Horus Heresy - Burning of Prospero (GW) - SoS 30k rules in upcoming Dec WD

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**Ghaz**

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**JohnHwangDD**

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**kronk**

Why don't they have backpacks for their armor?

**ImAGeek**

Red_Ink_Cat wrote:
Paradigm wrote:
Almost certain. Everything in BaC is out on its own, and Custodes will probably be mighty popular anyway (especially with 40k rules as well).

On an unrelated note, if anyone in the UK is planning to pre-order and wants to offload the Sisters for a reasonable price, please let me know, I'd love to pick up a squad but it'll be a while before I can afford the full BoP set.

I'm hoping for separate releases for both Custodes and Sisters of Silence, but I'm always of the opinion of I'll not bank on it until I see it. I know Custodes should see a separate release, but how likely are Sisters to get the same?

I am also in the boat of wanting to pick up a squad of Sisters if people are planning on offloading them. We already have too many marines to justify buying another huge boxed set with 30 more Tac Marines just for the 5 Custodes and 5 Sisters. (I am under no illusion that people would sell their Custodes - crossing fingers for the separate army/box release for them.)

Just as likely that the Sisters will get a seperate release as the Custodes. They're both full multipart multi-option kits.

**Zywus**

Fango wrote:
I still want to do a Dark Angels Legion in their original black armor, but I am a sucker for MkVI Corvus 'beakie' armor as I first started collecting Space Marines back in the Rogue Trader era of the game. So, I am a bit torn, as I don't really know 'canon-wise' when the armor color change 'officially' happened....and, I'm operating under the assumption that MkVI power armor came post-HH and the breakup of the legions into chapters.

Also, I still hold on fairly strongly to the lore presented in the Deathwing expansion to the original Space Hulk game where the Deathwing started painting their Terminator armor bone-white (and Native American tribe theme, feathers, etc.) after the incident where Cloud Runner and friends liberated their plains-people tribes from the Genestealer infestation on their recruiting world. Was this before or after they changed from black to green? Has this been retconned?

Any of you lore-gurus care to enlighten me on how all of these issues 'line-up' historically in canon?

MK VI armour were available during the heresy. The Raven guard had the most of them and were primarily responsible for the field testing of that mark but it did feature among other legions as well, though in lesser quantities. So you can absolutely use some mark VI in a Dark angels force.

The deathwing incident would most certainly have taken place after the heresy and thus after changing of the armour color to green, which happened in the direct aftermath of the heresy, during the battle of Caliban. Before that, the Dark angels recruited primarily (exclusively?) from Caliban, so the mere fact that Cloud Runner and friends visit their recruiting world is a good indication. Also, genestealer cults generally didn't pop up until well after the heresy was long finished.

**usernamesareannoying**

kronk wrote:
Why don't they have backpacks for their armor?

I don't think standard plate mail requires a reactor...

**kronk**

usernamesareannoying wrote:
kronk wrote:
Why don't they have backpacks for their armor?
I don't think standard plate mail requires a reactor...

But if it's rumored that it's Armor 2+, wouldn't that mean some kind of ceramite armor? Isn't that gak heavy?

**BrookM**

Artificer armour can have built-in generators and whatnot. The Custodes don't have exposed power plants either.

**timd**

jreilly89 wrote:
How do the Custodes work rule wise? Are they another faction like the Deathwatch? Wouldn't mind picking them and the Sisters up for some Allies for my Dark Angels.

Don't think that the Dark Angels would want the Custodes anywhere near their operations...

T

**jreilly89**

timd wrote:
jreilly89 wrote:
How do the Custodes work rule wise? Are they another faction like the Deathwatch? Wouldn't mind picking them and the Sisters up for some Allies for my Dark Angels.

Don't think that the Dark Angels would want the Custodes anywhere near their operations...

T

We're hunting Wulfen, it's fine

**timd**

Fango wrote:
I still want to do a Dark Angels Legion in their original black armor, but I am a sucker for MkVI Corvus 'beakie' armor as I first started collecting Space Marines back in the Rogue Trader era of the game. So, I am a bit torn, as I don't really know 'canon-wise' when the armor color change 'officially' happened....and, I'm operating under the assumption that MkVI power armor came post-HH and the breakup of the legions into chapters.

