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2017/06/23 12:12:43
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Dakka Veteran
Stockholm
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~5000 points of IG and DKoK
I'm awful at reading private messages, so just reply to the threads I'm visiting. |
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2017/06/23 12:15:28
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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Get fu ed, Forgeworld.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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2017/06/23 12:35:56
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Is there anything allowing g you to make a corsair army list, or do we just get the couple units?
Sitting on over 4000 points of corsair over here, I need to know!!!
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2017/06/23 12:41:32
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
Manchester, UK
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Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:Is there anything allowing g you to make a corsair army list, or do we just get the couple units?
Sitting on over 4000 points of corsair over here, I need to know!!!
Well you get Cloud dancers, reavers and skyreavers as corsair units, with the anhrathe and <coterie> keywords. I don't know how you would make an army out of that though.
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2017/06/23 12:53:23
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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These books are a tide-over to ensure models get transferred over to the new rules, it's more than likely such things will be covered later on.
What I can STRONGLY suggest is that FW are under a lot of pressure due to their head writer dying of cancer [MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
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2017/06/23 12:58:00
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:
These books are a tide-over to ensure models get transferred over to the new rules, it's more than likely such things will be covered later on.
What I can STRONGLY suggest is that FW are under a lot of pressure due to their head writer dying of cancer [MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
These books were probably done years ago.
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2017/06/23 12:58:39
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
Manchester, UK
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:What I can STRONGLY suggest is that FW are under a lot of pressure due to their head writer dying of cancer [MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
Yeah that was a tragic thing. I actually didn't consider that he was head writer, feel a bit gakky now. I really wish that they had delayed this release though, it would have been preferable and understandable. I guess it is easy enough to update the e-books but I am a physical book lover and would rather have waited.
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2017/06/23 12:59:18
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Plus it looks fairly obvious that the indices were rushed, indicating that FW likely wasn't given enough notice as to when they'd be expected to release these (that or they were just too busy on other existing projects like Inferno & then Fires).
Limited time scale and a loss of an individual that important will have a negative effect on basically any work.
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2017/06/23 12:59:31
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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NivlacSupreme wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote:
These books are a tide-over to ensure models get transferred over to the new rules, it's more than likely such things will be covered later on.
What I can STRONGLY suggest is that FW are under a lot of pressure due to their head writer dying of cancer [MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
These books were probably done years ago.
I highly doubt it, honestly. From all that we see from GW and FW, they are not that far ahead. And even still, they are just meant to get stuff up to speed. You might wind up with an 8th Ed release that fleshes the faction out a bit, so definitely might want to calm that rage a bit and wait. The game literally just came out a week ago.
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2017/06/23 13:00:37
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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While I do agree with you, MGS, the fact that there are plenty of other characters without models that transitioned whilst characters and units with legal models for left out kinda puts paid that whole tide-over notion, so people are understandably upset.
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2017/06/23 13:01:19
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]FW can crank out a dataslate for every other unit, but somehow this one just pushed them over the edge? Literally the only reason for them to do this is because they are dropping the Prince (along with the Void Dreamer, the Barons and everything else that hasn't been given a stat card.)
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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2017/06/23 13:01:26
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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I'm pretty sure someone from FW even said they didn't find out 8th was even in progress until like 1/2 way through last year.
I might be misremembering though.
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2017/06/23 13:01:27
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Does it have options like the renegades army list to give those keywords to select Aeldari units?
If not, then I am at a loss for words. I've been building my corsair army for 3 edditions and (accidentally) bought 3 different books to field them. (Bought an apocalypse book because it had a corsairs raiding band listed)
Now, they may have to be stand-ins for other units. I can't imagine them giving all the weapon options that existed for the same body types to these units.
Can the skyreavers take a mix of power weapons, dual weilding pistols, three different ranged weapons, and four different special weapons? I converted the hell outta a bunch of the eldar/ dark eldar range and now my army may have been completely eliminated.
