40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**Rippy**

Deadawake1347 wrote:

Spoiler:

Datasheets
Q: Warhammer 40,000 How many of you man this page? Or is did some poor guardsmen just get locked up in a room to field the unending wave of questions?
A: Just one of us... One soul standing against the tide. Much like Sly Marbo, but somewhat less heroic and chiseled.

Q: Warhammer 40,000 hey can we have the slightest hint of necron stuff in the next teaser please? the red harvest must begin!
A: *This message has been formatted so only true Necrontyr can read it.

Q: Hey guys @Warhammer 40,000, would you consider doing deep strike rules preview ?
A: We can consider it...

Q: You guys are savage and have no chill when it comes to absolutely destroying people, how can I become a member of the community team?
A: You should have seen the quadra-savage reply we typed out... but then thought better of it...!

Q: will weapons have point value's?
also if an aspiring sorcerer can move 6" and the rest of hits unit can move 5" doesn't that mean the sorcerer can only move 5"?
A: It means he can move slightly faster, so long as he stays with his unit.

Q: Give me the new protocols for my Necron minions or you will be harvested.
A: Errrr.....sure thing! We'll get right on it!

Q: Hey GW, will you release a datasheet for khorne berzerkers anytime soon?? (Hopefully before 8th hits) Ever since the CSM faction focus, i am super hyped to see what you have in mind with those lobotomised nutjobs
A: We haven't released anything yet.... but by Jimminy.... they are just as good in combat as you hope them to be....

Q: Well.. definitely will take some getting used too. I do like the effort to balance out the game.
A: It's just not the same without your Marbo memes.

Q: Love all the articles! We would love you to throw us a little more Xenos examples. We have heard a ton about the factions of Man, and just a splash about Orks. Can we please have more splashs of Xenos? <3
A: We like splashing Xenos.... all over the wall with a boltgun.

More Xenos bits on the way REAL soon...

Q: I have only one burning question for 8th -
Will Shadow Captain Shrike's new datasheet reflect his ascension to Chapter Master of the Raven Guard?
A: If that's your only question, we're doing something right. Not sure on that specific detail right now - we will have wait for the rules to appear.

Q: So given that the Rubric Marines have no special ability that allows them to charge after using Rapid Fire and Heavy weapons in the shooting phase, am I correct to assume all units can do that now?
A: Assumptions are a dangerous thing, Oliver...!

Q: That is a seriously better format than how it was handled in the past, very well done.

BUT, are the point costs cropped out of the datasheet or are there going to be multiple versions? Might get bloaty..
A: No bloaty-ness here. Loads more on points coming tomorrow.

Q: I didn't get to post this in time yesterday to be relevant but here we go. First, I'd like to say the new rules are cool. But, I do have a concern. As a chaos player who favors his dinobots and dragons, I'm concerned that the weapon loadouts for the forgefiends (2 hadesautocannons and plasma cannon at +25pts) and heldrakes (with either a baleflamer, whos profile no longer works in 8th, or a single hadesautocannon) were somewhat wanting for the 175 point costs but now units that are cheaper with more weapon sets and/or twinlinked weapons will not only be better (as they kinda were with upgrade capabilities) but completely outshine them or render them useless?
A: Fair comment, James. Chances are that our exstensive group of playtesters will have looked at this and a new, appropriate points value assigned. We aren't just about to change how good a model is without changing it's points value.

Q: Hello new(tm) games workshop, i'd like to ask a badly worded question about whether you'll answer this question and if you do do so will this question be answered? Also if you're doing an article on points values could you tell us how many points my personal favourite, the haruspex, will cost. (How can you not love that face?)
A: Hello, Peter - we'd like to provide a suitably vague yet teasing response about being more than happy to answer your question.

The Haruspex definitely has a points value, but we haven't revealed it yet. As such,we can't mention it yet, despite your obviously adorable face.

Q: This all looks great!!! *Oliver Twist-style pleading request* Adeptus sororitas faction feature/teaser?? cough cough 'obligatory plastic sisters comment' cough cough
A: The Faction Focus article is on it's way for sure.

Q: Love the articles!
Can we expect to see some info on the inquisition? Really want to know how they will be in 8th, like are they a full force on their own, or are they more of an add-on to other armies?
A: Indeed - there will be a focus article on the Imperial Agents for sure.

Q: I assume that point costs is kept separate from unit profiles in order to facilitate easier updates in the future, without invalidating the entire book, or are points supposed to be kept completely outside the codices, in a dedicated book?
A: Assuming is a dangerous past time, Marcin! Check out tomorrow's article on points for more.

Q: On the data sheet it doesn't say what an icon of flame does (unless I missed it), will there be a section of banners and such that all armies have access to?
A: Maybe! It wouldn't be a teaser if we just flat our told you everything, now would it?!

Q: I feel like the page is very busy. And I'm curious about the power rating.... Are the matched play points cost going to be a big list like in AoS's General's Handbook?
A: You will find out loads more in tomorrow's points article.

Q: Nice. So much info on one sheet. Loving it.
First look at melee weapons too. No range - so who gets to fight in cc?
A: More on that real soon.

Q: Will there be a points version of these data sheets for more balanced games?
A: Sounds like you need to tune in to tomorrow's article all about points!

Q: Nice. So the aspiring champion only knows smite? Or will there be another table / sheet for what powers he has access to ?
A: We haven't covered that yet; more on psychic powers coming later.

Q: But GW, where oh where will the points values be listed for matched play?
A: There's every chance that will be covered by tomorrow's "points and power levels" article...

Q: DANGEROUS ASSUMPTION ALERT

I'm assuming that psychic powers will be assigned from a book via keyword as I see no other reference there?
A: DANGEROUS ASSUMPTION DETECTED
Fear not, Assumptee... loads more information will be coming. Enlightenment is coming to these dark times.

Q: the lack of points scares the bejesus out of me... and i'm still not happy about losing templates!... going to need a lot more detail before i'm sold
A: What up, Leigh; Guildford represent! Points are still a thing, my fellow Baboon Samurai. Watch out for more on those tomorrow in the "points and power level" article.

Q: Power ranking besides points? Ohhh no.... "We finally really did it. You maniacs! You blew it up!"
A: There will be both! Tune in to the article all about points tomorrow.

Q: Rubrics! Huzzah! I have to wonder... what does the Icon of Flame do...?
A: Looks like you'll have to wait to find out that one!

Q: Awesome job! Any chance you'll go over the difference between Force weapons & Power weapons in a future article?
A: Of course we can. More articles planned in the future about melee weapons.

Q: Will these sheets be available in cards similar to Psychic Power cards?
A: No news on that right now. .