It happened because of a miscommunication between GW and the artist for the original Space Marine: Epic Battles in the Horus Heresy box. They were supposed to have black armor in the art but somehow they got painted as dark green. Here is a little heresy for ya: Since that box art is specifically for a Horus Heresy product, the Dark Angels had green armor DURING the heresy...

That said, my Dark Angels were painted BEFORE the big boo boo and they will remain black until the end of their days...

Tim

**Fango**

timd wrote:
Fango wrote:
I still want to do a Dark Angels Legion in their original black armor, but I am a sucker for MkVI Corvus 'beakie' armor as I first started collecting Space Marines back in the Rogue Trader era of the game. So, I am a bit torn, as I don't really know 'canon-wise' when the armor color change 'officially' happened....and, I'm operating under the assumption that MkVI power armor came post-HH and the breakup of the legions into chapters.

It happened because of a miscommunication between GW and the artist for the original Space Marine: Epic Battles in the Horus Heresy box. They were supposed to have black armor in the art but somehow they got painted as dark green. Here is a little heresy for ya: Since that box art is specifically for a Horus Heresy product, the Dark Angels had green armor DURING the heresy...

That said, my Dark Angels were painted BEFORE the big boo boo and they will remain black until the end of their days...

Tim

Thanks for that. This is one of my favorite pieces of official 40k art, hands down. They seem have Mk7-style helmets as well.

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**Zywus**

timd wrote:
Fango wrote:
I still want to do a Dark Angels Legion in their original black armor, but I am a sucker for MkVI Corvus 'beakie' armor as I first started collecting Space Marines back in the Rogue Trader era of the game. So, I am a bit torn, as I don't really know 'canon-wise' when the armor color change 'officially' happened....and, I'm operating under the assumption that MkVI power armor came post-HH and the breakup of the legions into chapters.

It happened because of a miscommunication between GW and the artist for the original Space Marine: Epic Battles in the Horus Heresy box. They were supposed to have black armor in the art but somehow they got painted as dark green.

That's the out-of-universe reason. In-universe, they changed color at the end of the heresy, after the siege of terra.

I think it's a rather neat touch to incorporate stuff like that miscommunication into the lore.

**TwilightSparkles**

With the 40k rules for Sisters, I'm interested as to how the fluff is going to be rewritten - we know Custodes still exist in 40k - and we know "blanks" exist but in even rarer numbers. As far as I know there are no 40k era Sisters references ? We know the 40k black ships are crewed by Inquisition / SoB.

With Primarchs coming back I am wondering if we're going to see some time shenanigans going on or the Imperium accessing some heresy era failsafes like the one hinted at in codex grey knights.

**Cephalobeard**

Well... I intend on buying up quite a few Custodes once this drops, depending on the rules.

Keep me in mind when you decide to buy, folks.

**casvalremdeikun**

Looks like I will be needing 30 Boarding Shields to make my Breachers. Luckily there is a nice Shapeways site that sells them for $18 USD for 10 shields. That is less than half of what Forgeworld charges.

**Frozen Ocean**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
Speaking of books, which HH novels go with the Prospero box? Obviously Prospero Burns. Any others?

And which - if any - go with Betrayal at Calth?

Know No Fear is the first Calth book, and A Thousand Sons is the good Prospero book.

If you think Space Wolf minis have gotten silly, just wait until you read Abnett's Prospero Burns, an attempt to distance Space Wolves from their slightly campy William King days by going full Batman and Robin over-the-top stupid.

Do you think the boardgame will contain wet leopards, and will they be growling?

**jah-joshua**

Prospero Burns was a great read!!!
it made the Wolves look proper badass...
i like both books...
A Thousand Sons is from the Prospero side, and Prospero Burns is from the Fenris side...
both give a great look into the culture of each Legion, and their planets...
very informative novels, in my opinion, and i would recommend reading both just for the background they provide

cheers
jah

**BobtheInquisitor**

Frozen Ocean wrote:

Do you think the boardgame will contain wet leopards, and will they be growling?

