations?'

Disappointment. Occult Termies are 50 PPM which is the same cost of Paladins that have 2 wounds Rubric Marines are still overpriced, and have "upgrades" which consist of them becomes walking enemy upgrades for the almost terminator cost of 30 PPM.

Let me repeat that for 30 points you get a SnP model with an assault weapon that has an 8" range, that has worse AP then the standard weapon, a 3+ armor save, and a single wound. It is literally a 7 point DOWNGRADE.

Dude, Stop Complaining
I have to Pay 30ppm for a 2W T4 Model with a 5+ save and FnP and all they have is an AP5 Rending Weapon with a +2S Unwieldy Power Sword OR a +3S Unwieldy AP2 Weapon
AND NO RANGED WEAPONS

 blood reaper wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
So what is the wording on the 'split' rule for horrors? Do blue horrors created from one pink horror unit have to go in one unit of their own or can you split them up to aquire several extra WC per round of enemy shooting?

I can see this getting rediculous with people doubling the WC they started off with, leading to crazy shenanigans with Ahriman firing off 3 SD psychic attacks per turn AND passing those powers on a 3+ AND supported by Magnus who passes on a 2+ and fires his own SD/throws round buffs. (If Magnus had Ahriman's rule for witchfires then he would be one of the most op units in the game)

If I am correct, the rules state that a new unit is created each turn. So the Blue Horrors are placed into a new unit - with more added to said unit every phase they are killed. This begins a new with the next turn.

If an existing unit of the proper type of horrors is within 6" they join that unit, otherwise they become a new unit.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
So what is the wording on the 'split' rule for horrors? Do blue horrors created from one pink horror unit have to go in one unit of their own or can you split them up to aquire several extra WC per round of enemy shooting?

I can see this getting rediculous with people doubling the WC they started off with, leading to crazy shenanigans with Ahriman firing off 3 SD psychic attacks per turn AND passing those powers on a 3+ AND supported by Magnus who passes on a 2+ and fires his own SD/throws round buffs. (If Magnus had Ahriman's rule for witchfires then he would be one of the most op units in the game)

If I am correct, the rules state that a new unit is created each turn. So the Blue Horrors are placed into a new unit - with more added to said unit every phase they are killed. This begins a new with the next turn.

If an existing unit of the proper type of horrors is within 6" they join that unit, otherwise they become a new unit.

It's still pretty ridiculous - especially as the new unit is made up of an even larger number of more expensive models - which are even more fragile than the last - and will spawn a larger number of even more expensive models. While it sounds nice in theory, the game simply isn't build to accommodate such features in it's current state.

I thought Mat Ward left GW, is he still in charge of the fluff?

 Wilson wrote:
I learned a few pretty cool things today about the future of 40k that I can't keep to myself but must keep the source identity as anonymous as he is a part of the design team...

Spoiler:

Next primarch release is Guiliman in a sort of dreadnight suit. Following him will be Ferrus! In short, his spirit lived on in the machine, so somehow he was cloned and is genetically reborn on Mars. Following those two is demon mortation.

The general jist is that ALL major primarchs are on there way back with the exception of Horus, Sanguinius, Curze etc.

It'll be a final seige on Terra and the next campaign will build up to the demon primarchs breaking in to the emperors throne room and confronting the man himself before the lights go out. No clue what happens after that!

In terms of rules for the next edition, all that was said was that scatter dice would be a thing of the past.

Are the xenos factions just getting pushed to the side next year then?

LightKing wrote:
I thought Mat Ward left GW, is he still in charge of the fluff?

He works there on a freelance consultant basis. Not on the books.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
I learned a few pretty cool things today about the future of 40k that I can't keep to myself but must keep the source identity as anonymous as he is a part of the design team...

Spoiler:

Next primarch release is Guiliman in a sort of dreadnight suit. Following him will be Ferrus! In short, his spirit lived on in the machine, so somehow he was cloned and is genetically reborn on Mars. Following those two is demon mortation.

The general jist is that ALL major primarchs are on there way back with the exception of Horus, Sanguinius, Curze etc.

It'll be a final seige on Terra and the next campaign will build up to the demon primarchs breaking in to the emperors throne room and confronting the man himself before the lights go out. No clue what happens after that!

In terms of rules for the next edition, all that was said was that scatter dice would be a thing of the past.

Are the xenos factions just getting pushed to the side next year then?

Nah, the Eldar will get a new meta-breaking update.

Jetbikes will now be able to take 2 scatter lasers each and if they do so they both become twin-linked for free!

I really hope the 'Guilinaught' rumour is a load of BS. Sounds super-stupid.

 Wilson wrote:
I learned a few pretty cool things today about the future of 40k that I can't keep to myself but must keep the source identity as anonymous as he is a part of the design team...

Spoiler:

Next primarch release is Guiliman in a sort of dreadnight suit. Following him will be Ferrus! In short, his spirit lived on in the machine, so somehow he was cloned and is genetically reborn on Mars. Following those two is demon mortation.

The general jist is that ALL major primarchs are on there way back with the exception of Horus, Sanguinius, Curze etc.

It'll be a final seige on Terra and the next campaign will build up to the demon primarchs breaking in to the emperors throne room and confronting the man himself before the lights go out. No clue what happens after that!

In terms of rules for the next edition, all that was said was that scatter dice would be a thing of the past.

Welcome to your short-lived and disappointing time on the rumor tracker.

How in God's name is no one talking about massive "jump" units thanks to that relic. Depending on its cost that item is damn magnificent.

 mrhappyface wrote:
So what is the wording on the 'split' rule for horrors? Do blue horrors created from one pink horror unit have to go in one unit of their own or can you split them up to aquire several extra WC per round of enemy shooting?

I can see this getting rediculous with people doubling the WC they started off with, leading to crazy shenanigans with Ahriman firing off 3 SD psychic attacks per turn AND passing those powers on a 3+ AND supported by Magnus who passes on a 2+ and fires his own SD/throws round buffs. (If Magnus had Ahriman's rule for witchfires then he would be one of the most op units in the game)


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eosgreen wrote:
where are people seeing rules?

A google docs page, it is linked two pages ago.

Here ya go. Took these this morning for a Facebook group. And two extras.
No, I don't normally write in my books but it is a review copy and the internet was shouting to hurry up ad spoil.

Be careful people, he's trying to trick us into breaking our own necks in our rush to read his rules!

Seriously, thanks VeteranNoob