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 Verviedi wrote:
And Fires Of Cyraxus will release Summer 2016. I have no faith in announcements of that nature until I have my faction book in my hands.

Yeap FW I just have tons of doubts. I don't even think it will be out this year. Unless Fires o Cyraxus is our index book.

 BrookM wrote:
I just hope they get their heads out of their arses and deliver a print product for once that isn't riddled with typos, missing data or wrong info.

Yeah, really don't need the FAQ being longer than the book…

On a slightly different topic, does anyone else hope they stick to 7th edition rules for 30k?
Or at least 7.5 edition, with mostly the same points, stats and rules, but a few tweaks in gameplay like chargers getting an initiative bonus, unwieldy becoming a negative hit mod, that sort of thing?

So Badab dudes are being covered with the first Space Marine index? Color me excited.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I just hope they get their heads out of their arses and deliver a print product for once that isn't riddled with typos, missing data or wrong info.

Yeah, really don't need the FAQ being longer than the book…

On a slightly different topic, does anyone else hope they stick to 7th edition rules for 30k?
Or at least 7.5 edition, with mostly the same points, stats and rules, but a few tweaks in gameplay like chargers getting an initiative bonus, unwieldy becoming a negative hit mod, that sort of thing?

Not really tbh.
I think that the horus heresy rules made the best of a crappy ruleset.
I think they'd do much better with the current one.
Just thinking of moritats popping pistols into melee gets me all sorts of excited.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I just hope they get their heads out of their arses and deliver a print product for once that isn't riddled with typos, missing data or wrong info.

Yeah, really don't need the FAQ being longer than the book…

Or FW taking half a year to crank out a fething FAQ to begin with..

Fw put much of it's stuff on hold because they knew 8th was launching....

On their site -

Rules for the extensive Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range will be made available in a series of Index books. The first two of these will be available alongside the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, available to pre-order on the 3rd of June. These first two books will cover the forces of the Adeptus Astartes and their traitorous kin.

Rules for all the rest of the Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range, including the myriad xenos races of the galaxy and the massed forces of the Astra Militarum and their accompanying Imperial Agents, will all be appearing in additional Index books that set to be released before the end of June. Every single Warhammer 40,000 miniature that Forge World make today will be covered, as well as a few classic ones. Also included are rules for a few characters who do not yet have a model, such as some heroes and villains of the Badab Wars. On top of that, several units will be made available to factions that never previously had access to them, and on Wednesday this week, we’ll be taking a look at one of them when we see our first Forge World datasheet for the new edition.

For you Horus Heresy fans out there, Forge World will be announcing the future of that game system at Warhammer Fest this weekend. We’ll bring you the news from the event as it breaks, right here on the Warhammer Community site.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Every single Warhammer 40,000 miniature that Forge World make today will be covered, as well as a few classic ones.

Have to wonder what 'classic ones' won't be covered. There are quite a few bits and pieces they don't make anymore.

I hope they are available in Digital

 Verviedi wrote:
And Fires Of Cyraxus will release Summer 2016. I have no faith in announcements of that nature until I have my faction book in my hands.

That was never officially announced, though, was it?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I hope they are available in Digital

This. We got the HH rule books in digital. Anything that pure rules and not a campaign book should get a digital release.

So do you think Mechanicum will still wait for Fires of Cyraxus to get 40k rules, or will they be in one's of these indexes?

I'm genuinely asking that, btw, in case it isn't clear... maybe someone could ask at Warhammer Fest this weekend?

Also looking forward to hearing what they're doing with 30K then

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
And Fires Of Cyraxus will release Summer 2016. I have no faith in announcements of that nature until I have my faction book in my hands.

That was never officially announced, though, was it?

On May 10th, 2016, Fires Of Cyraxus was announced, for "Summer 2016", at WarhammerFest.
It has been 379 days since this occured, according to my timer.


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 RiTides wrote:
So do you think Mechanicum will still wait for Fires of Cyraxus to get 40k rules, or will they be in one's of these indexes?

I'm genuinely asking that, btw, in case it isn't clear... maybe someone could ask at Warhammer Fest this weekend?

Also looking forward to hearing what they're doing with 30K then

Make it so, whoever actually does this. Please do ask about Fires, repeatedly, until FW caves and gives an exact date, table of contents, and handwritten apology letter.

Oh look, it's this again.

 RiTides wrote:
So do you think Mechanicum will still wait for Fires of Cyraxus to get 40k rules, or will they be in one's of these indexes?

I'm genuinely asking that, btw, in case it isn't clear... maybe someone could ask at Warhammer Fest this weekend?

Also looking forward to hearing what they're doing with 30K then

I would fully expect them to get an Index, probably shared with Knights.

 Gamgee wrote:
Can people prod them and ask if they still have plans to release some fires of curaxus models without rules in the interim since it's going to take even longer again to get it made to 8th rules.

Fires is going to be #Full8th, so I don't think we'll see any rules for that soon.

My biggest concern is if Prospero will get a reprint in the current rules...

New Warhammer 40,000: A Forge World Datasheet!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/24/new-warhammer-40000-a-forge-world-datasheet-may24gw-homepage-post-4/

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Can people prod them and ask if they still have plans to release some fires of curaxus models without rules in the interim since it's going to take even longer again to get it made to 8th rules.

Fires is going to be #Full8th, so I don't think we'll see any rules for that soon.

My biggest concern is if Prospero will get a reprint in the current rules...