Q: What exactly is power rating? Is it the same thing as power level that you wrote later in the article?
A: All will be covered in tomorrow's article, fear not.

Q: If the Matched play points aren't going to be on the sheets where will they be? Will we need another book to view these?
A: Tune in tomorrow for the points and power level article and all will be revealed...

Q: Will there be another Datasheet for competitive game?
A: If you mean a points value, then looks like you need to tune into tomorrow's article entitled "points and power levels"....

Q: You tell us what... Death to the False Emperor does? **cheeky grin
A: Not yet...

Q: Will we have a look at the real points system before the release ?
A: Hey Quentin - sure thing - watch out tomorrow for an article all about points.

Q: Great article!!! Will you make an article about Renegades ?
A: You mean the Forge World models? We are focusing on the main Citadel factions for the articles.

Q: I thought invulnerable saves were gone?
A: Not at all - they are right there!

Q: Great stuff but why not call them "dataslates"
A: ...because they are on a sheet. We wanted to put them on slate but it made the rules too heavy...

Q: Can we get a look at Ork boyz?? Please!!
A: There are literally hundreds of units in the game and we wish we had the time to sho...*SMACK*.

"Give us da roolz,you puny 'umie! Don't make 'im ask again else I'll krump yer good"

Eldar Faction Focus
Q: If you say Banshees will be one of the fastest troops in the game then i really wonder what you guys have in store for Harlequins!
Can i expect my fellow clowns to be at the same speed or even faster?!
A: We shall but see!

Q: Are we going to be seeing Aspect Warriors in plastic any time soon, or are we still going to be relegated to Finecast?
A: We have no news on models right now, Andrew - if we ever do hear anything, you will see it here first!

Q: Wait, didn't Fulgrim kill an Avatar by putting it in a headlock and strangling it to death? If so, Guilliman shouldn't fear anything.
A: Besides... Guillian kills three Avatars every day before breakfast. For fun. With a butter knife.

Or so we heard.

Q: You guys better release a skitarii or cult mech (or maybe both) faction focus or the might of the Omnissiah shall make all your computer's unbearably slow.
A: We were wondering why the internet was dropping like a Guardsman in a trench. Now we know.

Q: I'm hoping the Wraithseer will get a datasheet and awesome rules.
A: Guys -with models like that, we are not sure about what is coming yet as FW haven't released information on their rules. As soon as we have it, we will be able to let you know.

Q: When we will have some love for the Custodian Guard?

Soon™, Really Soon™...?

And also, will we have this articles until release? Or will they continue after 8th is available?
A: There will indeed be some more articles coming Real, Real Soon!™

Q: I think Warhammer 40,000 is holding off on the Ork faction preview trying to build up the Waaagh...
A: Savin' da best fer later!

Q: Isn't Reece Robbins the Frontline gaming guy with them awesome Youtube batrep videos?
A: It is indeed him. He has the coolest voice!

Q: This information is completely wrong ... please see the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer for correct info on the Eldar. If you see anyone reading this info please report them to your Commisar!
A: That's how you get promoted around here, trooper!

Q1: Any chance of seeing a Necron profile soon?
A1: You mean.... like this?
Q2: Oh...
Games Workshop.
A2: I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "These guys are better than that, right?!".

But we're not. If there is a pun to be had, we will take it.

Q: Will Ynnari remain or have that army just been discarded?
A: You will 100% be able to use that army.

Is anyone else getting tired of the... Hmm... since I don't want to trigger the language filter, let's go with "wise" responses from GW to people's questions? The standout here being the Necron profile one, but there have been several examples in the recent FAQs, including the 8th edition announcements. Once or twice with obviously joking questions might be cute, but this has quickly become annoying to me.

No, I think they are funny. It is better than them being ignored, or "can't say yet" copied and pasted 1000 times.

**Inevitable_Faith**

Red Corsair wrote:
Deadawake1347 wrote:

Spoiler:

Datasheets
Q: Warhammer 40,000 How many of you man this page? Or is did some poor guardsmen just get locked up in a room to field the unending wave of questions?
A: Just one of us... One soul standing against the tide. Much like Sly Marbo, but somewhat less heroic and chiseled.

Q: Warhammer 40,000 hey can we have the slightest hint of necron stuff in the next teaser please? the red harvest must begin!
A: *This message has been formatted so only true Necrontyr can read it.

Q: Hey guys @Warhammer 40,000, would you consider doing deep strike rules preview ?
A: We can consider it...

Q: You guys are savage and have no chill when it comes to absolutely destroying people, how can I become a member of the community team?
A: You should have seen the quadra-savage reply we typed out... but then thought better of it...!

Q: will weapons have point value's?
also if an aspiring sorcerer can move 6" and the rest of hits unit can move 5" doesn't that mean the sorcerer can only move 5"?
A: It means he can move slightly faster, so long as he stays with his unit.

Q: Give me the new protocols for my Necron minions or you will be harvested.
A: Errrr.....sure thing! We'll get right on it!

Q: Hey GW, will you release a datasheet for khorne berzerkers anytime soon?? (Hopefully before 8th hits) Ever since the CSM faction focus, i am super hyped to see what you have in mind with those lobotomised nutjobs
A: We haven't released anything yet.... but by Jimminy.... they are just as good in combat as you hope them to be....

Q: Well.. definitely will take some getting used too. I do like the effort to balance out the game.
A: It's just not the same without your Marbo memes.

Q: Love all the articles! We would love you to throw us a little more Xenos examples. We have heard a ton about the factions of Man, and just a splash about Orks. Can we please have more splashs of Xenos? <3
A: We like splashing Xenos.... all over the wall with a boltgun.

More Xenos bits on the way REAL soon...

Q: I have only one burning question for 8th -
Will Shadow Captain Shrike's new datasheet reflect his ascension to Chapter Master of the Raven Guard?
A: If that's your only question, we're doing something right. Not sure on that specific detail right now - we will have wait for the rules to appear.

Q: So given that the Rubric Marines have no special ability that allows them to charge after using Rapid Fire and Heavy weapons in the shooting phase, am I correct to assume all units can do that now?
A: Assumptions are a dangerous thing, Oliver...!

Q: That is a seriously better format than how it was handled in the past, very well done.

BUT, are the point costs cropped out of the datasheet or are there going to be multiple versions? Might get bloaty..
A: No bloaty-ness here. Loads more on points coming tomorrow.