Damn, that got me. I'd buy the hell out of the wet leopards just to laugh like that again.

Now I need to found a new space marine chapter... or maybe I can repurpose my Steel Panthers.

**NivlacSupreme**

The next board game should contain plastic thunder warriors and saturnine terminator armor. And the Emperor. and the 2 lost primarchs.

**Carlovonsexron**

I would actually love a unification of Terra board game, along with Saturnine guards or power armor

**H.B.M.C.**

Ok, secured my set (hopefully) along with a set of Calth.

60 Marines... what will I do with those?

**casvalremdeikun**

I have my name on the list for Burning of Prospero and I have three Mk IV Tactical Squads on their way. My Imperial Fists will be up and running soon. I hope the Custodes rules are good. I am thinking I will make a few with the sword/shield and a few with the spear. I still can't fully decide what I want to do with the Sisters of Silence. I really need to see more of their models to make a decision. I will be selling off Ahriman. I want to keep the cool looking Wolf Lord though.

**kodos**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
We know the 40k black ships are crewed by Inquisition / SoB.

No, Black Ships are crewed with SoS, Soros have nothing to do with that. So Special re-writing needed because they are still there

60 Marines... what will I do with those?

I will use mine to replace the old CSM models from my Thousand Sons army (classic metal rubic helmets with mkIII will look nice)

**Jamie24**

Seeing this follow up box for the Horus Heresy and it becoming even more popular amongst players/ collectors. I'm very much in anticipation of another Horus Heresy box set next year containing the standard legion specific 2 characters, the rumoured new jet bikes x3, plastic javelin attack speeder x1, x30 MK6 armour marines possibly the box would/could be based on Alpha Legion vs Raven Guard?

I'm really hoping on something along these lines, will be perfect to boost my alpha legion force..

What are people's thoughts?

J

**JohnnyHell**

If the next game was Emperor, Sanguinius and Horus I'd buy it, even if the gameplay was just a straight copy of the White Dwarf Horus vs Emprah on the battle barge game. Especially as me and my brother played that more times than any other GW game - it was amazing fun!

**angelofvengeance**

Jamie24 wrote:
Seeing this follow up box for the Horus Heresy and it becoming even more popular amongst players/ collectors. I'm very much in anticipation of another Horus Heresy box set next year containing the standard legion specific 2 characters, the rumoured new jet bikes x3, plastic javelin attack speeder x1, x30 MK6 armour marines possibly the box would/could be based on Alpha Legion vs Raven Guard?

I'm really hoping on something along these lines, will be perfect to boost my alpha legion force..

What are people's thoughts?

J

I think we should wait til Sad Panda/atia pipes up. Til then that rumour is salty at best.

**Davor**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok, secured my set (hopefully) along with a set of Calth.

60 Marines... what will I do with those?

Hopefully you were able to get a discount on them. I hate to see how much that would cost you if you paid full price. As for 60 marines, what chapter are you looking at and is it 30K or 40K you going to make them into?

**Jamie24**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Jamie24 wrote:
Seeing this follow up box for the Horus Heresy and it becoming even more popular amongst players/ collectors. I'm very much in anticipation of another Horus Heresy box set next year containing the standard legion specific 2 characters, the rumoured new jet bikes x3, plastic javelin attack speeder x1, x30 MK6 armour marines possibly the box would/could be based on Alpha Legion vs Raven Guard?

I'm really hoping on something along these lines, will be perfect to boost my alpha legion force..

What are people's thoughts?

J

I think we should wait til Sad Panda/atia pipes up. Til then that rumour is salty at best.

Even if it was a plastic version of the Scimitar jet bikes that would still be cool...

**Mr Morden**

kodos wrote:
TwilightSparkles wrote:
We know the 40k black ships are crewed by Inquisition / SoB.

No, Black Ships are crewed with SoS, Soros have nothing to do with that. So Special re-writing needed because they are still there

60 Marines... what will I do with those?

I will use mine to replace the old CSM models from my Thousand Sons army (classic metal rubic helmets with mkIII will look nice)

Rcent fluff and Novels has Inquisitional and Sisters guarding them - no mention of SOS.