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GW is worried that Minimarines have reached saturation point, but they are still there single biggest seller so they cannot afford to kill them off abruptly without an imediate almost the same replacement.
Given the way GW work they will look at sigmarines sales and put it down to there bigger size and not that it is the only real AoS army released in the last 2 years.
This combined with a vocal minority of TruScale fanatics gives them the idea of Bigger Marines. There positively salivating at the prospect of getting marine players to buy whole new armies of gulimarines and sadly I think it will work for every person who says feth this they will be 5 who drink deep and drop £1000's to replace there minimarines.
As for the fate of the Minimarines well I point to the 90% of fantasy armies still on get you by lists from 2 years ago.
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
froper98 wrote: first of all, does anybody have that guardmen model and compare it to recent marines, it seems to me that it is infact just a normal marine and that is a small guardsmen.
Vorian wrote: We were told these new marines were a new unit type. We were told the old marines would remain.
It's not scale creep - it's (in universe) bigger guys!
I am actually ok with this (or rather it's the lesser of two evils, and one I can live with). If they are "special" Marines, then this is fine. I don't like the idea of them just replacing the existing Marines wholesale.
Oh they're still going to, like everything else with 8th I'm betting this is Boiling Frog Strategy - they're Spehsul Mahrinz for now, and then next year there will be a [fabulous]PLOOOOT TWIIIIST[/fabulous] about geneseed something something corruption something something oh noes regular Sphess Mahrinz are dying out! But don't worry, Mr Customer, we're not going to take away your existing army or anything, they'll still kinda exist in the fluff and their rules will remain kinda valid, and we won't totally discontinue the plastic kits for ages and ages(nb: however long it is until the next set of NuMarines releases), we're just never ever going to make new stuff for them.
The end result of all this is still Age of Guilliman and all NuMarines, all the time, but they'll do it gradually over, say, five years rather than blowing everything up, waiting six months, then dumping Hippyhammer on us with a whole new setting.
If there is an absence of something to complain about, make up a scenario and complain about that. Good work.
All of what Yodhrin said has happened with AoS, I'd say that is quite a significant concern. But whatever, dismiss it as "whining" as per usual....
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SeanDrake wrote: GW is worried that Minimarines have reached saturation point, but they are still there single biggest seller so they cannot afford to kill them off abruptly without an imediate almost the same replacement.
Given the way GW work they will look at sigmarines sales and put it down to there bigger size and not that it is the only real AoS army released in the last 2 years.
This combined with a vocal minority of TruScale fanatics gives them the idea of Bigger Marines. There positively salivating at the prospect of getting marine players to buy whole new armies of gulimarines and sadly I think it will work for every person who says feth this they will be 5 who drink deep and drop £1000's to replace there minimarines.
As for the fate of the Minimarines well I point to the 90% of fantasy armies still on get you by lists from 2 years ago.
Sigmarines got heavy price drops when repackaged, though, are the standard ones selling that well when that was done? HAD to be done, maybe?
I will get some nuMarines if it makes tru scaling easier - or to adjust my self-sculpted legs to their size, in case there will be nu-scale heroes I want to convert for my CSM. Especially if they're in a starter with Death Guard. But they really should've gone for chunkier legs, the thighs are still only as thick as the helmetless dudes' head.
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
Given how the GSC are some of the best looking and proportional humans GW has done and not huge, beefy monsters like Wrathmongers, Blight Kings or even all the plastic demons from YEARS ago, ehh. And they're half xenos, for crying out loud. Greyfax is tall, but she's wearing heels and a servo armour suit adds mass. So 40k humans should be safe - IF we ever get some more of those. I really hope we do.
The Silver Tower Sigmar priest has me worried for the Fantasy side, but he's supposedly a giant dude and the Bloodreavers have crap proportions but are not giants like the heroes.
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
JohnnyHell wrote: What's that? Is that the sound of many hats being eaten?