I know but allegedly they are working on new models for that book for tha Tau. Why wait an entire year to release them or more? Just drop them without rules. More importantly we know a large Tau update is coming next year from Lady Atia. I would like to actually be able to buy all the cool models which is easier if they spread them out instead of just both GW and FW throwing everything out in one narrow window where I can't afford to get everything. Add in money being diverted to Kharadron Overlords army as well and my budget for Tau stuff is thin.

Kind of annoying really.

Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.

Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.

Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.

AP 1 would be AP -4 though, this is something all together different.

And I hope you have an Invuln Save to counter that gun.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.

Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.

AP 1 would be AP -4 though, this is something all together different.

And I hope you have an Invuln Save to counter that gun.

im assuming + sv modifiers from cover and things.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.

Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.

AP 1 would be AP -4 though, this is something all together different.

And I hope you have an Invuln Save to counter that gun.

No, with Ap -4, a 2+ save would become 6+

Makes the Grav flux bombard even nastier than current? Nice!

 Desubot wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.

Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.

AP 1 would be AP -4 though, this is something all together different.
And I hope you have an Invuln Save to counter that gun.

im assuming + sv modifiers from cover and things.

Yeah, this. Basic cover adds +1 Sv and in certain circumstances that can go up, never mind psychic buffs and whatnot.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Wait... -5 AP. What actually gets a save against that?! Anything? Against a tank, it can potentially dish out like 15 damage with no saves?! Jeez.

Its like AP 1 in the current edition, I imagine.

AP 1 would be AP -4 though, this is something all together different.
And I hope you have an Invuln Save to counter that gun.

im assuming + sv modifiers from cover and things.

Yeah, this. Basic cover adds +1 Sv and in certain circumstances that can go up, never mind psychic buffs and whatnot.

But the save can't be improved beyond a 2+ anyhow, unless they allow a 1+ (unlikely). I could just not be understanding the timing of when things are applied. If you get the cover mod after the AP is calculated, sure, because it would drop you from 2+ to nothing and you get a 6+ because the cover bump. However, if it does not modify at that step, you get your modified 2+ armor save with cover, which is still a 2+, which goes away with this gun.

It was an Ignore Cover AP2 gun originally though, but this seems a radical change of the weapon overall.

Does anybody know if the big black heresy books are at an end now? Will we get more in the numbered series, will they be 8th ed compliant or stay with 7th?

 Slinky wrote:
The DKOK Grenadier Squad, which had also been "out of stock" for months has now vanished.

It was the last thing I needed to complete my planned DKOK force, so I may have to trawl eBay :(

The Emperor Children MkII Shoulder Pads are Vanished too.

 Verviedi wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
And Fires Of Cyraxus will release Summer 2016. I have no faith in announcements of that nature until I have my faction book in my hands.

That was never officially announced, though, was it?

On May 10th, 2016, Fires Of Cyraxus was announced, for "Summer 2016", at WarhammerFest.
It has been 379 days since this occured, according to my timer..

I don't remember ever seeing it announced on their website like this, or in an email newsletter, though; that's what I mean by an official announcement. A verbal discussion at Warhammer Fest is a pretty good indication, but plans can (and did) change - by that point they must have known 8th edition was coming.


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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
But the save can't be improved beyond a 2+ anyhow, unless they allow a 1+ (unlikely). I could just not be understanding the timing of when things are applied. If you get the cover mod after the AP is calculated, sure, because it would drop you from 2+ to nothing and you get a 6+ because the cover bump. However, if it does not modify at that step, you get your modified 2+ armor save with cover, which is still a 2+, which goes away with this gun.

It was an Ignore Cover AP2 gun originally though, but this seems a radical change of the weapon overall.

I don't think any "timing" is required; simply add up all the modifiers - positive from cover, negative from AP, and apply the final result to the save. +2 then - 5 is the same as -5 then +2, since you don't need to cap the save at 2+ until the end of the calculation.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
And Fires Of Cyraxus will release Summer 2016. I have no faith in announcements of that nature until I have my faction book in my hands.

That was never officially announced, though, was it?

On May 10th, 2016, Fires Of Cyraxus was announced, for "Summer 2016", at WarhammerFest.
It has been 379 days since this occured, according to my timer..

I don't remember ever seeing it announced on their website like this, or in an email newsletter, though; that's what I mean by an official announcement. A verbal discussion at Warhammer Fest is a pretty good indication, but plans can (and did) change - by that point they must have known 8th edition was coming.


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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
But the save can't be improved beyond a 2+ anyhow, unless they allow a 1+ (unlikely). I could just not be understanding the timing of when things are applied. If you get the cover mod after the AP is calculated, sure, because it would drop you from 2+ to nothing and you get a 6+ because the cover bump. However, if it does not modify at that step, you get your modified 2+ armor save with cover, which is still a 2+, which goes away with this gun.

It was an Ignore Cover AP2 gun originally though, but this seems a radical change of the weapon overall.

I don't think any "timing" is required; simply add up all the modifiers - positive from cover, negative from AP, and apply the final result to the save. +2 then - 5 is the same as -5 then +2, since you don't need to cap the save at 2+ until the end of the calculation.

some old links

https://spikeybits.com/2016/05/tau-vs-imperium-new-supplement-revealed.html

http://battlebunnies.blogspot.com/2016/05/forge-world-seminar.html

https://www.facebook.com/theloadeddicepodcast/photos/pcb.483046875226402/483046611893095/?type=1&theater

http://runebrush.pa-sy.com/2016/05/warhammer-fest-2016-review-forge-world-seminar-silver-tower-and-more/

I never saw an "official" announcement, but I think 8th edition threw this off the scheduling...

Yes, I know about those. My point was that none of them are announcements on their website or their newsletter to all and sundry saying "this book will be available on this date". The statement about the 8th edition Index books is a more concrete statement.