Q: I didn't get to post this in time yesterday to be relevant but here we go. First, I'd like to say the new rules are cool. But, I do have a concern. As a chaos player who favors his dinobots and dragons, I'm concerned that the weapon loadouts for the forgefiends (2 hadesautocannons and plasma cannon at +25pts) and heldrakes (with either a baleflamer, whos profile no longer works in 8th, or a single hadesautocannon) were somewhat wanting for the 175 point costs but now units that are cheaper with more weapon sets and/or twinlinked weapons will not only be better (as they kinda were with upgrade capabilities) but completely outshine them or render them useless?
A: Fair comment, James. Chances are that our exstensive group of playtesters will have looked at this and a new, appropriate points value assigned. We aren't just about to change how good a model is without changing it's points value.

Q: Hello new(tm) games workshop, i'd like to ask a badly worded question about whether you'll answer this question and if you do do so will this question be answered? Also if you're doing an article on points values could you tell us how many points my personal favourite, the haruspex, will cost. (How can you not love that face?)
A: Hello, Peter - we'd like to provide a suitably vague yet teasing response about being more than happy to answer your question.

The Haruspex definitely has a points value, but we haven't revealed it yet. As such,we can't mention it yet, despite your obviously adorable face.

Q: This all looks great!!! *Oliver Twist-style pleading request* Adeptus sororitas faction feature/teaser?? cough cough 'obligatory plastic sisters comment' cough cough
A: The Faction Focus article is on it's way for sure.

Q: Love the articles!
Can we expect to see some info on the inquisition? Really want to know how they will be in 8th, like are they a full force on their own, or are they more of an add-on to other armies?
A: Indeed - there will be a focus article on the Imperial Agents for sure.

Q: I assume that point costs is kept separate from unit profiles in order to facilitate easier updates in the future, without invalidating the entire book, or are points supposed to be kept completely outside the codices, in a dedicated book?
A: Assuming is a dangerous past time, Marcin! Check out tomorrow's article on points for more.

Q: On the data sheet it doesn't say what an icon of flame does (unless I missed it), will there be a section of banners and such that all armies have access to?
A: Maybe! It wouldn't be a teaser if we just flat our told you everything, now would it?!

Q: I feel like the page is very busy. And I'm curious about the power rating.... Are the matched play points cost going to be a big list like in AoS's General's Handbook?
A: You will find out loads more in tomorrow's points article.

Q: Nice. So much info on one sheet. Loving it.
First look at melee weapons too. No range - so who gets to fight in cc?
A: More on that real soon.

Q: Will there be a points version of these data sheets for more balanced games?
A: Sounds like you need to tune in to tomorrow's article all about points!

Q: Nice. So the aspiring champion only knows smite? Or will there be another table / sheet for what powers he has access to ?
A: We haven't covered that yet; more on psychic powers coming later.

Q: But GW, where oh where will the points values be listed for matched play?
A: There's every chance that will be covered by tomorrow's "points and power levels" article...

Q: DANGEROUS ASSUMPTION ALERT

I'm assuming that psychic powers will be assigned from a book via keyword as I see no other reference there?
A: DANGEROUS ASSUMPTION DETECTED
Fear not, Assumptee... loads more information will be coming. Enlightenment is coming to these dark times.

Q: the lack of points scares the bejesus out of me... and i'm still not happy about losing templates!... going to need a lot more detail before i'm sold
A: What up, Leigh; Guildford represent! Points are still a thing, my fellow Baboon Samurai. Watch out for more on those tomorrow in the "points and power level" article.

Q: Power ranking besides points? Ohhh no.... "We finally really did it. You maniacs! You blew it up!"
A: There will be both! Tune in to the article all about points tomorrow.

Q: Rubrics! Huzzah! I have to wonder... what does the Icon of Flame do...?
A: Looks like you'll have to wait to find out that one!

Q: Awesome job! Any chance you'll go over the difference between Force weapons & Power weapons in a future article?
A: Of course we can. More articles planned in the future about melee weapons.

Q: Will these sheets be available in cards similar to Psychic Power cards?
A: No news on that right now. .

Q: What exactly is power rating? Is it the same thing as power level that you wrote later in the article?
A: All will be covered in tomorrow's article, fear not.

Q: If the Matched play points aren't going to be on the sheets where will they be? Will we need another book to view these?
A: Tune in tomorrow for the points and power level article and all will be revealed...

Q: Will there be another Datasheet for competitive game?
A: If you mean a points value, then looks like you need to tune into tomorrow's article entitled "points and power levels"....

Q: You tell us what... Death to the False Emperor does? **cheeky grin
A: Not yet...

Q: Will we have a look at the real points system before the release ?
A: Hey Quentin - sure thing - watch out tomorrow for an article all about points.

Q: Great article!!! Will you make an article about Renegades ?
A: You mean the Forge World models? We are focusing on the main Citadel factions for the articles.

Q: I thought invulnerable saves were gone?
A: Not at all - they are right there!

Q: Great stuff but why not call them "dataslates"
A: ...because they are on a sheet. We wanted to put them on slate but it made the rules too heavy...

Q: Can we get a look at Ork boyz?? Please!!
A: There are literally hundreds of units in the game and we wish we had the time to sho...*SMACK*.

"Give us da roolz,you puny 'umie! Don't make 'im ask again else I'll krump yer good"

Eldar Faction Focus
Q: If you say Banshees will be one of the fastest troops in the game then i really wonder what you guys have in store for Harlequins!
Can i expect my fellow clowns to be at the same speed or even faster?!
A: We shall but see!

Q: Are we going to be seeing Aspect Warriors in plastic any time soon, or are we still going to be relegated to Finecast?
A: We have no news on models right now, Andrew - if we ever do hear anything, you will see it here first!

Q: Wait, didn't Fulgrim kill an Avatar by putting it in a headlock and strangling it to death? If so, Guilliman shouldn't fear anything.
A: Besides... Guillian kills three Avatars every day before breakfast. For fun. With a butter knife.

Or so we heard.

Q: You guys better release a skitarii or cult mech (or maybe both) faction focus or the might of the Omnissiah shall make all your computer's unbearably slow.
A: We were wondering why the internet was dropping like a Guardsman in a trench. Now we know.

Q: I'm hoping the Wraithseer will get a datasheet and awesome rules.
A: Guys -with models like that, we are not sure about what is coming yet as FW haven't released information on their rules. As soon as we have it, we will be able to let you know.

Q: When we will have some love for the Custodian Guard?

Soon™, Really Soon™...?

And also, will we have this articles until release? Or will they continue after 8th is available?
A: There will indeed be some more articles coming Real, Real Soon!™

Q: I think Warhammer 40,000 is holding off on the Ork faction preview trying to build up the Waaagh...
A: Savin' da best fer later!

Q: Isn't Reece Robbins the Frontline gaming guy with them awesome Youtube batrep videos?
A: It is indeed him. He has the coolest voice!