"His greaves are Procreate! I can tell because I've Procreated in my time!"
womp womp
"It's a conversion! I can identify all the components... well, some... well, a few BUT IT ISN'T REAL."
womp womp
"I could make that boltgun with Skitarii bits"
womp womp
(Looks like they've realised and switched out the hero banner now btw)
Don't see leakea model under painting though. So pic could still be conversion. Nothing so far actually proves anything one way or another.
Well no biggie either way. Won't be buying new marines anyway. If they are bigger replacement then too many old models who would look stupid alongside. If new unit i'm literally unable to use them ruje and fluff wise
Binabik15 wrote: Given how the GSC are some of the best looking and proportional humans GW has done and not huge, beefy monsters like Wrathmongers, Blight Kings or even all the plastic demons from YEARS ago, ehh. And they're half xenos, for crying out loud. Greyfax is tall, but she's wearing heels and a servo armour suit adds mass. So 40k humans should be safe - IF we ever get some more of those. I really hope we do.
The Silver Tower Sigmar priest has me worried for the Fantasy side, but he's supposedly a giant dude and the Bloodreavers have crap proportions but are not giants like the heroes.
Space Marines are some of the worst proportioned "humans" in all Wargaming. The armour is just bad in 2017
tneva82 wrote: Don't see leakea model under painting though. So pic could still be conversion. Nothing so far actually proves anything one way or another.
Well no biggie either way. Won't be buying new marines anyway. If they are bigger replacement then too many old models who would look stupid alongside. If new unit i'm literally unable to use them ruje and fluff wise
If it was a conversion it was by somebody who knew exactly what the new marines looked like. Details like the gorget, knees, and backpack match too closely to be a coincidence.
If they are some kind of uber marine, they're oddly plain, but I'd still be surprised if they're just a scale shift for all marines as it'll require them to eventually redo so much stuff to match up. I can see them doing it gradually over time because that's exactly what they're already doing, but making a sudden shift like that will make too many other kits, including some very new ones, look out of place.
JohnnyHell wrote: What's that? Is that the sound of many hats being eaten?
"His greaves are Procreate! I can tell because I've Procreated in my time!"
womp womp
"It's a conversion! I can identify all the components... well, some... well, a few BUT IT ISN'T REAL."
womp womp
"I could make that boltgun with Skitarii bits"
womp womp
(Looks like they've realised and switched out the hero banner now btw)
Don't see leakea model under painting though. So pic could still be conversion. Nothing so far actually proves anything one way or another.
Nothing so far... except the same chest plate design, the same longer bolter design, the same kneepad design, the same foot armour design, what appears to be the same head... yeah, nothing at all.
Speaking as the guy that started the truescale fad I eagerly await these guys knowing that I no longer have to spend a small fortune making more accurately scaled marines!
Vorian wrote: We were told these new marines were a new unit type. We were told the old marines would remain.
It's not scale creep - it's (in universe) bigger guys!
I am actually ok with this (or rather it's the lesser of two evils, and one I can live with). If they are "special" Marines, then this is fine. I don't like the idea of them just replacing the existing Marines wholesale.
Oh they're still going to, like everything else with 8th I'm betting this is Boiling Frog Strategy - they're Spehsul Mahrinz for now, and then next year there will be a [fabulous]PLOOOOT TWIIIIST[/fabulous] about geneseed something something corruption something something oh noes regular Sphess Mahrinz are dying out! But don't worry, Mr Customer, we're not going to take away your existing army or anything, they'll still kinda exist in the fluff and their rules will remain kinda valid, and we won't totally discontinue the plastic kits for ages and ages(nb: however long it is until the next set of NuMarines releases), we're just never ever going to make new stuff for them.
The end result of all this is still Age of Guilliman and all NuMarines, all the time, but they'll do it gradually over, say, five years rather than blowing everything up, waiting six months, then dumping Hippyhammer on us with a whole new setting.
If there is an absence of something to complain about, make up a scenario and complain about that. Good work.
I was positing what I consider a likely scenario, you're the one who chose to read a value judgement into it, but hey, if you get your jollies whining about other people having an opinion who am I to judge.