I hope I didn't just waste all of that time and money :(
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2017/06/23 13:08:04
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
Manchester, UK
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Any model in the unit can replace their lasblaster with a shuriken catapult, shardcarbine or spar-glaive. They also get about 8 different "1 model in 5 can replace" weapons.
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2017/06/23 13:12:59
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Dakka Veteran
Stockholm
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Not being acquaintanced with the printing industry, I have no idea how long it would take to print the Index Books, but I don't think it would be months. Also having read plenty of FW books, they have their errors, but it's usually correct. This is on an entirely different scale, with glaring issues anyone with a bit of time would catch, unlike anything I've seen before. So either they just didn't give a damn, or they were rushed in one way or another.
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~5000 points of IG and DKoK
I'm awful at reading private messages, so just reply to the threads I'm visiting. |
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2017/06/23 13:17:24
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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Oh God, I forgot about the heavy penalty for vehicles...
This is so dumb; vehicles should not suffer heavy penalties after moving at all. 1 shot at BS5+ for 3 ML tokens?!?
Looks like my 5 Tetras will meet the shelves
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AI & BFG: / BMG: Mr. Freeze, Deathstroke / Battletech: SR, OWA / HGB: Caprice / Malifaux: Arcanists, Guild, Outcasts / MCP: Mutants / SAGA: Ordensstaat / SW Legion & X-Wing: CIS / WWX: Union
Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"
Shadenuat wrote:Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army. |
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2017/06/23 13:17:26
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Aenarian wrote:Not being acquaintanced with the printing industry, I have no idea how long it would take to print the Index Books, but I don't think it would be months. Also having read plenty of FW books, they have their errors, but it's usually correct. This is on an entirely different scale, with glaring issues anyone with a bit of time would catch, unlike anything I've seen before. So either they just didn't give a damn, or they were rushed in one way or another.
Assuming they're still produced in China, the lead time for printing like this would be months. After the production run, goods like this are normally sent via container ships which are typically on the water for 4-6 weeks. You have land transport times & possible customs delays on top. Then there's further distribution on GW's side to get things into regional warehouses well before launch day.
I would not be at all surprised if the master copies of all indexes ( GW and FW) were finalised around New Year.
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2017/06/23 13:21:14
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
Manchester, UK
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xttz wrote:Assuming they're still produced in China, the lead time for printing like this would be months. Goods like this are normally sent via container ships which are typically on the water for 4-6 weeks then you have land transport & customs delays on top.
Just glanced at my Index Imperium 2, says printed by Belmont Press in the UK. Still, printing takes a significant amount of time no matter where you do it. Add to that the fact they have done the Main Rulebook, the 5 Indices, the 4 FW indices and also the miscellaneous printed materials. Then they have to get all of that distributed worldwide, I can guess a significant lead time would be needed.
Edit: Main rule book says Westdale in UK. Maybe they gave the hardbacks to a different company.
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2017/06/23 13:24:46
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Trickstick wrote: xttz wrote:Assuming they're still produced in China, the lead time for printing like this would be months. Goods like this are normally sent via container ships which are typically on the water for 4-6 weeks then you have land transport & customs delays on top.
Just glanced at my Index Imperium 2, says printed by Belmont Press in the UK. Still, printing takes a significant amount of time no matter where you do it. Add to that the fact they have done the Main Rulebook, the 5 Indices, the 4 FW indices and also the miscellaneous printed materials. Then they have to get all of that distributed worldwide, I can guess a significant lead time would be needed.
Edit: Main rule book says Westdale in UK. Maybe they gave the hardbacks to a different company.
Eh. 90-120 days? I can't imagine it takes that much for an established publishing house to roll out books.
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2017/06/23 13:30:24
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Cog in the Machine
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Feels like not a lot of thought was put into some of the updated units. I have liked the Tau R'alai model but it has always been suffering from sub-par rules.
It has kept its fairly useless character assassin rule, but unless the enemy character is the closest model it's not going to do anything. In addition his blacklight marker drones are not different in anyway from regular marker drones, but cost more points.