Q: This information is completely wrong ... please see the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer for correct info on the Eldar. If you see anyone reading this info please report them to your Commisar!
A: That's how you get promoted around here, trooper!

Q1: Any chance of seeing a Necron profile soon?
A1: You mean.... like this?
Q2: Oh...
Games Workshop.
A2: I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "These guys are better than that, right?!".

But we're not. If there is a pun to be had, we will take it.

Q: Will Ynnari remain or have that army just been discarded?
A: You will 100% be able to use that army.

Is anyone else getting tired of the... Hmm... since I don't want to trigger the language filter, let's go with "wise" responses from GW to people's questions? The standout here being the Necron profile one, but there have been several examples in the recent FAQs, including the 8th edition announcements. Once or twice with obviously joking questions might be cute, but this has quickly become annoying to me.

Not really, I mean you have ONE guy responding to the same questions Ad Nauseum and to top it off most of the questions he can't actually answer. "What are the necron profiles?" Seriously? I think it is hilarious and appropriate for him to take it light heatedly and actually have fun engaging with the community. Otherwise all you would get are copy paste pre screened customer response messages like "Just wait and see!" or "I can't give you that info just yet, but hang tight!" over and over and over endlessly. At least this way he is giving the company some personality and taking some of the angst and doom and gloom away.

Totally agree with Red Corsair here. It's plain to see that most of these questions the FB isn't at liberty to answer, he's given what he's allowed to release that day and that's it. All these people saying "Show us weapon profile X or Unit profile Y" are honestly asking a question they should know he can't answer. He may not even have the info they're asking for since he's just the FB guy and not part of the rules team. In my opinion his professionalism has been fine, he's the FB guy for a gaming company after all why should he have to respond like he works for a lawyers office? He's also been quite funny in many of his posts, that Necron profile one standing out as quite hilarious for me. I understand some people may not like his tone but that's just part and parcel now of the new GW online presence it seems, which in my books is still better than the non-existent communication they had. If you don't like his personality then I'm sorry it doesn't jive well with you, GW can't make everyone happy, that's an impossible task, but they seem to be trying things differently now and at least to me it's an improvement. I'm not saying they're the greatest company of all time now but at least they're on an uptrend in my opinion.

**Deadawake1347**

Red Corsair wrote:
Deadawake1347 wrote:

Spoiler:

Datasheets
Q: Warhammer 40,000 How many of you man this page? Or is did some poor guardsmen just get locked up in a room to field the unending wave of questions?
A: Just one of us... One soul standing against the tide. Much like Sly Marbo, but somewhat less heroic and chiseled.

Q: Warhammer 40,000 hey can we have the slightest hint of necron stuff in the next teaser please? the red harvest must begin!
A: *This message has been formatted so only true Necrontyr can read it.

Q: Hey guys @Warhammer 40,000, would you consider doing deep strike rules preview ?
A: We can consider it...

Q: You guys are savage and have no chill when it comes to absolutely destroying people, how can I become a member of the community team?
A: You should have seen the quadra-savage reply we typed out... but then thought better of it...!

Q: will weapons have point value's?
also if an aspiring sorcerer can move 6" and the rest of hits unit can move 5" doesn't that mean the sorcerer can only move 5"?
A: It means he can move slightly faster, so long as he stays with his unit.

Q: Give me the new protocols for my Necron minions or you will be harvested.
A: Errrr.....sure thing! We'll get right on it!

Q: Hey GW, will you release a datasheet for khorne berzerkers anytime soon?? (Hopefully before 8th hits) Ever since the CSM faction focus, i am super hyped to see what you have in mind with those lobotomised nutjobs
A: We haven't released anything yet.... but by Jimminy.... they are just as good in combat as you hope them to be....

Q: Well.. definitely will take some getting used too. I do like the effort to balance out the game.
A: It's just not the same without your Marbo memes.

Q: Love all the articles! We would love you to throw us a little more Xenos examples. We have heard a ton about the factions of Man, and just a splash about Orks. Can we please have more splashs of Xenos? <3
A: We like splashing Xenos.... all over the wall with a boltgun.

More Xenos bits on the way REAL soon...

Q: I have only one burning question for 8th -
Will Shadow Captain Shrike's new datasheet reflect his ascension to Chapter Master of the Raven Guard?
A: If that's your only question, we're doing something right. Not sure on that specific detail right now - we will have wait for the rules to appear.

Q: So given that the Rubric Marines have no special ability that allows them to charge after using Rapid Fire and Heavy weapons in the shooting phase, am I correct to assume all units can do that now?
A: Assumptions are a dangerous thing, Oliver...!

Q: That is a seriously better format than how it was handled in the past, very well done.

BUT, are the point costs cropped out of the datasheet or are there going to be multiple versions? Might get bloaty..
A: No bloaty-ness here. Loads more on points coming tomorrow.

Q: I didn't get to post this in time yesterday to be relevant but here we go. First, I'd like to say the new rules are cool. But, I do have a concern. As a chaos player who favors his dinobots and dragons, I'm concerned that the weapon loadouts for the forgefiends (2 hadesautocannons and plasma cannon at +25pts) and heldrakes (with either a baleflamer, whos profile no longer works in 8th, or a single hadesautocannon) were somewhat wanting for the 175 point costs but now units that are cheaper with more weapon sets and/or twinlinked weapons will not only be better (as they kinda were with upgrade capabilities) but completely outshine them or render them useless?
A: Fair comment, James. Chances are that our exstensive group of playtesters will have looked at this and a new, appropriate points value assigned. We aren't just about to change how good a model is without changing it's points value.

Q: Hello new(tm) games workshop, i'd like to ask a badly worded question about whether you'll answer this question and if you do do so will this question be answered? Also if you're doing an article on points values could you tell us how many points my personal favourite, the haruspex, will cost. (How can you not love that face?)
A: Hello, Peter - we'd like to provide a suitably vague yet teasing response about being more than happy to answer your question.

The Haruspex definitely has a points value, but we haven't revealed it yet. As such,we can't mention it yet, despite your obviously adorable face.

Q: This all looks great!!! *Oliver Twist-style pleading request* Adeptus sororitas faction feature/teaser?? cough cough 'obligatory plastic sisters comment' cough cough
A: The Faction Focus article is on it's way for sure.

Q: Love the articles!
Can we expect to see some info on the inquisition? Really want to know how they will be in 8th, like are they a full force on their own, or are they more of an add-on to other armies?
A: Indeed - there will be a focus article on the Imperial Agents for sure.

Q: I assume that point costs is kept separate from unit profiles in order to facilitate easier updates in the future, without invalidating the entire book, or are points supposed to be kept completely outside the codices, in a dedicated book?
A: Assuming is a dangerous past time, Marcin! Check out tomorrow's article on points for more.