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Zachectomy wrote: And it looks nothing like these "new marines", which may also be conversions. Even in those pics there's nothing on the printed box or the book to indicate these are official models. Plus didn't someone come out and basically say "this is my conversion model"?
Edit: Ok, I take it back... they do look like the unpainted "nu-marine" from before. Not convinced they're real, though
Dude... they're in a painting guide. GW isn't about to release a painting guide containing a scratch-built/heavily converted Marine as a major example.
The unpainted one is even in blue plastic, the kinda stuff they'd do with a starter (blue for Marines, green for Nurgle).
They're not in a painting guide. They're not in any official printed materials. And I don't see any unpainted ones. Just base coated and blue sprayed
Zachectomy wrote: And I don't see any unpainted ones. Just base coated and blue sprayed
Sooooon.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
Haha yeah there's a tiny slanted snippet of an image that coulllld be either old or new. We can forgive him not counting that.
Nice spot that they might be blue plastic, that could be cool.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
H.B.M.C. wrote: Do you not see the painting guide that is in the picture with the NuMarines?
The pics in the painting guide itself look like old marines rathe than nu marines. Zoom in the chest plate, it doesn't have the moulding of the leaked pic and the neckline doesn't stick out as much as it appears to on all of the nu marines.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I just can't see them re-releasing the entire Marine range. Again.
Why not? I'm sure they are looking at all of the players who have already purchased all the Marines kits they will ever need. What does the secondary market on basic marine bodies and parts look like these days? What better way to stoke demand than to make new kits? Plus, it'd be a good way to stick it to the small secondary market companies who have been building models and bits that fit with the existing space marine ranges.
Totally agnostic on whether or not the nuMarines are actually a thing, but I can absolutely see why GW would want to push players to feel like they need to upgrade to the newest (incompatible) shiny. I would fully expect some "amazing deals" on start an army boxes with the new Marines. "Look at the savings on this box! " Never mind that going down that path basically locks you into a massive investment to rebuild your force to meet the new aesthetic…
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Maybe, the pictures could be clearer, but to me it looks like they have different legs, weapons, heads and possibly arms, to those of the regular marines.
I guess it could be a new armour mark and different weapons, but they do look bigger than normal marines on those 32mm bases though.
I'll look back and fondly remember this post for some time. It took everything in me not to respond to it and point out the BS considering I have sculpted professionally off and on for years, and the things he was claiming to be procreate were laughable. I knew the truth would save me the effort though I feel like buying him a subscription to hat of the month club so never runs out of something fashionable to chew on
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Zachectomy wrote: Plus didn't someone come out and basically say "this is my conversion model"?
Yeah, "someone" did do that… on April 1st. Then closed the thread after pointedly refusing to offer any substantiating evidence whatsoever.
On top of that, it was Kid Kyoto, a well known cad, bounder and moustache twirler.
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Vorian wrote: We were told these new marines were a new unit type. We were told the old marines would remain.
It's not scale creep - it's (in universe) bigger guys!
So now we basically get the full gradient of armor size from tiny Scout Armor all the way up to Centurion? (and, if you want to count it, going through the Mark V Dreadnought to Contemptor and Leviathan).
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Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
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I'll look back and fondly remember this post for some time. It took everything in me not to respond to it and point out the BS considering I have sculpted professionally off and on for years, and the things he was claiming to be procreate were laughable. I knew the truth would save me the effort though I feel like buying him a subscription to hat of the month club so never runs out of something fashionable to chew on
About that...
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
Vorian wrote: We were told these new marines were a new unit type. We were told the old marines would remain.
It's not scale creep - it's (in universe) bigger guys!
So now we basically get the full gradient of armor size from tiny Scout Armor all the way up to Centurion? (and, if you want to count it, going through the Mark V Dreadnought to Contemptor and Leviathan).
Yet my metal Terminators still look smaller than an average plastic marine. Nah, not scale creep (sigh). How long till GW put working joints in the new models and we call them Action Figures instead?
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