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decker_cky wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If anything sums up the ineptitude of GW these past years, it's this.

One of the best tabletop games of all time, beloved by the community, and by all accounts was flying off the shelves, such was its popularity.

Can you imagine Coca Cola pulling the plug on a successful product*, or any other half-decent company acting this way?

No, neither can I....

Space Hulk returns?

It should never have went away...

*by successful product, I mean something that makes a profit after wages and other material costs have been factored in, before somebody tries to get smart by saying that the company could be selling loads but operating at a loss

Is the bolded a joke? You do realize that Coca Cola pulled their signature product and replaced it with the beverage equivalent of Age of Sigmar at one point, right?

What ? What did Coca do ?

Never heard of New Coke?

 godardc wrote:

What ? What did Coca do ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke

Thanks for the link, I had never heard about it. But I'm not even 25, so...

Why are we talking about coke again? Lol

The real question is; is it back forever or just for Christmas? I really want it, and £75 is a great price at today's standards... but how long do I have to get it?

I'm sure it'll be back as long as the latest print run lasts... howbig that was, who knows?

$150? Ouch... guess I'll stick to bugging my friends to pull out their old copies again...

I wonder if it's too much to hope we might get updated rules for hybrids in Space Hulk someday soon?

I might even dare to dream of rules and missions using those new Thousand Sons terminators...

Oh well then that's xmas sorted then.

I own the 2009 version so I'm not interested (as I wasn't in 2014). A reasonable move from GW though.

decker_cky wrote:

Is the bolded a joke? You do realize that Coca Cola pulled their signature product and replaced it with the beverage equivalent of Age of Sigmar at one point, right?

 prowla wrote:

 godardc wrote:

What ? What did Coca do ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke

From the article (slightly "changed"):

"Have you tried it?"
"Yes."
"Did you like it?"
"Yes, but I'll be damned if I'll let Games Workshop know that."

*pours copy of Space Hulk into a storm drain*


I just ordered the new tiles from the last ed of Space Hulk. No real reason to buy it again just for a new hat.

Anyone have a list of the supported Genestealers in the new Overkill rules? Just curious what all I may be missing.

-edit-

It looks like this....

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Genestealer-Cults-Acolyte-and-Neophyte-Hybrids

plus this...

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/acolyte-iconward-2016

Here's hoping I can score a copy before all of the ebay-scum appear and wipe out the stock.

My Blood Angels need their fancy-smancy mono-pose terminator brothers to truly be complete.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If anything sums up the ineptitude of GW these past years, it's this.

One of the best tabletop games of all time, beloved by the community, and by all accounts was flying off the shelves, such was its popularity.

Can you imagine Coca Cola pulling the plug on a successful product*, or any other half-decent company acting this way?

No, neither can I....

Space Hulk returns?

It should never have went away...

*by successful product, I mean something that makes a profit after wages and other material costs have been factored in, before somebody tries to get smart by saying that the company could be selling loads but operating at a loss

Regardless of the coke example, isn't this what MacDonalds do all the time with the Ribwich or whatever it is called. They have it available for a certain amount of time every year and then they stop it. Despite it making money.
By limiting the availability to certain time points they can get a reliable amount of product sold (due to fear of scarcity) and get a nice injection of profit, while not having to hold onto stock for long periods of time taking up space.
Makes sense to me. As a consumer I might not like that it doesn't pander specifically to my needs, but I can understand it easily enough.

jimraynor wrote:
@Matt.Kingsley

but that is not GWs fault.. It's still your gouverments fault with stupid import regularys for goods that are not produced in AU and an overall terrible customs system.

and No there is no conspiracy that GW hates AU and NZ.....

Total taxes on gw's imports into New Zealand is 20%, and the totals taxes they need to pay for selling in the uk is also 20%, which they don't need to pay if they export the product.

Instead of replying to individual comments, I'm going for the general reply approach.

I run a small shop on ebay that buys and sells miniature wargaming products, but I still don't think I'm much of a business man, but even I've heard of things such as 'sales data' and 'market research.'

If GW release 1000 units of product X in November, and by December it's sold out, I'd like to think that lightbulb appears above somebody's head at GW HQ.

I'd also like to think that there would then be some iniative to replicate this success, say with another print run of 500 units as a minimum.

After all, they are looking at sales data? Right?

And even if they were unsure, this thing called market research, where they ask people? might help them out.

A normal company would do that, but what the hell would I know, I just buy and sell for a living

Moratorium releases are a tried and tested format for manufacturers to generate a big quick-win bump of sales and not being left sitting on stock. It's not the same as a store buying stock and restocking if it sells through.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

jimraynor wrote:
@Matt.Kingsley

but that is not GWs fault.. It's still your gouverments fault with stupid import regularys for goods that are not produced in AU and an overall terrible customs system.

and No there is no conspiracy that GW hates AU and NZ.....

Yes, it's the government's fault that this one box is somehow more expensive than other similar items.

Don't feed ignorant trolls. Throw 'em on ignore instead.

...and then import your figs.


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 EnTyme wrote:
GW ends production on product that had been labeled as "Limited Release". Customers complain about GW ending production on successful product. GW begins second production on said product due to an obvious demand for said product. Customers complain that GW lied about the product being "Limited Release". GW ends second production run and the process starts anew.