Q: On the data sheet it doesn't say what an icon of flame does (unless I missed it), will there be a section of banners and such that all armies have access to?
A: Maybe! It wouldn't be a teaser if we just flat our told you everything, now would it?!

Q: I feel like the page is very busy. And I'm curious about the power rating.... Are the matched play points cost going to be a big list like in AoS's General's Handbook?
A: You will find out loads more in tomorrow's points article.

Q: Nice. So much info on one sheet. Loving it.
First look at melee weapons too. No range - so who gets to fight in cc?
A: More on that real soon.

Q: Will there be a points version of these data sheets for more balanced games?
A: Sounds like you need to tune in to tomorrow's article all about points!

Q: Nice. So the aspiring champion only knows smite? Or will there be another table / sheet for what powers he has access to ?
A: We haven't covered that yet; more on psychic powers coming later.

Q: But GW, where oh where will the points values be listed for matched play?
A: There's every chance that will be covered by tomorrow's "points and power levels" article...

Q: DANGEROUS ASSUMPTION ALERT

I'm assuming that psychic powers will be assigned from a book via keyword as I see no other reference there?
A: DANGEROUS ASSUMPTION DETECTED
Fear not, Assumptee... loads more information will be coming. Enlightenment is coming to these dark times.

Q: the lack of points scares the bejesus out of me... and i'm still not happy about losing templates!... going to need a lot more detail before i'm sold
A: What up, Leigh; Guildford represent! Points are still a thing, my fellow Baboon Samurai. Watch out for more on those tomorrow in the "points and power level" article.

Q: Power ranking besides points? Ohhh no.... "We finally really did it. You maniacs! You blew it up!"
A: There will be both! Tune in to the article all about points tomorrow.

Q: Rubrics! Huzzah! I have to wonder... what does the Icon of Flame do...?
A: Looks like you'll have to wait to find out that one!

Q: Awesome job! Any chance you'll go over the difference between Force weapons & Power weapons in a future article?
A: Of course we can. More articles planned in the future about melee weapons.

Q: Will these sheets be available in cards similar to Psychic Power cards?
A: No news on that right now. .

Q: What exactly is power rating? Is it the same thing as power level that you wrote later in the article?
A: All will be covered in tomorrow's article, fear not.

Q: If the Matched play points aren't going to be on the sheets where will they be? Will we need another book to view these?
A: Tune in tomorrow for the points and power level article and all will be revealed...

Q: Will there be another Datasheet for competitive game?
A: If you mean a points value, then looks like you need to tune into tomorrow's article entitled "points and power levels"....

Q: You tell us what... Death to the False Emperor does? **cheeky grin
A: Not yet...

Q: Will we have a look at the real points system before the release ?
A: Hey Quentin - sure thing - watch out tomorrow for an article all about points.

Q: Great article!!! Will you make an article about Renegades ?
A: You mean the Forge World models? We are focusing on the main Citadel factions for the articles.

Q: I thought invulnerable saves were gone?
A: Not at all - they are right there!

Q: Great stuff but why not call them "dataslates"
A: ...because they are on a sheet. We wanted to put them on slate but it made the rules too heavy...

Q: Can we get a look at Ork boyz?? Please!!
A: There are literally hundreds of units in the game and we wish we had the time to sho...*SMACK*.

"Give us da roolz,you puny 'umie! Don't make 'im ask again else I'll krump yer good"

Eldar Faction Focus
Q: If you say Banshees will be one of the fastest troops in the game then i really wonder what you guys have in store for Harlequins!
Can i expect my fellow clowns to be at the same speed or even faster?!
A: We shall but see!

Q: Are we going to be seeing Aspect Warriors in plastic any time soon, or are we still going to be relegated to Finecast?
A: We have no news on models right now, Andrew - if we ever do hear anything, you will see it here first!

Q: Wait, didn't Fulgrim kill an Avatar by putting it in a headlock and strangling it to death? If so, Guilliman shouldn't fear anything.
A: Besides... Guillian kills three Avatars every day before breakfast. For fun. With a butter knife.

Or so we heard.

Q: You guys better release a skitarii or cult mech (or maybe both) faction focus or the might of the Omnissiah shall make all your computer's unbearably slow.
A: We were wondering why the internet was dropping like a Guardsman in a trench. Now we know.

Q: I'm hoping the Wraithseer will get a datasheet and awesome rules.
A: Guys -with models like that, we are not sure about what is coming yet as FW haven't released information on their rules. As soon as we have it, we will be able to let you know.

Q: When we will have some love for the Custodian Guard?

Soon™, Really Soon™...?

And also, will we have this articles until release? Or will they continue after 8th is available?
A: There will indeed be some more articles coming Real, Real Soon!™

Q: I think Warhammer 40,000 is holding off on the Ork faction preview trying to build up the Waaagh...
A: Savin' da best fer later!

Q: Isn't Reece Robbins the Frontline gaming guy with them awesome Youtube batrep videos?
A: It is indeed him. He has the coolest voice!

Q: This information is completely wrong ... please see the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer for correct info on the Eldar. If you see anyone reading this info please report them to your Commisar!
A: That's how you get promoted around here, trooper!

Q1: Any chance of seeing a Necron profile soon?
A1: You mean.... like this?
Q2: Oh...
Games Workshop.
A2: I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "These guys are better than that, right?!".

But we're not. If there is a pun to be had, we will take it.

Q: Will Ynnari remain or have that army just been discarded?
A: You will 100% be able to use that army.

Is anyone else getting tired of the... Hmm... since I don't want to trigger the language filter, let's go with "wise" responses from GW to people's questions? The standout here being the Necron profile one, but there have been several examples in the recent FAQs, including the 8th edition announcements. Once or twice with obviously joking questions might be cute, but this has quickly become annoying to me.

Not really, I mean you have ONE guy responding to the same questions Ad Nauseum and to top it off most of the questions he can't actually answer. "What are the necron profiles?" Seriously? I think it is hilarious and appropriate for him to take it light heatedly and actually have fun engaging with the community. Otherwise all you would get are copy paste pre screened customer response messages like "Just wait and see!" or "I can't give you that info just yet, but hang tight!" over and over and over endlessly. At least this way he is giving the company some personality and taking some of the angst and doom and gloom away.

Like I said, this wasn't the only one that I've seen, and honestly it's not the worst of the ones that I've seen. Maybe it's just me, but I would expect a company, especially one like GW that hasn't exactly had the best reputation for some time, to treat it a little more professionally. And while I do agree that seeing the same "Sorry, can't answer that" copied and pasted over and over isn't the best set up, it would be better to use both the time and space on the questions you can answer, rather than giving sarcastic and in some cases borderline insulting responses. I'll try to find the one that really irked me earlier on, but I can't promise I'll be able to find it again, but I've seen enough to know that I'm not a fan of their sense of humor.