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We serve for the Greater Good under the Machine God's supervision
Please take a look at my home brew rules for a few Skitarii units:
Edelweiss
Alphonse
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2017/06/23 13:34:28
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
Manchester, UK
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em_en_oh_pee wrote:Eh. 90-120 days? I can't imagine it takes that much for an established publishing house to roll out books.
Yeah but it strikes me as one of those things that people outside the industry (like me) have no idea about. You have all sorts of typesetting, materials and other choices. Then all that needs to get approval of several people and the usual bureaucracy. It is not as easy as some people think, which is "print it off and ship it".
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2017/06/23 13:44:06
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Dakka Veteran
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Trickstick wrote: xttz wrote:Assuming they're still produced in China, the lead time for printing like this would be months. Goods like this are normally sent via container ships which are typically on the water for 4-6 weeks then you have land transport & customs delays on top.
Just glanced at my Index Imperium 2, says printed by Belmont Press in the UK. Still, printing takes a significant amount of time no matter where you do it. Add to that the fact they have done the Main Rulebook, the 5 Indices, the 4 FW indices and also the miscellaneous printed materials. Then they have to get all of that distributed worldwide, I can guess a significant lead time would be needed.
Edit: Main rule book says Westdale in UK. Maybe they gave the hardbacks to a different company.
Both SM & Chaos forgeworld Indexes say that they are printed in the UK.
GW Indexes are a mix, some China, some UK. My rulebooks says UK also.
Quite likely that they used a selection of places for all the books due to the volumes needed.
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2017/06/23 14:07:55
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hmm interesting. If I'm reading this right its either a typo or the Elysian Drop Troopers Plasma guns are a bit stronger then other versions while being the same price. That could be a big deal.
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2017/06/23 14:14:55
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Im just curious given the silliness that they were the past year or so, did Skat Knights get toned down?
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2017/06/23 14:16:56
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Prospector with Steamdrill
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Zach wrote:Im just curious given the silliness that they were the past year or so, did Skat Knights get toned down?
You got your hands on the FW Astra Militarum book?? I am seeking for some datasheet about the Avenger Strike Fighter and Thunderbolt flyer as well as Elysians rules...
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Grrr.... Cheese make me fart... |
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2017/06/23 14:18:09
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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So I bought the AM book and looked through it for a bit. Few interesting notes.
Quartermasters are elites and not HQs.
We have Marshals and Platoon Commanders in HQ.
Combat Engineers can take 2 special weapons.
Death Rider Lieutenants are HQs now (you can do Napoleonic style infantry armies with mounted officers now!)
Combat Engineers can't take drills anymore.
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2017/06/23 14:18:44
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Qcbob wrote: Zach wrote:Im just curious given the silliness that they were the past year or so, did Skat Knights get toned down?
You got your hands on the FW Astra Militarum book?? I am seeking for some datasheet about the Avenger Strike Fighter and Thunderbolt flyer as well as Elysians rules...
^ Did you mean to quote me? I have no books, I dont play these days.
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2017/06/23 14:34:09
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Dakka Veteran
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Khadorstompy wrote:Hmm interesting. If I'm reading this right its either a typo or the Elysian Drop Troopers Plasma guns are a bit stronger then other versions while being the same price. That could be a big deal.
Yeah, the overcharged damage being 3 instead of 2 is likely a typo. One of many. Who knows though.
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2017/06/23 17:16:53
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Repentia Mistress
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I missed it -- Avenger fighter? Just the shakedown info, no scans per rules
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2017/06/23 17:21:00
Subject: Forgeworld News & Rumors - p. 70 Xenos 8th edition updates & bundles
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Qcbob wrote: Zach wrote:Im just curious given the silliness that they were the past year or so, did Skat Knights get toned down?
You got your hands on the FW Astra Militarum book?? I am seeking for some datasheet about the Avenger Strike Fighter and Thunderbolt flyer as well as Elysians rules...
Did you miss all the Mod warnings???
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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