There's always someone who wants to bitch about any given topic or decision. There's a lot of people here, after all. I've got 3 copies of SH, never planned to scalp them. Quite fething glad it's going back onto general sale so anyone can get hold of it. The game deserves it.


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methebest wrote:

jimraynor wrote:
@Matt.Kingsley

but that is not GWs fault.. It's still your gouverments fault with stupid import regularys for goods that are not produced in AU and an overall terrible customs system.

and No there is no conspiracy that GW hates AU and NZ.....

Total taxes on gw's imports into New Zealand is 20%, and the totals taxes they need to pay for selling in the uk is also 20%, which they don't need to pay if they export the product.

Additionally, GWUK "sell" it to GWNZ (and GWAU) for cents on the dollar. Import taxes are paid on those amounts.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

A normal company would do that, but what the hell would I know, I just buy and sell for a living

And your business dwarf's GW's, of course.

Big companies make half ass mistakes all the time.

Often, they get away with it because they have the money to burn.

Yeah,
I've checked with GW this is the 2014 edition reissued

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
...No real reason to buy it again just for a new hat.

This is correct!
The 20014/16 version have these few extra tiles, that are missing from the 2009 version; that enable a few more missions.


Not worth buying again if you already have the 2009 version.

I have both and did a comparison between them in 2014
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/616056.page


Missions summary from that review.
The new 2014/16 Missions marked in green, use the above tiles and thus are missing from the 2009 edition.

Beachhead (1)
Terminators deploy using boarding torpedoes, the Genestealers start the mission in a dormant state (3 APs).

Suicide Mission (2)
El classico - Flame the Launch control room

Exterminate (3)
Block the genestealer entry points / kill them all!

Rescue (4)
retrieve the C.A.T.

Cleanse & Burn (5)
Flame both techmarine rooms.

Decoy (6)
As many Marines as possible Exit the Map

Alarm Call (7)
Wakey wakey sleepy marines.

Into the Depths (8)
This mission uses the turbo-lift..
The game ends when all living marines are on the second floor...
Both floors have stealer entry points.

score 1 point per marine 3 points for the Librarian on the second floor .
0-3 genestealers win
4-5 draw
6+ SpeshMArines win!

The Artefact (9)
The holy grail.

Escape Route (10)
Run the gauntlet, quickly, GStealers numbers escalate as turn numbers increase..

Regroup (11)
Marines wait for everyone to arrive... then try to exit map.

Hard Vacuum (12)
This mission uses the damaged control room tile and the hard vacuum rule (negative modifier to GS attacks).

No Escape (13)
This mission uses breach counters, there are no regular Genestealer entry points on the map.
Genestealer places the breach entry points pretty much anywhere on the map.
2 breaches are placed at the start of the game.
1 extra breach on turn 4
1 final breach on turn 8

Each Breaches spews forth 1 GeneStealer blips per turn until turn 12.

Breaches can be blocked only by standing on them.

At least 4 marines have to survive until turn 15

Defend (14)
Genestealers want to tear down a wall to breach some ducts... Marines must defend the wall.

Unknown Lifeforms (15)
Retrieve tissue samples from sleeping broodlords ... eek!

Pitfall (16)
Escape the hulk - jump down the garbage chute!




Panic...

I bought the 2009 edition when it firat was released. I looked at the 2014 version, and ordered it when released due to the extra tilea, content, and missions.

I am so glad I ordered the 2014 version. More missions, tiles, and content gives more replay value. Sorry but I disagree, the 2014 is a better value and absolutely worth buying (even if you own the 2009 version). I buy all the white dwarfs with additional content or missions too... if I can add more content to my board games, why wouldn't i?

As someone who loves tiles, I don't see much point in buying the 2014 version when you have the 2009 version. I just ordered the extra tiles.

Spoke to my local gw today they are only getting in one box ! Was pretty passed off lol

Yeah,
The idea of value is subjective.

For me I'd bought again if the 2016 edition had 1 extra mission.
And then probably sold off the remains as a 2009/14 edition.

but the outlay £50- £75 for 1-4 missions is extreme.
So I'm glad they didn't do a minor update as it saves me the effort.

An expansion would be the dream right now!

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
An expansion would be the dream right now!

Given they're back in the game a re-do of Genestealer would be fantastic.

Yeah, right? Seems like perfect timing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Panic wrote:
An expansion would be the dream right now!

Given they're back in the game a re-do of Genestealer would be fantastic.

Yep. I'd pre-order that in an instant. More hybrid minis + More Space Hulk = WIN.

I got the 2014 edition of Space Hulk, and even bought a spare which I still have yet to open, so I'm good on the core set. But even if GW decides Space Hulk is their McRib and only rolls it out around Christmas every couple of years, I think it's a good thing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Panic wrote:
An expansion would be the dream right now!

Given they're back in the game a re-do of Genestealer would be fantastic.

Not to mention Deathwing.

Updates of the tiles from those two expansions, especially the ones from Genestealer (which I own two of 'cause of those tiles) would be amazing.

 Azazelx wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Panic wrote:
An expansion would be the dream right now!

Given they're back in the game a re-do of Genestealer would be fantastic.

Not to mention Deathwing.

One expansion would be enough I guess as most of the rules and 4 missions from Deathwing are in the 3rd/4th edition and the extensive psychic stuff from Genestealer is unnecessary.

But I doubt they'll do an expansion at all - maybe some rules in WD for some of the GSC models and an update of the two Genestealer missions.