**Daedalus81**

Facebook is not their customer service page though.

**Ronin_eX**

Deadawake1347 wrote:
but I've seen enough to know that I'm not a fan of their sense of humor.

*looks at country flag*

I mean, isn't that why you lot dumped their tea out and told 'em to sod off in the first place?

Brits (and a good chunk of the Commonwealth) communicate largely in ritualized forms of sarcasm. It's where we Canucks got our love of passive aggressive post-its from!

The sarcasm is supposed to be endearing.

**Carnikang**

Ronin_eX wrote:
Deadawake1347 wrote:
but I've seen enough to know that I'm not a fan of their sense of humor.

*looks at country flag*

I mean, isn't that why you lot dumped their tea out and told 'em to sod off in the first place?

Brits (and a good chunk of the Commonwealth) communicate largely in ritualized forms of sarcasm. It's where we Canucks got our love of passive aggressive post-its from!

The sarcasm is supposed to be endearing.

I find it amusing as all get out. Don't know what part of Freedomland everyone else is from.

But to be on topic, I'm really excited to get my hands on some GSC and Tyranid info. Mentions here and there of Tyranid units, and assumptions are all I have so far.

**H.B.M.C.**

The Necron profile thing was pretty funny.

But...

GW wrote:Q: This all looks great!!! *Oliver Twist-style pleading request* Adeptus sororitas faction feature/teaser?? cough cough 'obligatory plastic sisters comment' cough cough
A: The Faction Focus article is on it's way for sure.

Why am I suddenly reminded of that South Park episode where they visited George R. R. Martin's house?

GW wrote:Q: On the data sheet it doesn't say what an icon of flame does (unless I missed it), will there be a section of banners and such that all armies have access to?
A: Maybe! It wouldn't be a teaser if we just flat our told you everything, now would it?!

But all the rules for a unit were meant to be on the sheet, right? You guys said that. You talked up your 'bespoke' credibility. Seems it changed.

GW wrote:Q: When we will have some love for the Custodian Guard?
A: Soon™, Really Soon™...?

And also, will we have this articles until release? Or will they continue after 8th is available?

A: There will indeed be some more articles coming Real, Real Soon!™

See? Even they're doing it now!

**spiralingcadaver**

Deadawake1347 wrote:
Is anyone else getting tired of the... Hmm... since I don't want to trigger the language filter, let's go with "wise" responses from GW to people's questions? The standout here being the Necron profile one, but there have been several examples in the recent FAQs, including the 8th edition announcements. Once or twice with obviously joking questions might be cute, but this has quickly become annoying to me.

I think some of them are pretty meh responses, I get that he's being cute and it's probably pretty tiring so, while it's not my thing, I can accept it. But, I don't really see why people are collecting them in these summaries: I don't really care for trawling through lame jokes for information... in the summary format.

**NinthMusketeer**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Deadawake1347 wrote:
Is anyone else getting tired of the... Hmm... since I don't want to trigger the language filter, let's go with "wise" responses from GW to people's questions? The standout here being the Necron profile one, but there have been several examples in the recent FAQs, including the 8th edition announcements. Once or twice with obviously joking questions might be cute, but this has quickly become annoying to me.
I think some of them are pretty meh responses, I get that he's being cute and it's probably pretty tiring so, while it's not my thing, I can accept it. But, I don't really see why people are collecting them in these summaries: I don't really care for trawling through lame jokes for information... in the summary format.

I don't mind it at all. It's still miles more polite than some of the questions he answers, let alone reads through. The sheer amount of butthurt thrown at him daily entitles a certain degree of humor I think.

**insaniak**

While some of the humour does fall a little flat, it's at least more interesting to read than answer after answer of 'Sorry, can't tell you that yet...' - which would be the less jokey alternative.

**tneva82**

ClockworkZion wrote:
I'm imagining Mandiblasters won't be as broken as they sound. Maybe something like something you use if the unit got to charge, and it gets the Mortal Wound profile on a to-hit roll of a 6.

Why people assume complains are always about balance? They could be useless and still bad change. Some people care about fluff and don't want it arbitarly changed without good reason. What good reason there is for this change?

**Daedalus81**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

GW wrote:Q: On the data sheet it doesn't say what an icon of flame does (unless I missed it), will there be a section of banners and such that all armies have access to?
A: Maybe! It wouldn't be a teaser if we just flat our told you everything, now would it?!
But all the rules for a unit were meant to be on the sheet, right? You guys said that. You talked up your 'bespoke' credibility. Seems it changed.

So you were upset that datasheets might have needless USRs on them and now that they don't have all the USRs on them you're upset?

All the bespoke rules are on the sheet. There's a distinguishable difference.

**tneva82**

Kap'n Krump wrote:

As for mandiiblasters, I think we should wait until we actually know how they work before screaming about how OP they are. Yes, they will do mortal wounds which ignore saves, but if that's enough to engage your rage, then buckle up, because there's going to be a lot of stuff that does.

Which is not good for the game. Just look at aos where mortal wound and horde spams are the thing. Stuff like banshees, tac marines, termies etc would suck at such a meta.

**Carnikang**

tneva82 wrote:
Kap'n Krump wrote:

As for mandiiblasters, I think we should wait until we actually know how they work before screaming about how OP they are. Yes, they will do mortal wounds which ignore saves, but if that's enough to engage your rage, then buckle up, because there's going to be a lot of stuff that does.

Which is not good for the game. Just look at aos where mortal wound and horde spams are the thing. Stuff like banshees, tac marines, termies etc would suck at such a meta.

I dunno what you're talking about.

Horde Spam? Mortal Wound spam? Outside of Skyrefyre and Tzeentch Arcanites, MW are a balancing factor against things like Stormcast Eternals, Sylvaneth and Beastclaw Raiders. And even then, damage output isn't the be all end all of the game, because most games/tournies play around objective based games. Banshees, Tac marines, and termies will be fine because anyone who has mortal wounds to dish out, will likely send them the way of a character, or something actually scary, like a Wraithknight/Riptide/Guilliman/Magnus, not joe-shmoe-boot-on-ground.

MW's are scary, but all this boo-hooing about them completely ignoring saves (aside from special bespoke saves alla Bastiladon 4+ Eternal Save) is all over-reaction. It's likely not going to be that bad, and if it is, the community now has the ear of the company that makes the game.

**rollawaythestone**

I am more annoyed with the constant begging for rules than the sarcastic humor, but I can see why it's becoming a bit grating. I think people are just tired of the slow rules drip and are ready for the release. This is a pretty unprecedented level of engagement with the community but they will definitely soon be testing peoples patience if they don't release this soon or provide a release date or something.

**Slayer-Fan123**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
spiralingcadaver wrote:
Deadawake1347 wrote:
Is anyone else getting tired of the... Hmm... since I don't want to trigger the language filter, let's go with "wise" responses from GW to people's questions? The standout here being the Necron profile one, but there have been several examples in the recent FAQs, including the 8th edition announcements. Once or twice with obviously joking questions might be cute, but this has quickly become annoying to me.
I think some of them are pretty meh responses, I get that he's being cute and it's probably pretty tiring so, while it's not my thing, I can accept it. But, I don't really see why people are collecting them in these summaries: I don't really care for trawling through lame jokes for information... in the summary format.
I don't mind it at all. It's still miles more polite than some of the questions he answers, let alone reads through. The sheer amount of butthurt thrown at him daily entitles a certain degree of humor I think.

Exactly. Half the questions on there aren't even questions but demands to see unit X and weapon Y.

I want to see the new Necrons as much as the next Necrons player but I'm patient enough to wait my turn in line.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

tneva82 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
I'm imagining Mandiblasters won't be as broken as they sound. Maybe something like something you use if the unit got to charge, and it gets the Mortal Wound profile on a to-hit roll of a 6.

Why people assume complains are always about balance? They could be useless and still bad change. Some people care about fluff and don't want it arbitarly changed without good reason. What good reason there is for this change?

Fluff says Mandiblasters are good vs Organic targets (and honestly I can see miniature plasma explosions being good against other targets) and nothing implies they can hit vehicles yet. If they can, who cares?

**Red__Thirst**

I'm patiently waiting for the Blood Angels teaser if they do one. We shall see.

For now, I'll be following along and working on y models patiently while I await the arrival of 8th. I'm looking forward to giving it a try.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

**MajorWesJanson**

MaxT wrote:
Christ over reaction much. Peeps are acting like scorpions auto inflict 30 Mortal wounds if you deploy them on the table.

Manti blasters may be something like "each unit of scorpions rolls 3D6 at the start of the fight phase. Inflict a mortal wound for each 6 rolled". Useful certainly but not carving through units of Titans either.

I know that some of my annoyance is that Eldar are seeming to get extremely strong weapon powers given to them excessively compared to all other factions. 7th had them getting destroyer weapons on infantry models and heavy weapons on every single troop bike. Now they seem to be getting the ability to ignore all normal and invulnerable saves on a secondary weapon of a unit never noted before as being specialized at anti armored targets.

Eldar have been given such favoritism that I and many other local players find facing an eldar army to be an unfun waste of time. We have been mostly excited about all the changes, but making eldar ridiculous yet another edition in a row puts a major shadow over that.

**Medicinal Carrots**

tneva82 wrote:
And if you want more realistic whatabout terminator armour_ The armour that\s supposed to be super tough being able to survive being stomped by a titan. Mandiblaster has never been described as effortlessly punching through even that.

A block of steel flat on the earth could survive a semi being dropped on it without much damage, but a soda can full of thermite will melt through it easily. Just because something can withstand a lot of crushing force doesn't mean it can survive something very hot, like a stream of metal rapidly being ionized (turned to plasma).

**Kanluwen**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
MaxT wrote:
Christ over reaction much. Peeps are acting like scorpions auto inflict 30 Mortal wounds if you deploy them on the table.

Manti blasters may be something like "each unit of scorpions rolls 3D6 at the start of the fight phase. Inflict a mortal wound for each 6 rolled". Useful certainly but not carving through units of Titans either.

I know that some of my annoyance is that Eldar are seeming to get extremely strong weapon powers given to them excessively compared to all other factions. 7th had them getting destroyer weapons on infantry models and heavy weapons on every single troop bike. Now they seem to be getting the ability to ignore all normal and invulnerable saves on a secondary weapon of a unit never noted before as being specialized at anti armored targets.

Eldar have been given such favoritism that I and many other local players find facing an eldar army to be an unfun waste of time. We have been mostly excited about all the changes, but making eldar ridiculous yet another edition in a row puts a major shadow over that.

The "Faction Focus" articles haven't given us a whole hell of a lot of actual crunch to look through. Just some vagueries.

**Inevitable_Faith**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
MaxT wrote:
Christ over reaction much. Peeps are acting like scorpions auto inflict 30 Mortal wounds if you deploy them on the table.

Manti blasters may be something like "each unit of scorpions rolls 3D6 at the start of the fight phase. Inflict a mortal wound for each 6 rolled". Useful certainly but not carving through units of Titans either.

I know that some of my annoyance is that Eldar are seeming to get extremely strong weapon powers given to them excessively compared to all other factions. 7th had them getting destroyer weapons on infantry models and heavy weapons on every single troop bike. Now they seem to be getting the ability to ignore all normal and invulnerable saves on a secondary weapon of a unit never noted before as being specialized at anti armored targets.

Eldar have been given such favoritism that I and many other local players find facing an eldar army to be an unfun waste of time. We have been mostly excited about all the changes, but making eldar ridiculous yet another edition in a row puts a major shadow over that.

I think people are going a bit too crazy on this "Eldar OP in 8th, the sky is falling" train. Note that in the current edition it's not the entire Eldar codex that's OP, it's a few select units (we all know who they are). We haven't seen the datatslates or points costs for those units yet so it's certainly premature to start panicking. What we've seen in the faction focus is that Banshees got some love and a movement boost as well as the ability to strike first in combat (probably under some prerequisite or with a tradeoff? we don't know yet) but I think we'd be hard pressed to say banshees were OP in any way this edition. Perhaps these changes will simply make them playable as opposed to a shelved unit. As for the Striking scorpions, while we can't say whether their mandiblasters will be OP or not I can at least agree with others that it does seem like a strange move to make them cause MW, it just doesn't fit the role of the scorpion well at all. In my experiences playing scorpions they were a great anti-horde unit with only the exarch with claw being the one you'd throw at characters or elite infantry. I'm fine with the current rules we have for mandiblasters and would have liked to see them simply port over into this edition or just give them a weapon profile and add them as a bonus attack that scorpions can make in CC.

What has me confused is what people saw in the article (barring the striking scorpions as they've been covered above) that has them so triggered. The article acknowledged that the WK, aspect hosted warp spiders and scatbikes were problem units this edition so I would take that as good news as they have said on numerous occasions they're seeking to close those power gaps with 8th. The WK may be getting a much needed price hike or even some nerfs (I'd imagine a combination of both) and since formations are gone the warp spiders got an indirect nerf but perhaps will see either a points hike or rules changes as well (they'd have to since initiative no longer exists). As for scatbikes I sadly don't see them taking away the ability to equip every bike with a heavy weapon since three of each weapon are in the box but hopefully they've found a way to tone down that ridiculous unit build. Even as an Eldar bike list player when they made the 7th ed. codex I looked at that unit and said "naww, this is BS, I'm sticking to one heavy weapon per three bikes".

The thing to remember is that these faction articles are first and foremost hype pieces written to make the faction sound awesome. They won't outwardly say they botched the balance and that certain units suck or are OP, we have to read between the lines here, they called out certain units as being OP, that to me says those units will be addressed appropriately and the others will be scaled to be competitive with the rest of 8th edition. We haven't seen enough at all yet to start calling any faction OP so I think the doom and gloom "Eldar are going to ruin 8th edition" posts need to stop. By all means mandiblaster mortal wounds from a fluff perspective is worth discussing, I don't think they need to cause MW either but for some reason now they do, but to start calling the scorpion OP is premature, we just don't know enough yet. I know hyper competitive Eldar lists have left a bad taste in a lot of players mouths but please don't let the 7th edition dex cause you to hate the 8th edition version before it's out. 7th edition Tau with spammed riptides and stacking formation/markerlight bonuses have completely soured me against them but I'm hopeful that 8th will bring a lot of factions in-line and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt here to the playtesters that pitting my Dark Eldar against Tau won't be an exercise in how quickly I can re-pack my models like it is currently.

**Captain Brown**

Inevitable_Faith wrote:

...

What has me confused is what people saw in the article (barring the striking scorpions as they've been covered above) that has them so triggered. The article acknowledged that the WK, aspect hosted warp spiders and scatbikes were problem units this edition so I would take that as good news as they have said on numerous occasions they're seeking to close those power gaps with 8th. The WK may be getting a much needed price hike or even some nerfs (I'd imagine a combination of both) and since formations are gone the warp spiders got an indirect nerf but perhaps will see either a points hike or rules changes as well (they'd have to since initiative no longer exists). As for scatbikes I sadly don't see them taking away the ability to equip every bike with a heavy weapon since three of each weapon are in the box but hopefully they've found a way to tone down that ridiculous unit build. Even as an Eldar bike list player when they made the 7th ed. codex I looked at that unit and said "naww, this is BS, I'm sticking to one heavy weapon per three bikes".

The thing to remember is that these faction articles are first and foremost hype pieces written to make the faction sound awesome.
...

Well said Inevitable_Faith.

CB

PS: My Eldar Jetbike unit only has one heavy weapon in the unit of 5.

**Lobokai**

I enjoy GW FB guy. I hope they give his RL name to an in game character at some point

**casvalremdeikun**

The thing is, what is probably going to happen is that other units that aren't the problem children are going to be increased in power to the level of the broken stuff. It is exactly what happened between the 6E codex and the 7E codex.

**tneva82**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Fluff says Mandiblasters are good vs Organic targets (and honestly I can see miniature plasma explosions being good against other targets) and nothing implies they can hit vehicles yet. If they can, who cares?

You said it yourself. ORGANIC. How is terminator armour organic? Land raider? Warhound? Warlord?

And if you don't care about fluff you shouldn't have problem with say assault marines getting bolt pistols that shoot 2d6 wound lascannon equilavents or grots that will wreck even warlord titan in close combat in one round with killing power to spare. Both can be made to be anything from too weak to balanced just right to overpowerful. And by rewriting fluff they are even fluffy! So by your logic you should have no problem with either of those two changes?

**H.B.M.C.**

Daedalus81 wrote:
So you were upset that datasheets might have needless USRs on them and now that they don't have all the USRs on them you're upset?

Where did I say I was upset?

**Inevitable_Faith**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
The thing is, what is probably going to happen is that other units that aren't the problem children are going to be increased in power to the level of the broken stuff. It is exactly what happened between the 6E codex and the 7E codex.

I feel this is a very pessimistic way of predicting this. One big difference between the 6th/7th era and now is that GW seems to be trying very hard to put their company and their game in a new light. This is a major shakeup of the game and they're resetting all factions simultaneously. I have no evidence to support my stance here but I feel were going to get a much more balanced game than we currently have at the very least. And keep in mind when 7th released what were the initial codexes that came out? DE, orks and blood angels, all three are rated very poorly on the power curve right now, it wasn't till the necron dex came out that their design philosophy changed and we got some absolutely powerhouse units and formations. I don't think it's exactly fair to say that there was an initial big power jump going from 6th to 7th.

**theocracity**

tneva82 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Fluff says Mandiblasters are good vs Organic targets (and honestly I can see miniature plasma explosions being good against other targets) and nothing implies they can hit vehicles yet. If they can, who cares?

You said it yourself. ORGANIC. How is terminator armour organic? Land raider? Warhound? Warlord?

And if you don't care about fluff you shouldn't have problem with say assault marines getting bolt pistols that shoot 2d6 wound lascannon equilavents or grots that will wreck even warlord titan in close combat in one round with killing power to spare. Both can be made to be anything from too weak to balanced just right to overpowerful. And by rewriting fluff they are even fluffy! So by your logic you should have no problem with either of those two changes?

Can we please not do this again?

**Megaknob**

MaxT wrote:
Christ over reaction much. Peeps are acting like scorpions auto inflict 30 Mortal wounds if you deploy them on the table.

Manti blasters may be something like "each unit of scorpions rolls 3D6 at the start of the fight phase. Inflict a mortal wound for each 6 rolled". Useful certainly but not carving through units of Titans either.

if its not space marine and its getting some form of boost, the game is automatically broken.

you are also not allowed to be optimistic about CC in this thread, any optimism will be beaten out of you cyberly by a shooty army power gamer math hammer guy.

**Coyote81**

Megaknob wrote:
MaxT wrote:
Christ over reaction much. Peeps are acting like scorpions auto inflict 30 Mortal wounds if you deploy them on the table.

Manti blasters may be something like "each unit of scorpions rolls 3D6 at the start of the fight phase. Inflict a mortal wound for each 6 rolled". Useful certainly but not carving through units of Titans either.

if its not space marine and its getting some form of boost, the game is automatically broken.

you are also not allowed to be optimistic about CC in this thread, any optimism will be beaten out of you cyberly by a shooty army power gamer math hammer guy.

I'm optimistic about transports (especially if they are anything like the new dwarven ones in AoS), greatly reducing the damage you suffer when a vehicle is destroyed is great. Harder to kill transports? Great! My Inquisition army in please. Suffer no Xenos to live. Cut them down, purge them with Flame.